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When Russians talk about Ukrainian 'Nazis' it's insincere and describes people that are basically no more based than they are

submitted by Joe_McCarthy to OccidentalEnclave 2.4 yearsFeb 1, 2023 19:40:43 ago (+0/-6)     (OccidentalEnclave)

Russians and Ukrainians are very similar on a values and attitudes measurement. Some years ago I saw data assessing positions of various groups in the West and Europe. Eastern Europeans generally scored more nationalistic, Western Europeans more pozzed, and Americans in between but closer to Eastern Europeans than Western Europeans.

There are a lot of 'Nazis' in Russia. Some of which decry 'Nazis' in Ukraine. Dugin would be a good example. But what Russians actually mean when they talk about Nazis is Ukrainian Nazis that don't like Russia. It is propaganda.

Indeed, Russia's Communist Party, technically a far left group, is effectively a far right populist party - and arguably was from the middle Stalin period on.

https://www.islam-radio.net/islam/english/jewishp/russia/ziug.htm

https://counter-currents.com/2013/03/stalins-fight-against-international-communism/

Vladimir Putin is a Russian conservative. That is a conservative not encumbered by the liberal theory constantly found among conservatives in the Anglosphere. He is also a conservative that has no problem associating with the far right in and of itself.


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[ - ] Spaceman84 2 points 2.4 yearsFeb 1, 2023 21:01:42 ago (+2/-0)

Did you do a big think on this one Joe? This was obvious bait to everyone several months ago.

[ - ] Joe_McCarthy [op] -2 points 2.4 yearsFeb 1, 2023 21:07:25 ago (+1/-3)*

No. Stuff like this was obvious to anyone with a brain with any knowledge of the situation over there with even a hint of understanding of geopolitics or national security oriented issues a long time ago. But how many HERE have brains? You have people that just blame this on Jews or take Russia's Nazi baiting entirely at face value. Not that all of them are necessarily sincere themselves of course...

[ - ] Spaceman84 2 points 2.4 yearsFeb 1, 2023 21:24:39 ago (+2/-0)

My apologies, this is the first I've seen you remark on it. I was laughing my ass off when Putin played the Nazi card on ZOG.

[ - ] Joe_McCarthy [op] -2 points 2.4 yearsFeb 1, 2023 21:37:27 ago (+0/-2)

Well, it is pretty obvious Russia's talk of a 'brown revolution' was correct with Euromaidan - and as an aside a scene from Euromaidan didn't make it on to the cover of Siege for nothing...

https://media.9news.com/assets/KUSA/images/86bc39b0-1bcd-4ff0-8efc-99604decdb2f/86bc39b0-1bcd-4ff0-8efc-99604decdb2f_1140x641.jpg

But those toughs that overthrew the more Russia friendly government were quickly sidelined by much less fascistic elements - as we have seen. But Putin's problem is these people like Right Sector, Azov, Svoboda, etc., hate Russia not that they are 'Nazis'.

[ - ] Sector7 2 points 2.4 yearsFeb 1, 2023 20:33:05 ago (+2/-0)

Russians have a 'nazi' phobia for the Ukronazis, mainly because of all the torture-murder videos of Russians they've published since the US coup in 2014. If you remember that ancient Russian grandmother who greeted the soldiers in her yard with the red flag, mistakenly thinking they were Russian, the SBU has apparently recently tortured her to death and burned her body.

Anyone fighting on the ukronazi side is fighting to keep the ability to torture and murder ethnic Russians.

Elensky himself is on video saying he wants to bomb their schools and make them hide in bunkers. Ukraine is a jewish op.

[ - ] Joe_McCarthy [op] -2 points 2.4 yearsFeb 1, 2023 20:41:32 ago (+0/-2)

From the perspective of Ukrainian nationalists Russia is an oppressive, domineering power. It has much to do with history - history I'm no expert on - but I suppose Ukrainian nationalists in Galicia and points near Lvov that admire Bandera are similar to Irish nationalists that think Ulster Unionists have a false consciousness in identifying as British rather than Irish. I'm not sure these eastern Ukrainians are properly described as ethnic Russians in most cases. Russian speaking in many cases, yes.

But the point is that Russia uses the Nazi label because it already has a bad smell. They'll deal with Nazis that are not hostile to Russia. Plainly. The key is whether 'Nazis' or any group is adversarial to Russian interests. Indeed, this should go without saying.

[ - ] VarlotPsykhe 1 point 2.4 yearsFeb 1, 2023 22:39:31 ago (+1/-0)

"from the perspective of"
Hold up, where did all the corrupt oligarchs puțin wouldn't give access and power to fled to which country? Where did they flee to, Joe?

Ukraine.

Oh. Oh it's starting to make more sense now, Joe. You fucking glowing one.

[ - ] Joe_McCarthy [op] -2 points 2.4 yearsFeb 1, 2023 22:51:52 ago (+0/-2)

So you think people like Right Sector and Svoboda that were in the streets of Kiev in 2014 battling Ukrainian police are oligarchs that fled Russia?

It's not so much that you don't know what you're talking about. It's that you apparently don't even know what you need to know to understand what I know. Anyone that understands Ukraine even going back to 2014 will immediately get what I'm saying. Instead you call me a cop.

[ - ] IfuckedYerMum 1 point 2.4 yearsFeb 1, 2023 23:42:39 ago (+1/-0)

Dugin isn't a "nazi," you complete fucking retard.

[ - ] Joe_McCarthy [op] -1 points 2.4 yearsFeb 1, 2023 23:55:16 ago (+0/-1)

Read moar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Dugin

In 1997, his article, "Fascism – Borderless and Red", described "national capitalism" as pre-empting the development of a "genuine, true, radically revolutionary and consistent, fascist fascism" in Russia. He believes that it was "by no means the racist and chauvinist aspects of National Socialism that determined the nature of its ideology. The excesses of this ideology in Germany are a matter exclusively of the Germans ... while Russian fascism is a combination of natural national conservatism with a passionate desire for true changes." The "Waffen-SS and especially the scientific sector of this organization, Ahnenerbe," was "an intellectual oasis in the framework of the National Socialist regime", according to him.

[ - ] IfuckedYerMum 1 point 2.4 yearsFeb 2, 2023 00:00:32 ago (+1/-0)

You might want to read what you posted.

Dugin is a Eurasianist and a national bolshevik. He is not a National Socialist in any way, shape, or form.

[ - ] Joe_McCarthy [op] -1 points 2.4 yearsFeb 2, 2023 00:04:32 ago (+0/-1)

National Bolshevism is very very close to the fascist spectrum. You're a total maroon if you claim there are no affinities.

[ - ] IfuckedYerMum 1 point 2.4 yearsFeb 2, 2023 00:06:54 ago (+1/-0)

You're the maroon if you think the Soviets aren't still running the show. They're called oligarchs now, and none of them, nor Dugin, are National Socialists.

[ - ] Spaceman84 1 point 2.4 yearsFeb 1, 2023 20:59:26 ago (+1/-0)

They're just playing off the 'white supremacy is the greatest threat to democracy' bullshit put out by every Western nation. Literally trolling.

[ - ] Joe_McCarthy [op] -2 points 2.4 yearsFeb 1, 2023 20:13:16 ago (+0/-2)

[ - ] Spaceman84 1 point 2.4 yearsFeb 1, 2023 21:26:38 ago (+1/-0)

Installed by kikes, realized far too late that the kikes were intent on destroying the nation he ruled.

[ - ] VarlotPsykhe 1 point 2.4 yearsFeb 1, 2023 22:40:25 ago (+1/-0)

Only a glowing one or a boomer or a legitimate double digit IQ person would still assume modern imperial Russia is somehow communist. Absolute L take.

[ - ] Joe_McCarthy [op] -2 points 2.4 yearsFeb 1, 2023 22:54:35 ago (+0/-2)

Yeah? And me calling Putin a conservative plays into this how exactly?