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Laws can and should be ignored when the state has lost legitimacy.

submitted by AntiPostmodernist to whatever 2.5 yearsDec 14, 2022 11:09:27 ago (+34/-0)     (whatever)

Now all that matters is avoiding their punishment.

And even that concern could be waived under the right circumstances, or for the right reasons.


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[ - ] deleted 7 points 2.5 yearsDec 14, 2022 11:23:49 ago (+7/-0)

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[ - ] AntiPostmodernist [op] 2 points 2.5 yearsDec 14, 2022 11:33:48 ago (+2/-0)*

It's a lie, they weren't ever actually peaceful and had always used mostly peaceful means instead when it suited them, they just lied effectively about how peaceful they were by separating the peaceful face from the mostly peaceful one.

[ - ] WhiteRonin 2 points 2.5 yearsDec 14, 2022 16:03:06 ago (+2/-0)

Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends [life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness] it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government...” ― Thomas Jefferson

P.S. You mispelled "Demsheviks".

[ - ] Razzoriel 0 points 2.5 yearsDec 14, 2022 17:01:29 ago (+0/-0)

This is masonic to the core and tells all you need to know about the revolutionary spirit. Pursuit of happiness can be anything. Liberty for what, to sin? Life of whom, those who want to destroy you?

[ - ] AntiPostmodernist [op] 0 points 2.5 yearsDec 14, 2022 22:06:16 ago (+0/-0)

It's darwinistic before darwin.

Everyone goes their own path and does their own thing on a simple agreement that none shall force anything on anyone.

There are better paths and worse paths, those who take the better paths will prosper and influence others to follow their example, creating traditions, those who take the worse paths will suffer and influence others to avoid acting as they did, creating taboos.

Conventions then replace laws as the things which govern human behavior.

It's like that anime where a girl arrives in a walled-off city where there are no laws, the state was overthrown and there is a permanent state of anarchy, without any police or courts or prisons. It's a forever purge, 24/7 lawless amoral anarchy.

She expects a rundown chaotic hellhole of constant warfare, but when she arrives in the city she is surprised to see the exact opposite, everything is in fact better than the cities that still have governments, everything is clean, people are friendly, polite, and always willing to help each other out however they can, it's not just a nice place but a seemingly perfect one, at least for the first day.

But then she notices something, everyone is in peak physical condition, the boys practice fighting as their go to form of play, the girls are always accompanied by boys just as women are with their husbands, last is that everyone is armed to the teeth, carrying guns around, and never too far from a firearm, when the topic of conversation turns to the matter of violence they don't shy away from it, they talk about killing casually as if it were no big thing to kill.

All this despite never once seeing any hint of violence, even when in altercations, the people tend to do all they can to resolve the situation peacefully, in such situations the people who seem always prepared to take a life will all of a sudden seem like doormats who detest even the mere existence of the slightest presence of hard feelings between people, even more averse to harsh words than most cities' dwellers are.

The girls asks them why they don't just do whatever they want if there are no laws and everything is permitted, they say they might if they wanted to, but in such a society there's little difference between the activities one could engage in, and they simply preferred to keep their interactions with others as civil as they could be, which means if he wants something that belongs to someone else, he's going to get it by paying for it, and only if they are willing to sell, otherwise he goes to try to get a similar item from someone or somewhere else, not because he's being fored to or threatened into doing so, but because he prefers how things work out when people respect each other's ownership rights.

One day someone else does try to steal, a man from the outside holds her a gunpoint and says that she can either give him all she has or she could be gunned down by him right there in the street. Immediately the entire population of the crowd kills him, making it apparent why everyone was so nice to everybody else, because at the end of a society committed to having a lack of government, any and all offenses against others or their property is immediately punished on the spot by execution.

Turns out that back when the city was founded by a group of criminals who wanted to live in the absence of any state, they resolved any conflicts or problems directly, it really did turn into the warzone that the girl had expected it would, and the idea of establishing a government with laws and enforcement did come up, but was ultimately rejected as the very concept of things such as a justice system was still strongly opposed by enough of the residents that the ones who suggested it were immediately disposed of by everyone else.

however, the way things were going was also unsustainable, so the criminals turned colonists decided upon a set of policies that kept everything more orderly and peaceful, everyone would leave everybody else and their property alone and all who broke this informal rule would be put down for the sake of preserving the common peace + order, as a result the city transformed into the most peaceful city in the world, also the most law abiding given that in the absence of laws there was no possible way to break laws that didn't exist. Note that as an informal rule rather than a law, it's enforcement was freely up to the discretion of those involved, if someone was such a dickbag that people generally agreed that it was better if they were to be killed, they might all decide to turn a blind eye to the guy who finally plugs the asshole.

But someone just doing a mugging at gunpoint in broad daylight right in front of the entire town? they must have a deathwish.

That's the endgame of abandoning the government, law, religion, morals, etc. as the chaos is not sustainable, either society will reform itself when people lose faith in lacking a centralized institution entrusted with a monopoly on force, or if enough people or the people with enough power/influence are especially committed to anarchy there will instead be a new paradigm for keeping peace and order, which is to create a barebones set of rules most would associate with the non-aggression, and have the loose policy of physically removing violators of these rules and the "bad neighbors" (who everyone despises despite them following the rules of the NAP) when they arise.

This is the wild west where people shoot each other for cheating at cards, but for the most part it is a very peaceful and civil society full of polite and kindly citizens that do everything to avoid incurring bad feelings in other towards themselves.

It's a dystopia, like all the other cities in the series, but the point is that the dystopic nature of such a city would ultimately be a society were people respect each other out of self interest, since failing to do so might result in death since it is out of self interest for the society to punish those who break the rules of conduct they've adopted. it's a good reason to pay attention to the local culture and etiquette when visiting someplace in a prolonged state of anarchy, in the absence of laws there must still be a way to deal with those who cause trouble, without a justice system or prisons, the sentence for serious offenses is likely to be swift, brutal, and final.

There's a reason warrior and honor cultures are usually the most polite and traditional.

[ - ] Stonkmar 0 points 2.5 yearsDec 15, 2022 10:03:51 ago (+0/-0)

We need to go back to small town sherriffs voted by the community.

[ - ] AryanPrime 0 points 2.5 yearsDec 14, 2022 19:44:10 ago (+0/-0)

no, he didn't mispell anything

kikes are the enemy

[ - ] WhiteRonin 0 points 2.5 yearsDec 14, 2022 20:00:02 ago (+0/-0)

You're definitely not White, you're clearly not very bright.

[ - ] goat777 1 point 2.5 yearsDec 14, 2022 19:48:55 ago (+1/-0)

Yep. These posts are the reason I don't come around much anymore. This place is absolutely infested.

[ - ] Indoctrinated_USA 4 points 2.5 yearsDec 14, 2022 15:50:24 ago (+4/-0)

In a society whose government has been ovethrown, such as our own, law becomes not justice, but merely a means to inflict violence on the government's opposition within the citizenry.

In such a circumstance, OP is correct, there is no law, no prohibition should the individual feel sufficient need to transgress it. The obvious counter is that should the transgression be prosecuted - there is no promise of Constitutional protections or rights.

Look to January 6th. There is nothing legal about the way those men and women were detained, prosecuted, tried or convicted. They are political prisoners and have not experienced a government that respect rights of the citizenry.

[ - ] AmalekTheZOG 3 points 2.5 yearsDec 14, 2022 13:08:50 ago (+3/-0)

When the consequences of compliance are about the same as resistance, resistance becomes hip.

[ - ] AntiPostmodernist [op] 1 point 2.5 yearsDec 14, 2022 13:35:38 ago (+1/-0)

The establishment knows this, so they will always make it a little easier to conform, give them something to lose by rebelling.

[ - ] AmalekTheZOG 1 point 2.5 yearsDec 14, 2022 14:25:41 ago (+1/-0)

But sometimes they go the way of the stasi because economics.

[ - ] RedBarchetta 2 points 2.5 yearsDec 14, 2022 11:43:21 ago (+2/-0)

As long as there are those that would uphold the laws of the state, the laws exist. Solution. Remove those that would uphold the laws.

Anarchy. Bedlam - Dictatorship. China would love that to happen.

[ - ] AmalekTheZOG 0 points 2.5 yearsDec 14, 2022 14:31:03 ago (+0/-0)

Yeah there is the pickle...
The people useful during war time do not hold the values required for peace.

Anarchists could fight the same enemy as nationalists but after burning everything down the nationalists have to shoot all the anarchists to rebuild.

[ - ] Clubberlang 2 points 2.5 yearsDec 14, 2022 14:27:54 ago (+2/-0)

Point in case the 5000 dollar fine fuckstralia was handing out to people found outside of their 5km tyranny radius until bioweapon injection improved.

[ - ] GrayDragon 1 point 2.5 yearsDec 14, 2022 13:06:33 ago (+1/-0)

What significant laws have you broken?

[ - ] AmalekTheZOG 6 points 2.5 yearsDec 14, 2022 13:09:33 ago (+6/-0)

Nice try, rabbi.

[ - ] AmalekTheZOG 1 point 2.5 yearsDec 14, 2022 13:10:02 ago (+1/-0)

Nice try, rabbi.

[ - ] AntiPostmodernist [op] 0 points 2.5 yearsDec 14, 2022 13:08:54 ago (+0/-0)

I've done violent crimes and property crimes.

[ - ] 2Drunk 0 points 2.5 yearsDec 14, 2022 18:17:04 ago (+0/-0)

I beat your wife.

[ - ] MasklessTheGreat 1 point 2.5 yearsDec 14, 2022 16:08:14 ago (+1/-0)

Seems like niggers are already one step ahead on this one.

[ - ] Prairie 1 point 2.5 yearsDec 14, 2022 20:46:46 ago (+1/-0)

Once government has lost legitimacy it's merely a gang of thugs with a lot of weaponry.

[ - ] deleted 0 points 2.5 yearsDec 14, 2022 11:43:57 ago (+0/-0)*

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[ - ] AntiPostmodernist [op] 1 point 2.5 yearsDec 14, 2022 13:15:19 ago (+1/-0)

Right comes from Might, for Might is what Right is made of.
Right without Might may as well not be anything at all.
It is not the words or ideas but their enforcement which gives them substance.

[ - ] AmalekTheZOG 3 points 2.5 yearsDec 14, 2022 14:28:53 ago (+3/-0)

You can't be peaceful without being DANGEROUS.

If you are peaceful without being DANGEROUS you aren't peaceful, you are simply harmless and usually cowering in compliance.

Always remain DANGEROUS.

[ - ] AmalekTheZOG 1 point 2.5 yearsDec 14, 2022 14:32:59 ago (+1/-0)

Goddamn right.

To be held in high regard by ((("men" of low character"))) is an empty worthless prize.

[ - ] voatersaredumbasses 0 points 2.5 yearsDec 14, 2022 20:37:36 ago (+0/-0)

Impotent faggot.

[ - ] deleted 0 points 2.5 yearsDec 14, 2022 22:36:55 ago (+0/-0)

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[ - ] TheNoticing 0 points 2.5 yearsDec 14, 2022 17:20:37 ago (+0/-0)

The pigs: "rEsPeCt mY aUtHoRiTaYY!"

[ - ] AntiPostmodernist [op] 0 points 2.5 yearsDec 14, 2022 21:35:04 ago (+0/-0)

"I deny it's existence, fite me faggot."

[ - ] Bottled_Tears 0 points 2.5 yearsDec 14, 2022 18:19:33 ago (+0/-0)

Like Oregon

[ - ] voatersaredumbasses 0 points 2.5 yearsDec 14, 2022 20:34:46 ago (+0/-0)

So have at it. What's stopping you since the state is illigitimate? Come on! Start a movement faggot! We're right behind you.

[ - ] bonghits4jeebus 0 points 2.5 yearsDec 15, 2022 00:29:32 ago (+0/-0)

Laws should be ignored when they are immoral. To use a normie analogy: The law may say to turn in your jewish neighbor, but you shouldn't do it.

[ - ] Joe_McCarthy 0 points 2.5 yearsDec 15, 2022 00:47:23 ago (+0/-0)

The key question here is how much can you get away with breaking the law?

This is part and parcel of a revolutionary lifestyle. The question of whether to and how much to submit to the law.

And to consider that one should first read this:

https://www.voat.xyz/viewpost.php?postid=635d9e4ae00db

Then consider how much one is willing to lose and whether it is likely the state will leave you alone if giving you publicity will harm national security. Governments have a compelling state interest in not giving terrorists publicity for their cause. And depending on what kind of person you are you could be a threat to them that could effectively make you above the law. Or some laws.

Of course whatever factors go into this you'll ultimately have to test the law to see if they arrest or prosecute. And you should ask whether whatever law you are thinking of breaking serves the greater cause.

[ - ] Anus_Expander 0 points 2.5 yearsDec 15, 2022 13:24:44 ago (+0/-0)

And then the ZOG throws you in jail where your anus gets expanded several times a day by Tyrone and Cletus

[ - ] AntiPostmodernist [op] 0 points 2.5 yearsDec 15, 2022 19:41:35 ago (+0/-0)

You're the type who only reads the headlines, aren't you?
Or maybe you are the type who cannot comprehend the meaning of what is written when you read it.