Been happening well before 08. You can see it in the early 90s, and probably even earlier than that. I have a truck, built in 1990, sold 91, with a key part of the manual transmission being a little plastic nubbin, that just can not be replaced. That little nubbin breaking off has fully disabled the ability to shift gears, completely ruining the function of the entire vehicle. Takes an entire new transmission replacement to fix, because of ONE tiny little plastic nubbin.
Why havent they ever undercoated frames while they are on the factory floor, it would take no time, and be extremely cheap to do at that stage of manufacturing, and if done right, would practically eliminate all frame rusting issues. No fancy alloys or designs required, just an extra step, maybe adding one day to the process, maybe an extra hundred dollars on to new car costs.
But it would stop your vehicles from inevitably rusting out and needing replacement.
Planned obsolescence has been a thing for a very long time. A very very jewish thing. Makes a worse product, with a worse user experience, that doesnt last as long and hurts the environment more, but they make more money forcing your stuff to break every other year.
People that go along with planned obsolescence and design things with it in mind, should be disemboweled in the town square.
[ - ] MrPancake 1 point 3.7 yearsSep 1, 2021 12:28:00 ago (+1/-0)
Your little "nubbin" was what 3D printing was "suppose" to fix. Remember all those videos about being able to print replacement parts that were no longer available. So much for that I guess.
You can theoretically do it. It just takes a somewhat beefy/expensive setup to print parts. And if you aren't printing many parts, it's kinda worthless.
Sounds right, but i stopped taking it apart after my research revealed i would never find a replacement part for it.
Yea the transmission is fine besides that part, but without that part, its unusable, so it might as well be the whole transmission since that part is apparently impossible to replace.
I think theres a possibility if i got an aftermarket shift stick, or whatever its called, certain ones MIGHT come with enough to make it work. But its only a might, and i dont want to risk buying a racing shifter to maybe fix my rusty old ranger.
That’s wild. I wish in the future copywrites or patents for this thing would expire. Or even just able to purchase the deign specs and to just 3D print them ourselves. After all the truck is 30 years old.
Something i dont understand is why not just an online database of the information. So people can reproduce it without having to guess or find one to measure.
Like keycodes for vehicles. Dealerships toss it out after 10 years, why not just upload it to the internet? Its like 100MB maximum, just a data file matching VIN to keycode. But nonono, if you lose all your keys to anything over 10 years old, gotta replace everything the key went to cuz it cant be remade.
A part cannot be copyrighted, and the patent expires after 20 years.
If you can find the patent, you might be able to get the dimensions of it - but requiring that amount of detail isn't typical of most patents.
Even if something is under patent, you are free to print/make your own version of it - as long as you don't sell it (or enough for anyone to take notice of).
A patent gives protection against people using your IP for gain, and anyone who wants to gain from it needs a license from you, the patent holder. Anyone not seeking gain (making things for their own use) will not fall afoul of any patent laws.
Copyright protects from anyone making a copy of a written work - and the personal exemption depends on how zealous the owner is. The gaming industry does not want to be forced to go after individuals, so they created all the schemes for legit vs copied games.
That's probably the harder part - getting the exact drawing specs to create your own part.
Nobody is required to divulge their designs freely, and there is a whole different ballgame when dealing with "trade secrets" such as the KFC or Coka-Cola recipe, etc.
Trade secrets can be kept secret forever, and to learn them, several layers of lawyers will probably be needed.
Easiest way around that is to get an actual part and just reverse engineer it - which doesn't sound like a solution after the part breaks.
Someone with a lot of capital to start a business could probably do well 3d printing or machining copies of all these parts for everyone else - but would also probably need layers of lawyers for protection.
Yeah definitely that’s the hardest part. Even eye balling a part to match might not even work with something dealing with a transmission.
And honestly, if a part has been discontinued from a vehicle 30 years old, I doubt the exact design specs still exist for the company to release even if they wanted to.
I think you also understand the importance of right to repair and why it needs to be taken seriously.
Doesn't Toyota do this? They replaced all the frames under warranty because the factory failed to undercoat if i recall correctly. I'm buying a 2001 Tacoma today with the replaced frame
My 2011 Sorento V6 has 518K kms on it (321K burgers), runs smooth & its not about to die on me. Self maintained from day 1, the only work done by a mechanic was done in my presence and its an old HS buddy.
Never trust a stranger to do quality work on your vehicle and never be too lazy to do it yourself, maintenance is mandatory with anything mechanical.
If you maintain it properly, it will last a long time.
There's actually some room to work and it only takes an hour to change the spark plugs underneath the intake manifold... at least they designed it with a reusable gasket.
[ - ] germ22 1 point 3.7 yearsSep 1, 2021 11:38:23 ago (+1/-0)
I have a 2007 F150 with the 4.6 V8. Engine and transmission seem indestructible. Never had to do any work on those components. But the body and frame are rusting away faster than i can repair it. And that is with regular oil spray. I hope to get another year or two out of the truck before the frame will be to weak to drive safely.
We used the fuck out of thus stuff called Vactan when I was in the Navy. Used it all over the submarine engineroom. It turned any rust spot from rust orange colored to a very dark brown and the shit would get hard as fuck. It would convert the rust and seemed like it would make an “epoxy” like layer over the spot. That shit worked really well.
Somebody didn’t mix the 2 part paint correctly when they painted one of the bilges so, yes, I do know about the needle gun. I was able to avoid it many times because we always had a “sparkle team” when things needed to be repainted before inspections. It was always made up of nubs and people who were pieces of shit.
I have used a rust converter that works just as you described and then painted it with a good epoxy paint. And still i seem to loose the fight with rust. Already had to amputate the box of and built myself a flat deck. Off course canadian winter with all that salt on the roads doesn't help. Oil change every 10.000km, always mobil full synthetic, and a high quality filter like napa gold or the like.
Yes, I’ve done all that shit twice on a 6.0 power stroke. I could do the oil cooler relocation, EGR delete, head gaskets and head studs in an afternoon and almost from memory. Also did a 4” turbo back exhaust on it. I miss that truck.
[ + ] Mr7Slug
[ - ] Mr7Slug 4 points 3.7 yearsSep 1, 2021 11:26:06 ago (+4/-0)
Why havent they ever undercoated frames while they are on the factory floor, it would take no time, and be extremely cheap to do at that stage of manufacturing, and if done right, would practically eliminate all frame rusting issues. No fancy alloys or designs required, just an extra step, maybe adding one day to the process, maybe an extra hundred dollars on to new car costs.
But it would stop your vehicles from inevitably rusting out and needing replacement.
Planned obsolescence has been a thing for a very long time. A very very jewish thing. Makes a worse product, with a worse user experience, that doesnt last as long and hurts the environment more, but they make more money forcing your stuff to break every other year.
People that go along with planned obsolescence and design things with it in mind, should be disemboweled in the town square.
[ + ] Fascinus
[ - ] Fascinus 3 points 3.7 yearsSep 1, 2021 11:52:33 ago (+3/-0)
Sounds a lot like the quality of life in general.
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[ - ] GoatsAdvocate 1 point 3.7 yearsSep 1, 2021 12:55:12 ago (+1/-0)
I’d like to look into that transmission piece.
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[ - ] Mr7Slug 2 points 3.7 yearsSep 1, 2021 13:08:08 ago (+2/-0)
Not sure what the nubbin is actually called, just know that the stick just flops all over instead of actually working.
Easy fix on the mazda transmission, unfixable on the Mitsubishi as far as ive found.
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[ - ] GoatsAdvocate 2 points 3.7 yearsSep 1, 2021 13:50:49 ago (+2/-0)
It’s not the entire transmission though.
I think it’s inside of the shifter tower, a blue Teflon ball?
I don’t see anywhere that makes them anymore.
Even getting the dimensions right to 3D print a replacement is difficult.
Another way is to scour junk yards hoping to find one in a better condition yours is.
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[ - ] Mr7Slug 2 points 3.7 yearsSep 1, 2021 14:22:40 ago (+2/-0)
Yea the transmission is fine besides that part, but without that part, its unusable, so it might as well be the whole transmission since that part is apparently impossible to replace.
I think theres a possibility if i got an aftermarket shift stick, or whatever its called, certain ones MIGHT come with enough to make it work. But its only a might, and i dont want to risk buying a racing shifter to maybe fix my rusty old ranger.
[ + ] GoatsAdvocate
[ - ] GoatsAdvocate 0 points 3.7 yearsSep 1, 2021 16:06:29 ago (+0/-0)
A new shifter really might be all you need
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[ - ] Mr7Slug 0 points 3.7 yearsSep 1, 2021 16:26:16 ago (+0/-0)
Like keycodes for vehicles. Dealerships toss it out after 10 years, why not just upload it to the internet? Its like 100MB maximum, just a data file matching VIN to keycode. But nonono, if you lose all your keys to anything over 10 years old, gotta replace everything the key went to cuz it cant be remade.
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[ - ] carrotcar 0 points 3.7 yearsSep 1, 2021 16:42:38 ago (+0/-0)
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[ - ] carrotcar 0 points 3.7 yearsSep 1, 2021 16:42:09 ago (+0/-0)
If you can find the patent, you might be able to get the dimensions of it - but requiring that amount of detail isn't typical of most patents.
Even if something is under patent, you are free to print/make your own version of it - as long as you don't sell it (or enough for anyone to take notice of).
A patent gives protection against people using your IP for gain, and anyone who wants to gain from it needs a license from you, the patent holder. Anyone not seeking gain (making things for their own use) will not fall afoul of any patent laws.
Copyright protects from anyone making a copy of a written work - and the personal exemption depends on how zealous the owner is. The gaming industry does not want to be forced to go after individuals, so they created all the schemes for legit vs copied games.
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[ - ] GoatsAdvocate 0 points 3.7 yearsSep 1, 2021 16:46:02 ago (+0/-0)
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[ - ] carrotcar 0 points 3.7 yearsSep 1, 2021 16:51:53 ago (+0/-0)
Nobody is required to divulge their designs freely, and there is a whole different ballgame when dealing with "trade secrets" such as the KFC or Coka-Cola recipe, etc.
Trade secrets can be kept secret forever, and to learn them, several layers of lawyers will probably be needed.
Easiest way around that is to get an actual part and just reverse engineer it - which doesn't sound like a solution after the part breaks.
Someone with a lot of capital to start a business could probably do well 3d printing or machining copies of all these parts for everyone else - but would also probably need layers of lawyers for protection.
[ + ] GoatsAdvocate
[ - ] GoatsAdvocate 0 points 3.7 yearsSep 1, 2021 21:59:03 ago (+0/-0)
And honestly, if a part has been discontinued from a vehicle 30 years old, I doubt the exact design specs still exist for the company to release even if they wanted to.
I think you also understand the importance of right to repair and why it needs to be taken seriously.
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[ - ] Rotteuxx 3 points 3.7 yearsSep 1, 2021 13:13:44 ago (+3/-0)
My 2011 Sorento V6 has 518K kms on it (321K burgers), runs smooth & its not about to die on me. Self maintained from day 1, the only work done by a mechanic was done in my presence and its an old HS buddy.
Never trust a stranger to do quality work on your vehicle and never be too lazy to do it yourself, maintenance is mandatory with anything mechanical.
If you maintain it properly, it will last a long time.
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[ - ] Rotteuxx 0 points 3.7 yearsSep 1, 2021 20:02:12 ago (+0/-0)
There's actually some room to work and it only takes an hour to change the spark plugs underneath the intake manifold... at least they designed it with a reusable gasket.
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[ - ] Steelerfish 1 point 3.7 yearsSep 1, 2021 20:01:02 ago (+1/-0)
My tacoma has 215k and runs great. Preventative maintenance is crucial. Knowing your mechanic is a very good thing!
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Somebody didn’t mix the 2 part paint correctly when they painted one of the bilges so, yes, I do know about the needle gun. I was able to avoid it many times because we always had a “sparkle team” when things needed to be repainted before inspections. It was always made up of nubs and people who were pieces of shit.
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[ - ] germ22 0 points 3.7 yearsSep 1, 2021 21:13:54 ago (+0/-0)
Off course canadian winter with all that salt on the roads doesn't help.
Oil change every 10.000km, always mobil full synthetic, and a high quality filter like napa gold or the like.
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