Like most exercices, if you go over the 6-12 rep range there's going to be less and less benefit to your overall strength development. The best way to increase your push up reps is to do push ups with a weight vest, packing on for example 30 lbs extra on top of your body weight which will drastically reduce how many reps you can do but increase your strength.
As far as arm size goes, push ups are definitely not the top exercice for muscle mass. You want big arms, then you need dedicated bicep and tricep exercices where you push yourself to failure in each set (aka arm day). Ever since the scamdemic, I've procured a bench and a lot of dumbbells, which has helped me immensely. Doing only bodyweight exercices (like push ups and pull ups) will not turn you into a big shredded guy unless you add extra weight, with either a weight belt, weight vest, or etc.
For biceps, I do standing dumbbell curls with very strict form with the highest possible weight where I can do at least 4 sets of 6 reps. To hit the other parts of the bicep muscle and ensure maximum muscle mass, I also do incline bicep curls on the bench (3 sets of 6 reps minimum with heaviest weight possible) and standing hammer curls to hit the last of 3 muscles in the bicep group, also 3 sets of 6 with the heaviest weight possible.
Triceps I also do 4 sets of at least 6 reps for each of the 3 tricep muscles, with dumbbell skullcrushers, dumbbell close grip bench press, and dumbbell tricep kickbacks.
This is just my personal advice and how I got reasonably big arms. Depending on the equipment you have access to, you can do an array of different exercices to get big arms, although you should remember that you need multiple exercices for each muscle in the arms. Very important also, is to stay in the 6 to 12 rep range. You can go slightly outside of said range in some situations (like trying to bench a new heavy ass weight I might do 4 sets of 3 reps or tricep skullcrushers which are a very difficult exercice to progress I'll get to 4 sets of 16 before going up in weight) but over 20 reps of anything in the vast majority of exercices is useless.
Another thing that is important is that arm day is just one part of a good workout routine, and if you move to solid workouts instead of light general exercices to stay in shape, you should focus on pretty much every muscle group in your body (legs, abs, back, traps, chest and etc) so you don't end up looking like a cartoon character with big arms and small everything else.
That's not really what it says tho, I was surprised when I saw the name because I got that info from Brad Shoenfeld himself on some other social media (I think Instagram):
"Both HL and LL conditions produced significant increases in thickness of the elbow flexors (5.3 vs. 8.6%, respectively), elbow extensors (6.0 vs. 5.2%, respectively), and quadriceps femoris (9.3 vs. 9.5%, respectively), with no significant differences noted between groups. Improvements in back squat strength were significantly greater for HL compared with LL (19.6 vs. 8.8%, respectively), and there was a trend for greater increases in 1 repetition maximum (1RM) bench press (6.5 vs. 2.0%, respectively)."
The implication is that there are benefits to doing both. People like John Meadows train his clients with that kind of variety as well.
If you wanna bench, squat, DL hundreds of pounds, or curl dumbbells that weigh over 30 lbs, you are not going to get there by doing dozens of reps. And technically, when it comes to muscle mass, high rep counts may be a bit better (not for strength though) but by lifting heavy weights and pushing yourself to failure you'll be able to progress to higher weights with which you can do more reps anyway. 6-12 is the golden range for a reason, as it offers the best balance between strength and muscle mass.
Are those sets structure in any way? Back to back, twice a week?
I'm using a weighted vest to do push-ups, sometimes I do the first set with my feet elevated on a dictionary, allows me to keep the rep range reasonable (10-25). If you're doing 60 push-ups in one go, I think you should start by spreading it throughout the day, three sets of 20s made harder in some fashion (new grip/new weight/elevated feet etc). By increasing the frequency of what you already do you inhibit some muscle resorption (myostatin).
It's also possible that you're at a point where push-ups are basically just a cardio exercise for you and you need to turn to more specialized, isolating equipment.
One last thing: Not knowing what you look like, I'm inclined to consider that you have some sort of body dysphoria and you're actually a maxed-out beast.
Start with 2 or 3 sets of 6-8 reps at a weight where you're 2-3 reps from failure on each set. Progress with that same weight up to 8-10 and then 10-12 reps in future sessions. Then, once you work your way up to slightly higher reps, bump up the weight 5-10lbs and go back to 6-8 reps. Repeat.
If you want to really dial in your health and nutrition, look into a focused diet free of PUFAs that focuses on metabolism. The RayPeatForum is a good place to look, a more consumer-friendly option is the thermo diet by Umzu. Personally, I prefer lower body fat than you have. You still look solid, more muscle would definitely be accentuated well by a drop in some fat.
On top of that, dry fasting is excellent for body maintenance and healing, I'm glad I caught the trend early. Dr. Sergei Filinov from Russia is the leading expert on the topic, he has a book out, I have a translated copy I can share if anyone is interested. I also found a guy on Instagram that is very knowledgeable on the topic, his name is FastingWithTrevor.
If anyone wants me to make a separate post on health, I can.
What's with the tight pants? Greek Yogurt is good, but so is cottage cheese which has more protein. Eating hundreds of grams of protein is a big lie promoted by the supplement companies. All that extra protein being consumed goes down the toilet. At most, 0.8 grams/per lb bodyweight. Probably not even that much.
Makes me feel fucking sexy. I've been working on glutes a bit more intensely lately and I like showing up to places having a better ass than everybody and their girlfriend and their moms.
Greek Yogurt is good, but so is cottage cheese which has more protein.
The main reason I spent most of my life at 140lbs is because of very low tolerance to disgust, cottage cheese is way beyond my disgust threshold ;)
Eating hundreds of grams of protein is a big lie promoted by the supplement companies.
Never heard that, just trying to stick to the "0.5-1.5g of protein per kg of body weight every 5-6 hour" by adding a protein shake to everything. If it's per lbs or kg, I'm never sure but yeah, somewhere between 70-90g per day in my case. My girlfriend claims she can tell my how my fart smells when I'm over-proteinated.
"Makes me feel fucking sexy. I've been working on glutes a bit more intensely lately and I like showing up to places having a better ass than everybody and their girlfriend and their moms."
That's homosexual. This is what happens when people get carried away with fitness. They begin to worship the body. St. Paul warns about this in Romans. God gives up to shameful affections those that worship the creature more than the creator.
I got back into fitness, but many people involved in fitness are disgusting. The following link has good info about the fitness industry and all the deceptions and lies. https://nattyornot.com/archives/
Oof. First thing that stands out is your advocacy of BCAAs... if you should take any of those fad drinks it should be EAAs to at least get all the AAs necessary for muscle protein synthesis. BCAA by themselves do accomplish absolutely nothing other than feeding you those fake sugars to make it palatable.
Creatine effect on kidney
Unless you already have severe kidney issues, that's bullshit. Everybody and their grandmother should be on creatine monohydrate.
avoid carbs as much as possible unless you're underweight... they're just a treat.
More like, unless you're a fat fuck you shouldn't go out of your way to avoid them. Carbs have a protein-sparing property by being more readily-available energy.
reduce your sets to 6 reps
If I had incredibly weak joints then I guess it's better than nothing. Otherwise it's been proven that all rep-ranges have benefits up to 30 reps, perfect form is obviously implied. Unless you have access to infinitely fine-grained weights, 6 reps is unacceptably limiting.
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Nothing to do with the push ups.
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last gains i made were when i finally bought a pull up bar and went from 1 pull up to 8 in a few months. everything else is just platued.
some exercises i could use heavier weights but push ups for example ive been stuck at 40-60 for idk ten years.
my arms, despite working out a lot and eating a lot of protein are not particularly large.
any tips?
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curls, pulls (like starting lawn mower) pull ups (forward and backward hands), push ups, butterflies, and lateral arm raises.
[ + ] UndercoverGoyim
[ - ] UndercoverGoyim 2 points 3.8 yearsJul 9, 2021 11:45:47 ago (+2/-0)*
As far as arm size goes, push ups are definitely not the top exercice for muscle mass. You want big arms, then you need dedicated bicep and tricep exercices where you push yourself to failure in each set (aka arm day). Ever since the scamdemic, I've procured a bench and a lot of dumbbells, which has helped me immensely. Doing only bodyweight exercices (like push ups and pull ups) will not turn you into a big shredded guy unless you add extra weight, with either a weight belt, weight vest, or etc.
For biceps, I do standing dumbbell curls with very strict form with the highest possible weight where I can do at least 4 sets of 6 reps. To hit the other parts of the bicep muscle and ensure maximum muscle mass, I also do incline bicep curls on the bench (3 sets of 6 reps minimum with heaviest weight possible) and standing hammer curls to hit the last of 3 muscles in the bicep group, also 3 sets of 6 with the heaviest weight possible.
Triceps I also do 4 sets of at least 6 reps for each of the 3 tricep muscles, with dumbbell skullcrushers, dumbbell close grip bench press, and dumbbell tricep kickbacks.
This is just my personal advice and how I got reasonably big arms. Depending on the equipment you have access to, you can do an array of different exercices to get big arms, although you should remember that you need multiple exercices for each muscle in the arms. Very important also, is to stay in the 6 to 12 rep range. You can go slightly outside of said range in some situations (like trying to bench a new heavy ass weight I might do 4 sets of 3 reps or tricep skullcrushers which are a very difficult exercice to progress I'll get to 4 sets of 16 before going up in weight) but over 20 reps of anything in the vast majority of exercices is useless.
Another thing that is important is that arm day is just one part of a good workout routine, and if you move to solid workouts instead of light general exercices to stay in shape, you should focus on pretty much every muscle group in your body (legs, abs, back, traps, chest and etc) so you don't end up looking like a cartoon character with big arms and small everything else.
[ + ] thegreenknight
[ - ] thegreenknight 1 point 3.8 yearsJul 9, 2021 19:50:34 ago (+1/-0)
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25853914/
Usually a bit more strenth sooner for lower reps but not much.
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[ - ] voatisajewishheaven 1 point 3.8 yearsJul 9, 2021 19:59:17 ago (+1/-0)
"Both HL and LL conditions produced significant increases in thickness of the elbow flexors (5.3 vs. 8.6%, respectively), elbow extensors (6.0 vs. 5.2%, respectively), and quadriceps femoris (9.3 vs. 9.5%, respectively), with no significant differences noted between groups. Improvements in back squat strength were significantly greater for HL compared with LL (19.6 vs. 8.8%, respectively), and there was a trend for greater increases in 1 repetition maximum (1RM) bench press (6.5 vs. 2.0%, respectively)."
The implication is that there are benefits to doing both. People like John Meadows train his clients with that kind of variety as well.
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[ + ] voatisajewishheaven
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I'm using a weighted vest to do push-ups, sometimes I do the first set with my feet elevated on a dictionary, allows me to keep the rep range reasonable (10-25). If you're doing 60 push-ups in one go, I think you should start by spreading it throughout the day, three sets of 20s made harder in some fashion (new grip/new weight/elevated feet etc). By increasing the frequency of what you already do you inhibit some muscle resorption (myostatin).
It's also possible that you're at a point where push-ups are basically just a cardio exercise for you and you need to turn to more specialized, isolating equipment.
One last thing: Not knowing what you look like, I'm inclined to consider that you have some sort of body dysphoria and you're actually a maxed-out beast.
[ + ] Rayden
[ - ] Rayden 1 point 3.8 yearsJul 9, 2021 21:05:48 ago (+1/-0)
oh also yeah im actually mostly satisfied with my body even though ive put on a couple pounds. im still flexible and jog just as good so whatever.
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Me too
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If you want to really dial in your health and nutrition, look into a focused diet free of PUFAs that focuses on metabolism. The RayPeatForum is a good place to look, a more consumer-friendly option is the thermo diet by Umzu. Personally, I prefer lower body fat than you have. You still look solid, more muscle would definitely be accentuated well by a drop in some fat.
On top of that, dry fasting is excellent for body maintenance and healing, I'm glad I caught the trend early. Dr. Sergei Filinov from Russia is the leading expert on the topic, he has a book out, I have a translated copy I can share if anyone is interested. I also found a guy on Instagram that is very knowledgeable on the topic, his name is FastingWithTrevor.
If anyone wants me to make a separate post on health, I can.
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Makes me feel fucking sexy. I've been working on glutes a bit more intensely lately and I like showing up to places having a better ass than everybody and their girlfriend and their moms.
The main reason I spent most of my life at 140lbs is because of very low tolerance to disgust, cottage cheese is way beyond my disgust threshold ;)
Never heard that, just trying to stick to the "0.5-1.5g of protein per kg of body weight every 5-6 hour" by adding a protein shake to everything. If it's per lbs or kg, I'm never sure but yeah, somewhere between 70-90g per day in my case. My girlfriend claims she can tell my how my fart smells when I'm over-proteinated.
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That's homosexual. This is what happens when people get carried away with fitness. They begin to worship the body. St. Paul warns about this in Romans. God gives up to shameful affections those that worship the creature more than the creator.
I got back into fitness, but many people involved in fitness are disgusting. The following link has good info about the fitness industry and all the deceptions and lies. https://nattyornot.com/archives/
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Oof. First thing that stands out is your advocacy of BCAAs... if you should take any of those fad drinks it should be EAAs to at least get all the AAs necessary for muscle protein synthesis. BCAA by themselves do accomplish absolutely nothing other than feeding you those fake sugars to make it palatable.
Unless you already have severe kidney issues, that's bullshit. Everybody and their grandmother should be on creatine monohydrate.
More like, unless you're a fat fuck you shouldn't go out of your way to avoid them. Carbs have a protein-sparing property by being more readily-available energy.
If I had incredibly weak joints then I guess it's better than nothing. Otherwise it's been proven that all rep-ranges have benefits up to 30 reps, perfect form is obviously implied. Unless you have access to infinitely fine-grained weights, 6 reps is unacceptably limiting.