Saturnalia is not in the same timeframe as the winter solstice and the changing of the sun in the horizon. Saturnalia is closer to Chanuka time frames.
17-23 is a common agreement among historians but...things get a bit messy and open ended during winter harvest festivals.
As a result of the close proximity of dates, many Christians in western Europe continued to celebrate traditional Saturnalia customs in association with Christmas and the surrounding holidays.[106][111][14] Like Saturnalia, Christmas during the Middle Ages was a time of ruckus, drinking, gambling, and overeating.[14] The tradition of the Saturnalicius princeps was particularly influential.[111][14] In medieval France and Switzerland, a boy would be elected "bishop for a day" on 28 December (the Feast of the Holy Innocents)[111][14] and would issue decrees much like the Saturnalicius princeps.[111][14] The boy bishop's tenure ended during the evening vespers.[112] This custom was common across western Europe, but varied considerably by region;[112] in some places, the boy bishop's orders could become quite rowdy and unrestrained,[112] but, in others, his power was only ceremonial.[112] In some parts of France, during the boy bishop's tenure, the actual clergy would wear masks or dress in women's clothing, a reversal of roles in line with the traditional character of Saturnalia.[14]
It's an IQ test. If you make it to your teens thinking Jesus was born on Dec 25 you won't be picked for any secret societies you are too fucking dumb.
The birth is calculated via John the Baptist who was six months before Jesus. Jesus was likely born septemberissh or earlier depending on who you talk to.
The (((Bible))) actually tells you when Jesus was born.
Luke 2:8And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.
A Good Pagan reads this, and knows shepherds don't guard their flock at night in the winter at Solstice. Shepherds, even Jewish ones, are practical and don't do this. Shepherds guard their flock at night when there are lambs in the flock which attract predators. So, the birth of Jesus was in the spring.
The sad lesson that needs to be learned here is that a Pagan knows more about the contents of the Christ-Cuck's holy book than the Christ-Cuck.
I wonder what else the Christ-Cuck is misinterpreting? Probably all of it. No self respecting White man would ever worship a Jew.
Except it doesn't really get that cold at the equator, so Shepherds can still guard their flock during the winter, because it never really gets that cold. Unlike the northern European latitudes where it does. Clearly because winters are harsh in northern Europe, it stands to reason that it is also cold and harsh near the equator. Why it's a regular ol' winter wonderland near the Saharan desert. /S
Why do you retards keep on talking about temperature? We aren't talking about temperature. We are talking about the mating timelines of sheep.
Spring: Lambs are born and this is when flocks are vulnerable to predators. Thus shepherds live with the flocks at this time. Summer: Lambs are grown enough, the flock can take care of itself for the most part. Maybe leave some livestock dogs and the lying kid from the village nobody likes. Hopefully the predator eats the lying kid instead of the sheep. Fall: Culling of the flock. All that remains are pregnant ewes and a couple of rams. Winter: Flocks are corralled for the winter. Fodder is expensive, so the flock is kept at a minimum size.
So, it has nothing to do with temperature. It's just that spring is when the flock needs to be guarded because the lambs will be picked off by predators.
Luke 2:8 doesn't mention temperature. It talks about shepherds in the field. This isn't speculation or changing the topic. It's talking about what's in the Bible.
You must be a Christ-Cuck. Nobody can completely misunderstand the Bible better than a Christ-Cuck.
Dude, I own a ranch, occasionally with sheep. But, go ahead, I bet the guy who symbolically eats the flesh and drinks the blood of a Jew every Sunday can tell me why he knows more about sheep than I do. /s
For bonus points do it while standing on your head praising Jesus!
Sure you do talmudcuck. Only reason you say spring is because jews sacrifice sheep for passover. There's no reason to not look after your sheep at night especially if there's a bunch of people in town.
LOL, you think shepherds keep their sheep in town? Yeah, the sheep just wander around. Go into cafes to order a coffee. That one over there is playing Nintendo. The black one is feeding the ducks at the park. Just thousands and thousands of sheep that totally don't need fields of grass to graze on. They just adapted to urban life.
If there's a lot of foreigners on your land that aren't natives, the propensity for thrives increases, talmudcuck. Lots of Nintendos back in the time of Christ, or were things more rural in general?
Shepherds guard their flock at night when there are lambs in the flock which attract predators.
Depends on if there are predators large enough to attack full grown sheep. I'm not sure abut the areas wildlife, but wild dogs are one of the biggest threats to full grown sheep.
No, the common assumption is that Kike-Jesus was born on Kikemas on December 25th. It's kinda the WHOLE POINT of Kikemas.
I've literally always been told that the true birth of Christ was in the spring, but it is celebrated on Christmas.
Christ-Cucks don't even know what is in their own (((Bible))). That's why they believe stupid shit.
It's more so an issue of not knowing when certain species in the area went extinct. The book of kings, and the passage Kings 2:23-24, is very likely to predate Jesus by five hundred years or more. The point I'm trying to make is sheep have to be guarded year round as anything dog sized or larger will eat them.
Good post OP. I hope you had a wonderful Christmas. This is the kind of middle ground I hope to find with Christians.
Yes, Christianity has jewish origins. Yes it was a cultural atrack on Whites and destroyed the Pagan Roman empire and was forced on the rest of Europe. Yes, the details and consequences of this must be discussed within our movement. I won't back down on these points.
However, lots of Whites are Christian and I'm also seeing effective movement of Christians naming and opposing the jew. Credit where it's due. I can admit that Christianity has been shaped by Whites for a long time and that matters. "The jews killed Jesus" is a potent message, especially for normie tier follower minds, which we should treat as a resource to be won, not an enemy to oppose. I do think Christianity can be significantly de-jewed, and that this needs to be done by Christian leaders who understand the uncomfortable truths I mentioned about it's origins, and that doing so will allow them to bring glory back to their cherished religion. I've talked to Christians who agree with this.
I think anyone who understands all of this understands the middle ground where Whites can fight the spiritual aspect of this war, which I consider foundational to everything else.
Jesus was probably born in the spring. The Bible specifically says the flocks had new lambs in the fields which is why the shepherds were guarding them. So that’s that. Jesus was killed when he was 33 1/3 years old. So Jesus was born in the spring and died in the fall. So now why do we have all these weird dates for the birth and death of Jesus? In the pagan “religions” there was a festival for mid-winter. To celebrate for that. And the fertility festival in the spring. Can’t have pagans having festivals. So the “church” cooped those festivals and move them to match with the birth and death of Jesus.
He wasn't born on the 25th of December. What day you celebrate his birthday is irrelevant. I believe the 25th was chosen because it is just a few days after the solstice, where the days start becoming longer. This is symbolic that Jesus overcomes the darkness.
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Jews
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He was the jew that stole Christianity and conspired with Rome to make a cult to serve the jew and Rome.
Nazarenes and mandaens might be a trifle more legitimate.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandaeism
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazarene
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Also zeitgeist (your source) is full of shit
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As a result of the close proximity of dates, many Christians in western Europe continued to celebrate traditional Saturnalia customs in association with Christmas and the surrounding holidays.[106][111][14] Like Saturnalia, Christmas during the Middle Ages was a time of ruckus, drinking, gambling, and overeating.[14] The tradition of the Saturnalicius princeps was particularly influential.[111][14] In medieval France and Switzerland, a boy would be elected "bishop for a day" on 28 December (the Feast of the Holy Innocents)[111][14] and would issue decrees much like the Saturnalicius princeps.[111][14] The boy bishop's tenure ended during the evening vespers.[112] This custom was common across western Europe, but varied considerably by region;[112] in some places, the boy bishop's orders could become quite rowdy and unrestrained,[112] but, in others, his power was only ceremonial.[112] In some parts of France, during the boy bishop's tenure, the actual clergy would wear masks or dress in women's clothing, a reversal of roles in line with the traditional character of Saturnalia.[14]
The solstice is the 21 December approx.
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https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/122/427/976/original/c0e13d66b465e04c.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAAoayeSoPw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm6XuYdqWsc
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It's an IQ test. If you make it to your teens thinking Jesus was born on Dec 25 you won't be picked for any secret societies you are too fucking dumb.
The birth is calculated via John the Baptist who was six months before Jesus. Jesus was likely born septemberissh or earlier depending on who you talk to.
Skip to the thirteen minute mark for a deep dive
https://www.bitchute.com/video/OnC7zraAjxUK/
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Luke 2:8 And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.
A Good Pagan reads this, and knows shepherds don't guard their flock at night in the winter at Solstice. Shepherds, even Jewish ones, are practical and don't do this. Shepherds guard their flock at night when there are lambs in the flock which attract predators. So, the birth of Jesus was in the spring.
The sad lesson that needs to be learned here is that a Pagan knows more about the contents of the Christ-Cuck's holy book than the Christ-Cuck.
I wonder what else the Christ-Cuck is misinterpreting? Probably all of it. No self respecting White man would ever worship a Jew.
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Spring: Lambs are born and this is when flocks are vulnerable to predators. Thus shepherds live with the flocks at this time.
Summer: Lambs are grown enough, the flock can take care of itself for the most part. Maybe leave some livestock dogs and the lying kid from the village nobody likes. Hopefully the predator eats the lying kid instead of the sheep.
Fall: Culling of the flock. All that remains are pregnant ewes and a couple of rams.
Winter: Flocks are corralled for the winter. Fodder is expensive, so the flock is kept at a minimum size.
So, it has nothing to do with temperature. It's just that spring is when the flock needs to be guarded because the lambs will be picked off by predators.
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You must be a Christ-Cuck. Nobody can completely misunderstand the Bible better than a Christ-Cuck.
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But, go ahead, I bet the guy who symbolically eats the flesh and drinks the blood of a Jew every Sunday can tell me why he knows more about sheep than I do. /s
For bonus points do it while standing on your head praising Jesus!
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Christ-Cucks don't even know what is in their own (((Bible))). That's why they believe stupid shit.
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The point I'm trying to make is sheep have to be guarded year round as anything dog sized or larger will eat them.
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Yes, Christianity has jewish origins. Yes it was a cultural atrack on Whites and destroyed the Pagan Roman empire and was forced on the rest of Europe. Yes, the details and consequences of this must be discussed within our movement. I won't back down on these points.
However, lots of Whites are Christian and I'm also seeing effective movement of Christians naming and opposing the jew. Credit where it's due. I can admit that Christianity has been shaped by Whites for a long time and that matters. "The jews killed Jesus" is a potent message, especially for normie tier follower minds, which we should treat as a resource to be won, not an enemy to oppose. I do think Christianity can be significantly de-jewed, and that this needs to be done by Christian leaders who understand the uncomfortable truths I mentioned about it's origins, and that doing so will allow them to bring glory back to their cherished religion. I've talked to Christians who agree with this.
I think anyone who understands all of this understands the middle ground where Whites can fight the spiritual aspect of this war, which I consider foundational to everything else.
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