No. The person being arrested is not the person that gets to decide if the RAS is reasonable.
Correct, but you still have to be given it. If you ask "why have I been detained" and the officer refuses to answer, from that moment on the detainment has to be treated as unlawful by the courts when operating from your perspective. Which means all resisting arrest charges and obstruction charges have to be dropped. You can't unlawfully resist an unlawful arrest or detainment.
That's why I brought up the rubber gun scenario. Just as you had no way of knowing that your life was not in danger, you also have no way of knowing that the detainment or arrest is lawful. As such you have to assume otherwise.
I didn't say the officers would shoot you for not rolling down the window. Don't strawman me! If you refuse to cooperate after being pulled over by not rolling your windows down, they will break your windows.
I never said don't roll your widows down, I said only roll them down far enough to given them your ID and to be able to talk to them. Don't accuse someone of strawmanning while doing so yourself. The reason I brought that up is to show reasonability. No normal reasonable cop will try to kill you for having a window rolled partly down, or not identifying until being given a reason for detainment, or even resisting an unlawful arrest through non-lethal means. If at any of these points a cop tries to kill you, capitulating is pointless as they are not doing it "for their safety" they are doing it because they are freak that wants you dead.
Such officers are thankfully rare. Most of the fuckups won't go past battery.
I never said most officers will shoot you for resisting arrest. Stop it with these stupid strawman barfing. They will shoot you for actively resisting an arrest.
Literally your last comment. Fuck off. Before you say, "I was only talking about some officers" No you never clarified that. Fuck off.
s23erdctfvyg 0 points 1 year ago
Well, you're definitely a cop, or were one.
That's why I brought up the rubber gun scenario. Just as you had no way of knowing that your life was not in danger, you also have no way of knowing that the detainment or arrest is lawful. As such you have to assume otherwise.
Don't accuse someone of strawmanning while doing so yourself. The reason I brought that up is to show reasonability. No normal reasonable cop will try to kill you for having a window rolled partly down, or not identifying until being given a reason for detainment, or even resisting an unlawful arrest through non-lethal means. If at any of these points a cop tries to kill you, capitulating is pointless as they are not doing it "for their safety" they are doing it because they are freak that wants you dead.
Such officers are thankfully rare. Most of the fuckups won't go past battery.
They will shoot you for actively resisting an arrest.