Based on an anonymous claim, impossible to confirm or deny. Wouldn't be surprised though, it does sound like a messy war and the propaganda is basically giving licence for inhumane behaviour.
This part made me kek though:
The post was subsequently edited to remove these comments, however, and it was followed by another post showing what they said was a video of a captured Russian who had “killed Ukrainian children with [a] jet fire system” and realized “the horror of what was happening [and] made a wise decision and gave up, falling under the Geneva Convention” — likely an attempt to reassure concerned Westerners that prisoners were not being “slaughtered” despite their earlier rhetoric.
[ - ] chrimony 1 point 3 yearsApr 15, 2022 12:10:20 ago (+1/-0)
We have video of captured Russians being shot in the groin. Being summarily executed is probably the nicest thing they've done to them. And those civilians killed in Bucha were almost certainly killed by Ukranian forces -- they had white armbands and Russian rations.
There's definitely a lot of propaganda going on, but the West is covering up war crimes and blaming it on Russians. I was not a fan of Putin's invasion, but I'm really disgusted with the West, even moreso than I had been.
"And those civilians killed in Bucha were almost certainly killed by Ukranian forces -- they had white armbands and Russian rations."
Here is drone footage showing Russians murdering the exact same civilians that were later found. As well as satellite images, from before Ukrainian forces moved in, showing the same bodies in the same positions:
Why is it that you so eagerly assume that Ukrainian soldiers, who are risking their lives to defend their country, would kill their own people, for the crime of daring to accept any food they can get in desperate times? Why is it that you fail to consider or acknowledge the possibility that the same invading marauders, who are okay with blindly shelling cities full of civilians, might also have no reservations about murdering the people they just used for a food handout photo op, so they can double up on the propaganda and use their corpses to claim the Ukrainians did it?
Do you at least have the decency to admit you were wrong?
Here is drone footage showing Russians murdering the exact same civilians that were later found.
That's drone footage of a single cyclist being shot by a tank. That's not the execution-style massacre of civilians we're talking about. Russian tanks have been attacked by civilians before when they let them get close. War is hell, civilians will be killed by troops with itchy trigger fingers.
As well as satellite images, from before Ukrainian forces moved in, showing the same bodies in the same positions:
If the bodies had been there for weeks, they would have been rotten, but that's not what the close-up images show. Those were fresh kills.
What you DON'T explain is why Russians would kill civilians with white armbands after giving them rations execution style. The West has been telling lies ever since this war began, whether it was the "Ghost of Kiev" or murdered soldiers on Snake Island. The West lied about the nonsensical chemical attack in Syria, going so far as to cover up the initial inspector report of not finding a chemical attack, which was leaked by investigators. Did the West ever report on this?
How many times do you need to be lied to before you stop swallowing their bullshit?
Here come the excuses and apologetics. I guess that answers the decency question.
That exact cyclist was among the very first phone footage from when the "execution-style" massacre was discovered. It shows Russians murdering a civilian in the same place and time that other murdered civilians were found. The satellite images were days old, not weeks, and again match exactly with the other footage. Even now, temperature in that region ranges from 2C to 8C. That's refrigerator range. When this happened, it was even colder.
Your bias is obvious and lopsided. You eagerly make assumptions, to make excuses and run cover for the invaders, even in the face of hard evidence against them. And, just as eagerly, you make more assumptions, to vilify the defenders, even with a complete lack of evidence.
First, you're "almost certain" the Russians must be innocent, and the evil Ukrainians must have done this to themselves, with absolutely zero evidence to support that. Now, you're making excuses for why the poor Russian tanks must've just been trembling in fear, and were therefore justified in mowing down unarmed civilians.
So which is it? Is it inconceivable that the same invaders who have been bombing, and looting, and murdering their way through the country would massacre unarmed civilians? Or is it justified, because some of the civilians dared to defend themselves and their homeland?
And I wonder, would you be making the same excuses, if it was your neighbors and your family members being murdered by foreign invaders in your streets?
I think not. I think you're just a hypocrite scumbag, that would rather make excuses for atrocities than admit being wrong.
Here come the excuses and apologetics. I guess that answers the decency question.
You should look in the mirror. I'm addressing evidence and a history of fraudulent claims, while you are ignoring them.
That exact cyclist was among the very first phone footage from when the "execution-style" massacre was discovered. It shows Russians murdering a civilian in the same place and time that other murdered civilians were found.
A cyclist being shot by a tank is not the same as civilians executed with arms tied behind their backs. That some civilians died in a war zone isn't the question here.
The satellite images were days old, not weeks
"There is an earlier satellite image available from Maxar on 11 March. It appears to show bodies in the same locations but is less clear than the one on 19 March."
Yours is. I go by evidence and history. You ignore it. I hadn't reached any conclusions about Bucha until more evidence came out, whereas the entire Western media rushed to judgement, as usual, even though they've pushed blatant lies over and over again. But you have nothing to say about that, do you?
First, you're "almost certain" the Russians must be innocent, and the evil Ukrainians must have done this to themselves, with absolutely zero evidence to support that.
I gave you the evidence, but you either chose to ignore it or are wrong about it, as I've shown here. You never even attempt to explain why the Russians would be executing civilians with Russian rations, something far more likely to be done by the Ukrainian Nazis. It's not doing it to "themselves", in their minds they are killing collaborators. But you broker no doubts, address no history of fraud, and swallow evidence uncritically.
o That on Apr. 1 the mayor says the town has been 'liberated' but makes no mention of a civilian massacre.
o On Apr. 2 the New York Times publishes an article on Bucha, but makes no mention of a massacre.
But then Ukranian forces enter and conduct a "clearing" operation, and all of a sudden there's a massacre with civilians executed with arms tied behind their back, with white armbands and Russian rations next to them. But you don't think to question this.
You keep talking about the timeline, implying the massacre must have happened after Apr 2, while emphasizing how the murdered people were wearing white armbands and carrying rations, and presenting this as "evidence" that it must have been the evil Ukrainian soldiers who did this.
Timeline, armbands and rations. Okay. Now take a moment to really think that through, properly.
Armbands... Which are a signal, TO Russian invaders, that "I'm not a threat please don't kill me". Rations... Which were handed out, BY Russian invaders, for their "we the gud bois" propaganda photo-op.
Timeline... Explain to me now, if you could, HOW AND WHY anyone - let alone so many people, at once - would be wandering around in the streets, wearing signals meant for Russians, and carrying rations that were handed out by Russians, DAYS AFTER ALL THE RUSSIANS HAD LEFT, and with the Ukrainian forces approaching being public knowledge.
The only TIME this picture makes any sense whatsoever is while the Russians are still there, and most likely shortly after they did their handout photo-op.
While you're at it, also do explain those bodies we can see in the satellite images, dating as far back as March 11 as you say. Since you are insisting that they cannot be the same ones, even though their positions line up perfectly with the ones found later. Well, who are they then? Where did they go? And, most importantly, WHO KILLED THEM? Was that the evil Ukrainian Nazis too? Weeks before the Russians left? Did Ukrainian nationalists sneak in, in the middle of the night, to murder Ukrainians, with the Russians still there? And then later they returned to murder some more, and meticulously planted them to match up with the previous ones?
You keep claiming I "never even attempt to explain why the Russians would be executing civilians with Russian rations", but I did, in my very first reply to you, if you bothered reading and actually considering it. I'll repeat it again:
"Why is it that you fail to consider or acknowledge the possibility that the same invading marauders, who are okay with blindly shelling cities full of civilians, might also have no reservations about murdering the people they just used for a food handout photo op, so they can double up on the propaganda and use their corpses to claim the Ukrainians did it?"
That is the only scenario in which all the evidence adds up. Especially your precious timeline, armbands and rations narrative.
Timeline, armbands and rations. Okay. Now take a moment to really think that through, properly.
I suggest you follow your own advice.
Timeline... Explain to me now, if you could, HOW AND WHY anyone - let alone so many people, at once - would be wandering around in the streets, wearing signals meant for Russians, and carrying rations that were handed out by Russians, DAYS AFTER ALL THE RUSSIANS HAD LEFT, and with the Ukrainian forces approaching being public knowledge.
Well indeed. You missed the part where the Ukrainian forces were conducting a "clearing" operation. Enter people's homes, find evidence of "collaboration", drag them out, and shoot them as an example. Put the ration box next to them to make sure people get the message.
"Why is it that you fail to consider or acknowledge the possibility that the same invading marauders, who are okay with blindly shelling cities full of civilians, might also have no reservations about murdering the people they just used for a food handout photo op, so they can double up on the propaganda and use their corpses to claim the Ukrainians did it?"
If Russia wanted to absolutely flatten Ukraine they could have. Kiev could be in absolute ruins. But the Russians didn't do that. You're swallowing a Western propaganda line that the Russians are indiscriminately shelling civilians. Of course some civilians will die and civilian structures will be destroyed in a war zone. Just look at ANY war that has occurred, including ones fought by the US. You'll see the same destruction and dead civilians.
And why would the Russians play 4d chess like this, slaughtering Ukrainians so they could blame Ukrainians? They know the entire Western media, including big tech social media, is going to blame the Russians no matter what. Lie after propaganda lie has been pushed by the Western media. Truth has no relevance.
While you're at it, also do explain those bodies we can see in the satellite images, dating as far back as March 11 as you say.
Which you claimed were only taken days previously. But I digress. Dead bodies in a war zone. Okay. You already showed one cyclist being killed by a tank, but that's not being shot execution style with your hands tied behind your back. I explained this to you last time, and the time before, but you keep glossing over that fact.
As you gloss over the fact that there was no report of a massacre by the mayor on April 1st, or the report of a massacre by the New York Times on Apr. 2, but it's only after the Ukrainian forces enter the town and conduct a "clearing" operation that all of a sudden there's the report of a massacre. How convenient.
Well indeed. You missed the part where the Ukrainian forces were conducting a "clearing" operation. Enter people's homes, find evidence of "collaboration", drag them out, and shoot them as an example. Put the ration box next to them to make sure people get the message.
Are you actually serious?
Let me get this straight... You're claiming that, in the middle of a war, Ukrainian soldiers had nothing better to do than go door to door, house to house, rummaging through everyone's belongings, looking for white ribbons and ration handouts. And that, if they found any, they dressed the people up, put the ribbons on them, gathered whatever remained of their week-old rations, which for some reason hadn't been consumed yet, took them from their pantries and refrigerators, put those magic ever-lasting rations back into the plastic bags they came in, then dragged the people outside, and murdered their own countrymen and -women in cold blood for the crime of accepting food from the enemy instead of starving. And then arranged the bodies to perfectly match the locations of bodies seen by satellites a week or two prior. But which all mysteriously disappeared. And which definitely weren't civilians murdered by Russians.
This is actually what you're insisting on. This is what you think is more likely than foreign invaders, who have been murdering their way through the country, murdering some more, and getting caught doing it, yet again. As supported by drone video, satellite images and phone recordings, from multiple sources, all corroborating each other, and all neatly adding up to the same picture.
But never mind all that. Because you've got some baseless speculations pulled from some random assholes blog post as "evidence" for your hair-brained version of events. And that's all you need to believe. And everyone else is just gullible and "swallowing propaganda". But not you. You go where the "real" evidence leads.
Do you not realize how fucking insane and retarded you're being? I guess you wouldn't, being insane and retarded.
Of course some civilians will die and civilian structures will be destroyed in a war zone.
So you admit Russians ARE murdering innocent civilians in Ukraine. But definitely not THESE civilians. And definitely not the train station civilians. Or any other time anyone claims they killed civilians. Nope. Definitely not. But also "of course" such things would happen in a war zone. We shouldn't make a big deal out of it. It's totally natural. But also it never happens.
Well, which is it? Is it inevitable? Or inconceivable? Make up your fucking mind.
Or are these Schrödinger's Russians, both murdering civilians and not murdering civilians, at the same time?
You're so fucking brainwashed you can't even see past the fog of your own insanity.
Let me get this straight... You're claiming that, in the middle of a war, Ukrainian soldiers had nothing better to do than go door to door, house to house, rummaging through everyone's belongings, looking for white ribbons and ration handouts.
Are you serious? You're claiming that Russia, in the middle of the war, had nothing better to do than execute civilians to give the West a propaganda win -- but it's really a 4d chess move to blame it on the Ukrainians. Puh-lease.
Yes, the Ukrainian forces had time to do whatever they want. They came in after the Russians had already left.
which for some reason hadn't been consumed yet
And you know this how? All I saw was some pictures of boxes.
murdered their own countrymen and -women in cold blood for the crime of accepting food from the enemy instead of starving
Yes, the Ukrainian Nazis are that brutal. They brag about killing people for fun. The video is online. They burned alive counter-protestors during the 2014 coup. They shot captured Russian soldiers in the groin, ON VIDEO. Yes, the are committing war crimes ON VIDEO, and don't give a fuck.
This is actually what you're insisting on. This is what you think is more likely than foreign invaders, who have been murdering their way through the country
Weird how you never address the fact that if Russia had wanted to absolutely flatten Ukraine, they could have, but have not.
As supported by drone video, satellite images and phone recordings, from multiple sources, all corroborating each other, and all neatly adding up to the same picture.
Weird how you never address the points I raise about the timeline. Why the mayor said nothing about a massacre on April 1st. Why the New York Times said nothing about a massacre on April 2. But it's only after the Ukrainian forces enter and conduct a "clearing" operation that we hear about a massacre.
Nevermind, it's not weird. You've 100% ignored the repeated lies and propaganda put out by Western media.
Do you not realize how fucking insane and retarded you're being?
Do know what a willing dupe you sound like? You get lied into war over and over again, whether it's the babies being killed in hospitals in Iraq (complete bullshit story by the Kuwaiti ambassador's daughter), the phony "chemical attack" in Syria (original report by investigators scuttled into it was leaked, never covered by US press), or the countless fake stories the West has already been caught promoting in Ukraine. But this one, THIS one you are absolutely sure about, because it would be "insane" not to believe what you are being sold.
[ + ] Broc_Liath
[ - ] Broc_Liath 2 points 3 yearsApr 15, 2022 11:25:41 ago (+2/-0)
This part made me kek though:
Oy vey, it's another oven!
[ + ] chrimony
[ - ] chrimony 1 point 3 yearsApr 15, 2022 12:10:20 ago (+1/-0)
There's definitely a lot of propaganda going on, but the West is covering up war crimes and blaming it on Russians. I was not a fan of Putin's invasion, but I'm really disgusted with the West, even moreso than I had been.
[ + ] GloryBeckons
[ - ] GloryBeckons 0 points 3 yearsApr 15, 2022 23:11:00 ago (+0/-0)
Here is drone footage showing Russians murdering the exact same civilians that were later found. As well as satellite images, from before Ukrainian forces moved in, showing the same bodies in the same positions:
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-drone-footage-appears-to-show-russian-military-vehicles-shooting-towards-cyclist-in-bucha-12582834
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10687627/Drone-video-shows-Russian-tank-opening-fire-cyclist-Bucha.html
"Almost certainly" huh.
Why is it that you so eagerly assume that Ukrainian soldiers, who are risking their lives to defend their country, would kill their own people, for the crime of daring to accept any food they can get in desperate times? Why is it that you fail to consider or acknowledge the possibility that the same invading marauders, who are okay with blindly shelling cities full of civilians, might also have no reservations about murdering the people they just used for a food handout photo op, so they can double up on the propaganda and use their corpses to claim the Ukrainians did it?
Do you at least have the decency to admit you were wrong?
[ + ] chrimony
[ - ] chrimony 0 points 3 yearsApr 16, 2022 01:44:38 ago (+0/-0)
That's drone footage of a single cyclist being shot by a tank. That's not the execution-style massacre of civilians we're talking about. Russian tanks have been attacked by civilians before when they let them get close. War is hell, civilians will be killed by troops with itchy trigger fingers.
If the bodies had been there for weeks, they would have been rotten, but that's not what the close-up images show. Those were fresh kills.
What you DON'T explain is why Russians would kill civilians with white armbands after giving them rations execution style. The West has been telling lies ever since this war began, whether it was the "Ghost of Kiev" or murdered soldiers on Snake Island. The West lied about the nonsensical chemical attack in Syria, going so far as to cover up the initial inspector report of not finding a chemical attack, which was leaked by investigators. Did the West ever report on this?
How many times do you need to be lied to before you stop swallowing their bullshit?
[ + ] GloryBeckons
[ - ] GloryBeckons -1 points 3 yearsApr 16, 2022 07:38:57 ago (+0/-1)*
That exact cyclist was among the very first phone footage from when the "execution-style" massacre was discovered. It shows Russians murdering a civilian in the same place and time that other murdered civilians were found. The satellite images were days old, not weeks, and again match exactly with the other footage. Even now, temperature in that region ranges from 2C to 8C. That's refrigerator range. When this happened, it was even colder.
Your bias is obvious and lopsided. You eagerly make assumptions, to make excuses and run cover for the invaders, even in the face of hard evidence against them. And, just as eagerly, you make more assumptions, to vilify the defenders, even with a complete lack of evidence.
First, you're "almost certain" the Russians must be innocent, and the evil Ukrainians must have done this to themselves, with absolutely zero evidence to support that. Now, you're making excuses for why the poor Russian tanks must've just been trembling in fear, and were therefore justified in mowing down unarmed civilians.
So which is it? Is it inconceivable that the same invaders who have been bombing, and looting, and murdering their way through the country would massacre unarmed civilians? Or is it justified, because some of the civilians dared to defend themselves and their homeland?
And I wonder, would you be making the same excuses, if it was your neighbors and your family members being murdered by foreign invaders in your streets?
I think not. I think you're just a hypocrite scumbag, that would rather make excuses for atrocities than admit being wrong.
[ + ] chrimony
[ - ] chrimony 0 points 3 yearsApr 16, 2022 11:17:44 ago (+0/-0)
You should look in the mirror. I'm addressing evidence and a history of fraudulent claims, while you are ignoring them.
A cyclist being shot by a tank is not the same as civilians executed with arms tied behind their backs. That some civilians died in a war zone isn't the question here.
"There is an earlier satellite image available from Maxar on 11 March. It appears to show bodies in the same locations but is less clear than the one on 19 March."
https://www.bbc.com/news/60981238
I don't do Celsius. The high temperatures for that period were over 50F. That's mild spring weather.
https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/@711350/historic?month=3&year=2022
Yours is. I go by evidence and history. You ignore it. I hadn't reached any conclusions about Bucha until more evidence came out, whereas the entire Western media rushed to judgement, as usual, even though they've pushed blatant lies over and over again. But you have nothing to say about that, do you?
I gave you the evidence, but you either chose to ignore it or are wrong about it, as I've shown here. You never even attempt to explain why the Russians would be executing civilians with Russian rations, something far more likely to be done by the Ukrainian Nazis. It's not doing it to "themselves", in their minds they are killing collaborators. But you broker no doubts, address no history of fraud, and swallow evidence uncritically.
Here's a page that goes over the timeline of events, and ask yourself if it lines up with a Russian massacre: https://standpointzero.com/2022/04/04/the-bucha-massacre/
o That on Apr. 1 the mayor says the town has been 'liberated' but makes no mention of a civilian massacre.
o On Apr. 2 the New York Times publishes an article on Bucha, but makes no mention of a massacre.
But then Ukranian forces enter and conduct a "clearing" operation, and all of a sudden there's a massacre with civilians executed with arms tied behind their back, with white armbands and Russian rations next to them. But you don't think to question this.
[ + ] GloryBeckons
[ - ] GloryBeckons 0 points 3 yearsApr 16, 2022 17:17:38 ago (+0/-0)*
Timeline, armbands and rations. Okay. Now take a moment to really think that through, properly.
Armbands... Which are a signal, TO Russian invaders, that "I'm not a threat please don't kill me".
Rations... Which were handed out, BY Russian invaders, for their "we the gud bois" propaganda photo-op.
Timeline... Explain to me now, if you could, HOW AND WHY anyone - let alone so many people, at once - would be wandering around in the streets, wearing signals meant for Russians, and carrying rations that were handed out by Russians, DAYS AFTER ALL THE RUSSIANS HAD LEFT, and with the Ukrainian forces approaching being public knowledge.
The only TIME this picture makes any sense whatsoever is while the Russians are still there, and most likely shortly after they did their handout photo-op.
While you're at it, also do explain those bodies we can see in the satellite images, dating as far back as March 11 as you say. Since you are insisting that they cannot be the same ones, even though their positions line up perfectly with the ones found later. Well, who are they then? Where did they go? And, most importantly, WHO KILLED THEM? Was that the evil Ukrainian Nazis too? Weeks before the Russians left? Did Ukrainian nationalists sneak in, in the middle of the night, to murder Ukrainians, with the Russians still there? And then later they returned to murder some more, and meticulously planted them to match up with the previous ones?
You keep claiming I "never even attempt to explain why the Russians would be executing civilians with Russian rations", but I did, in my very first reply to you, if you bothered reading and actually considering it. I'll repeat it again:
"Why is it that you fail to consider or acknowledge the possibility that the same invading marauders, who are okay with blindly shelling cities full of civilians, might also have no reservations about murdering the people they just used for a food handout photo op, so they can double up on the propaganda and use their corpses to claim the Ukrainians did it?"
That is the only scenario in which all the evidence adds up. Especially your precious timeline, armbands and rations narrative.
[ + ] chrimony
[ - ] chrimony 0 points 3 yearsApr 16, 2022 18:10:04 ago (+0/-0)
I suggest you follow your own advice.
Well indeed. You missed the part where the Ukrainian forces were conducting a "clearing" operation. Enter people's homes, find evidence of "collaboration", drag them out, and shoot them as an example. Put the ration box next to them to make sure people get the message.
If Russia wanted to absolutely flatten Ukraine they could have. Kiev could be in absolute ruins. But the Russians didn't do that. You're swallowing a Western propaganda line that the Russians are indiscriminately shelling civilians. Of course some civilians will die and civilian structures will be destroyed in a war zone. Just look at ANY war that has occurred, including ones fought by the US. You'll see the same destruction and dead civilians.
And why would the Russians play 4d chess like this, slaughtering Ukrainians so they could blame Ukrainians? They know the entire Western media, including big tech social media, is going to blame the Russians no matter what. Lie after propaganda lie has been pushed by the Western media. Truth has no relevance.
Which you claimed were only taken days previously. But I digress. Dead bodies in a war zone. Okay. You already showed one cyclist being killed by a tank, but that's not being shot execution style with your hands tied behind your back. I explained this to you last time, and the time before, but you keep glossing over that fact.
As you gloss over the fact that there was no report of a massacre by the mayor on April 1st, or the report of a massacre by the New York Times on Apr. 2, but it's only after the Ukrainian forces enter the town and conduct a "clearing" operation that all of a sudden there's the report of a massacre. How convenient.
[ + ] GloryBeckons
[ - ] GloryBeckons 0 points 3 yearsApr 16, 2022 22:03:25 ago (+0/-0)
Are you actually serious?
Let me get this straight... You're claiming that, in the middle of a war, Ukrainian soldiers had nothing better to do than go door to door, house to house, rummaging through everyone's belongings, looking for white ribbons and ration handouts. And that, if they found any, they dressed the people up, put the ribbons on them, gathered whatever remained of their week-old rations, which for some reason hadn't been consumed yet, took them from their pantries and refrigerators, put those magic ever-lasting rations back into the plastic bags they came in, then dragged the people outside, and murdered their own countrymen and -women in cold blood for the crime of accepting food from the enemy instead of starving. And then arranged the bodies to perfectly match the locations of bodies seen by satellites a week or two prior. But which all mysteriously disappeared. And which definitely weren't civilians murdered by Russians.
This is actually what you're insisting on. This is what you think is more likely than foreign invaders, who have been murdering their way through the country, murdering some more, and getting caught doing it, yet again. As supported by drone video, satellite images and phone recordings, from multiple sources, all corroborating each other, and all neatly adding up to the same picture.
But never mind all that. Because you've got some baseless speculations pulled from some random assholes blog post as "evidence" for your hair-brained version of events. And that's all you need to believe. And everyone else is just gullible and "swallowing propaganda". But not you. You go where the "real" evidence leads.
Do you not realize how fucking insane and retarded you're being? I guess you wouldn't, being insane and retarded.
So you admit Russians ARE murdering innocent civilians in Ukraine. But definitely not THESE civilians. And definitely not the train station civilians. Or any other time anyone claims they killed civilians. Nope. Definitely not. But also "of course" such things would happen in a war zone. We shouldn't make a big deal out of it. It's totally natural. But also it never happens.
Well, which is it? Is it inevitable? Or inconceivable? Make up your fucking mind.
Or are these Schrödinger's Russians, both murdering civilians and not murdering civilians, at the same time?
You're so fucking brainwashed you can't even see past the fog of your own insanity.
[ + ] chrimony
[ - ] chrimony 0 points 3 yearsApr 16, 2022 22:38:22 ago (+0/-0)
Are you serious? You're claiming that Russia, in the middle of the war, had nothing better to do than execute civilians to give the West a propaganda win -- but it's really a 4d chess move to blame it on the Ukrainians. Puh-lease.
Yes, the Ukrainian forces had time to do whatever they want. They came in after the Russians had already left.
And you know this how? All I saw was some pictures of boxes.
Yes, the Ukrainian Nazis are that brutal. They brag about killing people for fun. The video is online. They burned alive counter-protestors during the 2014 coup. They shot captured Russian soldiers in the groin, ON VIDEO. Yes, the are committing war crimes ON VIDEO, and don't give a fuck.
Weird how you never address the fact that if Russia had wanted to absolutely flatten Ukraine, they could have, but have not.
Weird how you never address the points I raise about the timeline. Why the mayor said nothing about a massacre on April 1st. Why the New York Times said nothing about a massacre on April 2. But it's only after the Ukrainian forces enter and conduct a "clearing" operation that we hear about a massacre.
Nevermind, it's not weird. You've 100% ignored the repeated lies and propaganda put out by Western media.
Do know what a willing dupe you sound like? You get lied into war over and over again, whether it's the babies being killed in hospitals in Iraq (complete bullshit story by the Kuwaiti ambassador's daughter), the phony "chemical attack" in Syria (original report by investigators scuttled into it was leaked, never covered by US press), or the countless fake stories the West has already been caught promoting in Ukraine. But this one, THIS one you are absolutely sure about, because it would be "insane" not to believe what you are being sold.