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Some classical music recommendations, with a view toward avoiding jew conductors and composers

submitted by HughBriss to Classical_Music 3 yearsJun 11, 2022 13:21:52 ago (+27/-0)     (Classical_Music)

I'm posting this because I told @Yargiyankooli I would suggest some things. I've been listening to orchestral music since the early 70s. I hadn't even started to notice girls when I discovered orchestral music and realized how much I liked it.

I'll start by saying that conductors who are the of the same nationality as the composer are the best interpreters of the music. Russian music is best performed by Russians. Gennady Rozhdestvensky was an excellent conductor of Tchaikovsky, particularly "Swan Lake". Herbert Von Karajan was an excellent German conductor and conducts the German composers brilliantly. French conductors seem to understand French composers best, etc.

You get the idea. Just make sure you look at a conductor's early history before you get one of his albums. Note that George Solti was a jew. He was a good conductor, especially for Bartok, but I can't listen to him any longer for that reason. And I just can't stand Leonard Bernstein because he was both a kike and a faggot.

Now, some recommendations. These are good for the new listener. Some of this you can find on jewtube.

Karl Richter's performance of Handel's "Messiah" with the London Philharmonic Orchestra is without question the best. It's easy to find if you do a search for those search terms. I have it on vinyl, with a paining by Salvador Dali on the front cover of the crucified Christ, but I also have it on DVD. Highly recommended.

Bizet's "Carmen" is the greatest opera ever written. Look for a version performed as opéra comique, which is where the musical segments are separated by spoken dialogue. Try to avoid a version with recitative, which is where the dialogue is sung rather than spoken.

"The Planets" by Holst should be familiar to most people. Very moving and inspirational.

I've always liked "The Grand Canyon Suite" by Ferde Grofe. It's the music used in the train ride at Disneyland during the Grand Canyon sequence.

Anything by Bach is perfect in every way, but his Brandenburg Concertos are lovely and very accessible.

"Symphonie Fantastique" by Hector Berlioz is surrealistic and strange but moving and captivating. One of the movements is in 5/4 time, unusual at the time.

"Scheherazade" by Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov is long, but lyrical and beautiful. It can be described as a tone poem that expresses the feeling of the various stories in the series of books "A Thousand Nights and a Night".

The Peer Gynt Suite by Edvard Grieg, which is the incidental music for the play "Peer Gynt" is lyrical and beautifully harmonious. You'll hear quite a lot that will be familiar to you.

Tchaikovsky's "Nutcracker" is an old and familiar stand-by, famous for good reason. It's accessible, fun, and has the composer's usual lush orchestration. If you're up to heavier stuff, try his First Piano Concerto. His Symphony #6 is very melancholy, and one of the movements is also in 5/4, but it requires some listening to appreciate it.

Prokofiev was a Russian modernist who wrote lyrically with some integrated dissonance, a bit jarring sometimes, but it works. His easier works are the Lieutenant Kije suite, music he wrote for a Russian film, his Symphony #1, called his "Classical" symphony, and "Peter and the Wolf". If you listen to the latter, listen to a version with the narration first so you understand the story and the breakdown of the instrumentation, and then find a version without the narration.

Aram Khachaturian was very much a modernist, and a nationalist commie as was Prokofiev, but neither of them were jews. His most famous work is the ballet "Gayeneh" or "Gayane". It has the "Sabre Dance", which you have probably heard before.

That's enough for now. I just turned the soil for the first row, and there's much, more to add, but I don't want to make this too long. If anyone has other good recommendations that could be accessible to the new listener, please feel free.


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[ - ] WanderingToast 2 points 3 yearsJun 11, 2022 18:16:47 ago (+2/-0)

Dvorjak ma vlast is amazing

[ - ] HughBriss [op] 1 point 3 yearsJun 11, 2022 18:33:02 ago (+1/-0)

I agree, it's beautiful stuff. I'd almost forgotten about that one, since I hadn't heard it in over 40 years. "Ma Vlast", translated as "My Fatherland", is set of six lyrical poems describing the composer's homeland. Long gone are the days when people used to write beautiful music to pay tribute to their countries. I remember the piece "The Moldau" the best, which describes the course of the river Vlatava. So incredibly charming. Thanks for reminding me of that.

[ - ] deleted 2 points 3 yearsJun 11, 2022 20:18:55 ago (+2/-0)

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[ - ] lord_nougat 2 points 3 yearsJun 11, 2022 13:59:06 ago (+2/-0)

Hitler himself liked specific non bolshevik jew conductors and composers.

[ - ] HughBriss [op] 3 points 3 yearsJun 11, 2022 14:10:35 ago (+3/-0)

Very true. At the time, jew composers were writing music that was intentionally unlistenable, particularly the 12 tone composers such as Arnold Schoenberg. His music was targeted as "degenerate" and he later emigrated to the US in 1933. Cabaret producers Bertolt Brecht and Kurt Weil were considered degenerate, and while Brecht was not a jew, he was a communist. Kurt Weil wrote using the jazz idiom, popular in Berlin but found too harsh by most traditional Germans. Both emigrated to the US later also.

[ - ] lord_nougat 4 points 3 yearsJun 11, 2022 14:19:56 ago (+4/-0)

As I started reading your reply, I had things I was going to respond with, but it turns out all of those things are in your comment!

Degenerates gotta degenerate!

[ - ] deleted 1 point 3 yearsJun 11, 2022 20:17:31 ago (+1/-0)

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[ - ] spasswerk 1 point 3 yearsJun 11, 2022 23:00:22 ago (+1/-0)

Nothing in your list with which I disagree. All solid pieces accessible to an attentive listener.

I believe there are three suites from the ballet Spartacus by Khachaturian, all great listening. A surprising amount of piano providing percussion notes.

Speaking of percussive piano, Carl Orff' Carmina Burana has some strongly rhythmic dance pieces.

Bach wrote a lot of great things. One could spend a good while just learning to play the two and three part inventions. He wrote some powerful organ works. To get the full feel of them you should hear them played both by E.Power Biggs and Virgil Fox. Bigg's version of Passacaglia and Fugue in C Minor brilliantly brings out the melodies and variations normally visible only by studying the score. If you read music, listen while reading the score. Fox has a more playful and sometimes dramatic flair for interpreting Bach. His Fantasy and Fugue in C Major BWV 537 or Organ Trio Sonata in G Major BWV 530i are great interpretations of the passionate side of Bach's sometimes strict music. (Yes, I like Bach.)

Also have to mention Wagner. His music captures the Nordic heroic spirit like no other. Another German great is of course Beethoven. His 9th Symphony, particularly the Toscanini version, is some of the greatest music on the planet.

Add Eric Satie piano works for some easy background music. Very open to interpretation and performed in many different ways by different artists. The same piece transforms into different sounds at the interpretation of the performer.

I could go on and on. My recordings go back to the 78rpm days when an album really was a book with many "pages" each of which was a sleeve for a disk. Fortunately, the good stuff got remastered to vinyl and then CD, so not a lot of time listening to hissing.



[ - ] HughBriss [op] 0 points 3 yearsJun 12, 2022 10:07:40 ago (+0/-0)

I like Khachaturian, but I never listened to Spartacus, unfortunately. I'll have to correct that.

Your mentioning E. Power Biggs and Virgil Fox is a great contrast. I have several albums of theirs that I bought in the 1970s. Biggs had a reputation for finding the power and dignity of Bach's work, while Fox was a flashy virtuoso who wanted to make the music fun and approachable for young people.

Interesting you mention the 78rpm album books. I have a number of them myself. They used to be my aunt's which were part of her music collection from the late 1940s. I've never listened to them, but I should at least catalogue them so I know what I have. They just don't make 'em like that any more.

[ - ] HughBriss [op] 0 points 3 yearsJun 12, 2022 10:26:43 ago (+0/-0)

I also want to mention that if you're the kind of person who can any of Bach's Inventions, you have a gift. I learned to read music because I wanted to play Bach, but I have terrible digital coordination and my fingers are short and stubby. It was never meant to be, but I admire anyone with the skill and tenacity who can play Bach. The best I could ever do was the Prelude No. 1 (C major) to Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier.

[ - ] spasswerk 1 point 3 yearsJun 12, 2022 22:33:11 ago (+1/-0)

Start with the Spartacus suites. They are sure to please.

[ - ] HughBriss [op] 0 points 3 yearsJun 12, 2022 23:08:45 ago (+0/-0)

I shall. Thank you.

[ - ] OldGoat 1 point 3 yearsJun 11, 2022 20:22:40 ago (+1/-0)

Shostakovich's 5th and 7th Symphonies will eat you alive and you will enjoy it.

[ - ] HughBriss [op] 1 point 3 yearsJun 11, 2022 20:29:26 ago (+1/-0)

That's a lack in my listening. I never listened to Shostakovich, to my regret. The 19th century composers emphasized emotion in their approach to music, unlike the composers of earlier centuries who were detached. Thanks for the recommendation.

[ - ] OldGoat 1 point 3 yearsJun 12, 2022 02:21:29 ago (+1/-0)

Shosty was definitely influenced by the Romantics. I think of him as a kind of mix between the emotion of Rachmaninoff, the epicness of Mahler, and the modernism of Prokofiev.

[ - ] deleted 1 point 3 yearsJun 11, 2022 20:15:52 ago (+1/-0)

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[ - ] HughBriss [op] 0 points 3 yearsJun 11, 2022 20:27:46 ago (+0/-0)*

What they say about Beethoven's symphonies, that is odd numbered ones are the best is largely true, but I'd also strongly recommend his 6th, the Pastorale, as a masterpiece of quiet, subtle genius. His 9th is arguably the greatest symphony ever written.

Chopin is vastly underrated. Quiet, understated, intended only for a small audience, but with the right pianist they are deeply expressive.

[ - ] deleted 1 point 3 yearsJun 11, 2022 20:47:49 ago (+1/-0)

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[ - ] letsgetit 1 point 3 yearsJun 11, 2022 20:03:36 ago (+1/-0)

Some Favorites:
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Allegro - Vivaldi
"Seasons" - Vivaldi
Air - Bach
Csardas - Vittorio Monti
Tango en skai - Roland Dyens
Oblivion - Piazzolla
Vocalise - Rachmaninov
Elegy - Fauré
Passacaglia - Handel - Halvorsen
Gabriel's Oboe - Ennio Morricone
Adagio - Tomaso Albinoni
Liebesleid - Kreisler
Pie Jesu - Fauré
Meditation from Thais - Jules Massenet

[ - ] spasswerk 2 points 3 yearsJun 11, 2022 23:08:28 ago (+2/-0)

That brings up Rachmaninoff's piano concerti. Number three is great with two coming close.

[ - ] HughBriss [op] 1 point 3 yearsJun 11, 2022 20:23:24 ago (+1/-0)

These are excellent recommendations, some of which I've never heard. I'll hunt them down and give them a listen. The only Faure I've ever heard was his Pavane, so I look forward to listening to his Elegy and Pie Jesu.

The only exception in your list is the Fritz Kreisler piece. He was a jew who was a violin virtuoso and played short pieces of his own composition as encores in his concerts, passing them off as "new discoveries", and in this case a new discovery by Joseph Lanner. He took credit for it for decades until he came clean and announced that he had composed dozens of short violin pieces in the style of many others and copyrighted them in his own name. It might be good music, but knowing its provenance just gives me a bad taste in my mouth, which is why @Yargiyankooli made his initial post and it resonated with me so much.

That aside, your taste in music is exceptional. I like Albinoni's Adagio particularly, and I think many people have heard it without knowing what it is. Thank you very much for your comment.

[ - ] letsgetit 1 point 3 yearsJun 12, 2022 12:07:49 ago (+1/-0)*

Interesting. I had not heard of the background of Kreisler. There's numerous cases of one composer using/stealing works from another so doesn't surprise me.

https://youtu.be/EOTykAFBWS4
https://youtu.be/JY4YiZB0mmk
https://youtu.be/Ilx_Fi5qD0k
https://youtu.be/F6h9dCRL4NM

I'll have to take a look at your list when I have some time. I prefer to hear the classical works with a cello as a primary or secondary next to orchestra. Modern day Luka Šulić and Stjepan Hauser are favorite performers. Petrit Çeku as classical guitarist is great too. Cheers!

[ - ] PostWallHelena 1 point 3 yearsJun 11, 2022 19:50:05 ago (+1/-0)

This is a damn fine post sir. Thanks for the tips.

[ - ] HughBriss [op] 0 points 3 yearsJun 11, 2022 20:09:03 ago (+0/-0)

Thank you very much.

[ - ] SithEmpire 0 points 3 yearsJun 12, 2022 03:42:57 ago (+0/-0)

Are there any well-known jew conductors or composers you have in mind to avoid? Most composers I could name seemed not to be blue, though I would bet the blue ones were relatively talentless and polluting the art.

Incidentally, Beethoven is celebrated among fans of symphonic metal. If you're curious, try looking for an arrangement of the Moonlight Sonata 3rd movement performed by Tina S (arrangement by Dr Viossy, though his performance didn't have as much passion).

[ - ] HughBriss [op] 1 point 3 yearsJun 12, 2022 10:22:19 ago (+1/-0)

There are several. When I first started listening decades, I wasn't aware of the JQ, so it didn't matter to me, but it does now. I resent jews playing European music because whenever they enter White culture, it's always for the purpose of controlling it and acting as gatekeepers. I don't think you're going to find many jews who will conduct Wagner.

These are some conductors who I avoid. I'm listing only those who have previously recorded albums that I'm aware of. This list is very dated, but their recordings are still available for purchase.

Daniel Barenboim
Leonard Bernstein
Antal Doráti
James Levine
Lorin Maazel
Pierre Monteux
Eugene Ormandy
André Previn
Fritz Reiner
Leonard Slatkin
Sir Georg Solti
George Szell

Tina S's Beethoven ... Never heard of her before, but holy cow, that was intense.

[ - ] SithEmpire 1 point 3 yearsJun 12, 2022 18:34:45 ago (+1/-0)

Thank you - and of course those kikes appear more as conductors than as actual performers.

I saw your mention of that nose which did perform but injected its own stuff. Amazing how it couldn't just turn that into a honest act and probably have composers lining up for the novelty of being imitated, it HAD to lie. I bet they have a pact with satan where they have to keep lying otherwise their noses grow even more, like a reverse Pinnochio.

[ - ] HughBriss [op] 0 points 3 yearsJun 12, 2022 19:26:54 ago (+0/-0)

No problem. Which nose are you talking about though? Do you mean Leonard Bernstein when he condescended to Glenn Gould? For anyone else interested, I'm including a link to Nosestein's obnoxious preamble to the piece they played, effectively taking the focus off the 28 year old prodigy known for being the preeminent interpreter of Bach on the piano and on to himself.

I thought it was shameless grandstanding, especially when he mentioned Gould's "extreme youth". The "youth" had been playing Bach at that point for 23 years and knew the material better than Nosestein did. When I finally saw this video, I was outraged for something that happened before I was old enough to understand music. He couldn't let a gentile outshine him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZX_XCYokQo

However, if you're talking about Fritz Kreisler, then yes, I agree with your assessment. The fact that he let it go on for so long just means that jews have no respect for truth and are so narcissistic that they need to inflate their self-importance out of bounds of all reality. All in all, it was just some short violin pieces, but he made them seem like they were grander than they were. Pact with Satan, indeed.