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Cooperative and Non-Cooperative Stratagies

submitted by TheBebot to whatever 3.2 yearsMar 27, 2022 13:45:06 ago (+6/-0)     (whatever)

In game theory, there's a difference between cooperative strategies and non-cooperative strategies. In non-cooperative strategies, you act alone, generally with no connection to others or any knowledge about how they'll act. In cooperative behavior, you can form blocs and groups with others.

The economy is generally thought of as non-cooperative, though some issues e.g. Affirmative Action and nepotism challenge this. This means that everyone is supposed to look out for themselves, and not care about the actions of everyone else. It's the classical profit-maximizing libertarian dream which should, at least in theory, lead to the best possible outcome for all people involved.

The problem with this is that cooperative strategies absolutely shit on non-cooperative ones. After all, in a non-cooperative strategy one cannot under any circumstances be expected to sacrifice themselves. Taking on a bit of hardship for the good of the group makes zero sense when you deny that there's a group. For a concrete example, think of strikes. If the manager offers extra pay to break the strike, there's no non-cooperative reason for you not to break it. They rely entirely on cooperative strategies to be effective.

This relative strength means that cooperative strategies are much more prevalent in modern politics and society. Nations themselves are a cooperation of different individuals with only arbitrary similarities between them, as are the political parties and factions within them. In US politics in particular, it's been found that political identity is more predictive of how people vote than actual political beliefs. That is, working-class democrats will vote for the yuppie socialist democrat before a working-class republican, even if the latter reflects their beliefs much more accurately.

This is why libertarianism is largely a meme ideology. It simply isn't a part of the real world's "meta". Rugged individualism will always be destroyed by non-egalitarian groupthink. And this is also why US politics nowadays is so retarded and divisive, because people will care more about their own group and alignment than actual benefits to themselves or others. Even the pundits who point this out, and say that the elites are dividing us, only ever do so as a way to shoehorn in their own cultural beliefs. Like the lefties on reddit who use inclusivity as a weapon to exclude "transphobes", despite the latter being a much larger portion of the population (particularly working class population) than trannies.

The only way around this is absolute nationalism. You need a homogenous nation, to minimize internal divisions, while also focusing heavily on foreign groups to spur cooperation against this perceived threat. The US has operated on this principle since its founding, from the indian wars, to the Mexican-American War, to the World Wars and so on.


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[ - ] Splooge 2 points 3.2 yearsMar 27, 2022 16:02:46 ago (+2/-0)

Nationalism requires a nation, and a nation is a body of people united in majority. That unification often comes on racial lines, but also includes cultural standards and values. There has to be a single supermajority.

Without that supermajority, you have competing races, competing cultures, competing values. Without a supermajority, you cannot have a nation, you can only have an empire.

A nation is a body of people willing to fight for each other. An empire is a body of peoples fighting each other. You need tyrannical force to control an empire, and the problem with this is that the force will pick and choose which group(s) live and which are exterminated.

[ - ] bonghits4jeebus 1 point 3.2 yearsMar 27, 2022 22:46:16 ago (+1/-0)

People in real markets definitely communicate. Even when it's not intentional collusion you have trade groups and chambers of commerce. People in the same business communicate more than other people

[ - ] TheBebot [op] 0 points 3.2 yearsMar 28, 2022 09:37:31 ago (+0/-0)

This is true, but the ideal free market would have everyone acting as self-interested individuals.

[ - ] dalai_llama 1 point 3.2 yearsMar 27, 2022 18:34:51 ago (+1/-0)

I agree with this sentiment. What I have observed happening in the US is the classic divide and conquer strategy. In your terms, the mass of voting constituents are being fed incentives to implement non-cooperative strategies while the highest echelon of the political hierarchy continues to use cooperative strategies. This is intentionally being done to destroy the world's political borders so new ones can be drawn. The old world's borders were drawn based on the ancestor worship driven cooperative strategies that are now seen by the political ruling elite as obselete and a hindrance to global consolidation. All the issues that are portrayed as important are not important at all. Everything is a means to occupy your attention and energy while power is slowly consolidated into smaller, more centralized groups. Decentralized governance was fun during the expansion stage, but that phase is over and the next phase has begun with an entirely new set of rules and a new cast of players that do not value kinship in the traditional sense but subscribe to a new style of ideological hive-mind worship. This is by far more dangerous because this new style eliminates the wiggle room of ideological change that the traditional familial "black sheep" introduced into the equation. A close family member with alternative ideas used to be tolerated because of their bond by kinship but that is no longer the case. The impartial, purportedly "meritocratic" bureaucracy that is now heralded as the ideal organizational structure of political authority will not tolerate dissidence and represents a far greater threat to human kind. If the ruling party that assumes power at the final consolidation phase of the global restructuring event is flawed (which is a 100% certainty that it will be), that flaw will be exacerbated in their policy implementations that will be inherently non-evaluatable.

[ - ] TurningTrident 1 point 3.2 yearsMar 27, 2022 15:20:57 ago (+1/-0)

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