The fundamental rationale of atheism is that you do not know/cannot prove. It's similar to agnosticism but not the same.
Anybody can come up with a story of a mysterious stranger who will save everyone hundreds of years before they arrive. It's done all the time. The stories of heroes and larger that life men capable of impossible feats is as old as man itself.
Science and evolution are not false proof of claims. They are the best proof we have. There is zero proof of God. The only proof we have are books that are thousands of years old that claim he is real and claim people have seen him yet only in very small pockets of the world to very few people. Science and evolution are based off real-world observations anyone in the world can make at any time.
I think it's super convenient that God and angels were very active in visiting people in ancient times before cameras/microphones were invented. For someone who took such an active role for the first 4,000 years (I think the bible chronologically dictates the world only existed around 6,000 years total?) has been totally absent the last 2,000.
The burden of proof lies on creationists because extraordinary claims require evidence. Atheists make no claims other than "God is not real because there is no evidence beyond books that say he is real and in themselves justify their truths as because god said so" This is a logical fallacy that dates back to the era of Aristotle. Hundreds of years before Christ came to be.
Once again, you'd be hard pressed to find an atheist that would deny the existence of God if an angel came down before them and said "God is real, here is a display of his power" but that never happens.
Your claim that God is perfect is problematic to me. The reason why is because if he is perfect, why are so many of his creations imperfect? Are vestigial traits part of some sort of planned obsolescence? What about things like the laryngeal nerve? Did he just fuck up and decide "oops, well, too late to fix it now?" What about carbon dating and other sciences that prove the Earth is way older than the bible claims it is? Stories like Noah's arc which are literally impossible? The fact that all humans descended from 2 humans which makes us all inbred despite the fact we know inbreeding leads to inevitable destruction?
Even if you say the bible is all false there is too much you cannot account for.
When else has life come from non-life
To our knowledge, it only occurs on our planet. Of what we can observe. What we can observe is very tiny in comparison to the rest of the universe. To say life does not exist elsewhere is foolish as elsewhere is too large to even comprehend. What if we discover life and it does not believe in your God?
When else has something been created from nothing
Atheists do not generally believe this, and if they do, tell them they are very stupid atheists. Generally, we believe that by matter of sheer cosmic accident, all the right conditions were met for life to begin. Atoms came together to form molecules which came together in just the right way for bacteria to form which over billions of years evolved through many forms of natural selection to become a massive variety of species. Evidence for this is as obvious as looking at why their are whites and why there are niggers. Melanin protects from the sun's harmful radiation. Niggers have high melanin. Niggers come from areas that are exposed to more sun.
Look at the human body. There is no way that can happen by accident.
Because it didn't. It happened through many billions of years of natural selection. In which the best traits of survival led to creatures breeding genes more suited to survival. What happened by accident were single celled organisms which live, consume, and die by the billions (maybe even trillions) on a daily basis. They have no complex functions. In the case of humans, single celled organisms formed groups, then systems, then organs, over billions of generations to become what a human is today. Much the same way humans went from hunter gatherers to industrial nations in thousands of years. Microscopic vs macroscopic.
Returning again to the claim "When has something been created from nothing." Given the cyclical nature of life/death, I'd say it's reasonable to believe most atheists believe everything was always here and always will be here. Cycling between states of life and death. But also, this logic can be applied backwards to your God. What created him? Did he create himself? Is there a God God? If so, what created it? Is there a God God God? How far does it go?
Belief in religion is just that, belief. It requires you accept stories you are told and believe them.
I know that nothing I say will likely convince you of my view point or convert you. People who are set in their ways are set in their ways. But I'd just like to offer/share the view point of most atheists. Atheism is more of a belief on skepticism due to lack of proof.
I'd like to end on a final note that I've noticed some Theists don't seem to understand. Atheists do not read evolutionary/scientific/atheist texts and believe in them as if they are flawless masterworks like bibles/religious texts. We regularly disagree with each other and have constant debates. I found this was one really difficult boundary to break with my own family who genuinely believed I followed atheist texts the same way they follow the bible.
throwawayaccount 0 points 2.9 years ago
The fundamental rationale of atheism is that you do not know/cannot prove. It's similar to agnosticism but not the same.
Anybody can come up with a story of a mysterious stranger who will save everyone hundreds of years before they arrive. It's done all the time. The stories of heroes and larger that life men capable of impossible feats is as old as man itself.
Science and evolution are not false proof of claims. They are the best proof we have. There is zero proof of God. The only proof we have are books that are thousands of years old that claim he is real and claim people have seen him yet only in very small pockets of the world to very few people. Science and evolution are based off real-world observations anyone in the world can make at any time.
I think it's super convenient that God and angels were very active in visiting people in ancient times before cameras/microphones were invented. For someone who took such an active role for the first 4,000 years (I think the bible chronologically dictates the world only existed around 6,000 years total?) has been totally absent the last 2,000.
The burden of proof lies on creationists because extraordinary claims require evidence. Atheists make no claims other than "God is not real because there is no evidence beyond books that say he is real and in themselves justify their truths as because god said so"
This is a logical fallacy that dates back to the era of Aristotle. Hundreds of years before Christ came to be.
Once again, you'd be hard pressed to find an atheist that would deny the existence of God if an angel came down before them and said "God is real, here is a display of his power" but that never happens.
Your claim that God is perfect is problematic to me. The reason why is because if he is perfect, why are so many of his creations imperfect? Are vestigial traits part of some sort of planned obsolescence? What about things like the laryngeal nerve? Did he just fuck up and decide "oops, well, too late to fix it now?" What about carbon dating and other sciences that prove the Earth is way older than the bible claims it is?
Stories like Noah's arc which are literally impossible?
The fact that all humans descended from 2 humans which makes us all inbred despite the fact we know inbreeding leads to inevitable destruction?
Even if you say the bible is all false there is too much you cannot account for.
What happened by accident were single celled organisms which live, consume, and die by the billions (maybe even trillions) on a daily basis. They have no complex functions. In the case of humans, single celled organisms formed groups, then systems, then organs, over billions of generations to become what a human is today. Much the same way humans went from hunter gatherers to industrial nations in thousands of years. Microscopic vs macroscopic.
Returning again to the claim "When has something been created from nothing."
Given the cyclical nature of life/death, I'd say it's reasonable to believe most atheists believe everything was always here and always will be here. Cycling between states of life and death. But also, this logic can be applied backwards to your God. What created him? Did he create himself? Is there a God God? If so, what created it? Is there a God God God? How far does it go?
Belief in religion is just that, belief. It requires you accept stories you are told and believe them.
I know that nothing I say will likely convince you of my view point or convert you. People who are set in their ways are set in their ways.
But I'd just like to offer/share the view point of most atheists. Atheism is more of a belief on skepticism due to lack of proof.
I'd like to end on a final note that I've noticed some Theists don't seem to understand. Atheists do not read evolutionary/scientific/atheist texts and believe in them as if they are flawless masterworks like bibles/religious texts. We regularly disagree with each other and have constant debates. I found this was one really difficult boundary to break with my own family who genuinely believed I followed atheist texts the same way they follow the bible.