How beef started: Prigozhin asked to coordinate all moves with Russian defence department run by very close Putin's friend Shoigu. Shoigu: your mission to take over Bahmut! Prigozhin: I need resources (soldiers and ammo) Longer we wait more difficult will be to progress. Ukrainians puting mines as they retrieve and blowing all bridges. Putin: You can choose untrained recruits from our prison system. I will pardon any prisoner doesn't matter what he did in past if he serves 6 month on front lines.
Final days of Bakhmut: Huge offensive operation were planned. Russian military will help to take last part of city, but in middle of fierce fighting Russian army retrieved. Wgner took city but suffer huge damage.
After this victory Prigozhin told that Russian army should take over Bakmut from them because his soldiers will leave and will not be involved in this war until Shoigu will face tribunal as traitor.
Fast forward to two days ago. Prigozhin in his Telegram channel released statement: "This is not war, but looting operation" When we Russian patriots are fighting for future of Russia Shoigu is sending recruits to load wagons with anything they can salvage from controlled territories.
Yesterday Prigozhin told that Shoigu attacked his units. First he hit with missiles, than send helicopters to finish job. So know he is heading home and like to see Shoigu to face music for his actions.
Today FBS (former KGB) issue arrest for Prigozhin for coup attempt which is capital punishment.
So here we are.
Now you're wondering why all this hysteria about Civil war?
Putin is just very old sole dictator. He didn't build his party with loyal brothers who can continue his work.
Shoigu has half million FSB agents.
Prigozhin has 25k very well trained mercenaries who will die for him.
Anather point is public opinion. After Shoigu lost Cherson city many russians asked Putin to sack him.
When Prigozhin took Bakhmut many Russians see him as new leader.
But most important thing is that many Russian military units are praising and ready to join Wagner. Because Shoigu don't have any guidelines for Russian soldiers. Is like if you die today, next day your boots will wear next recruiter until we will break our enemy with man power.
Prigozhin has 25k very well trained mercenaries who will die for him.
That's the question that decides what happens next. They died "for him" on the Ukraine battlefield because that's what they were ordered to do, and Mother Russia was backing up that order. Will they die for him when Mother Russia says the commander is a traitor and to be arrested?
This is quite the interesting turn. I suspect Prigozhin's days are numbered.
Last video he posted today about entering Rostov (Russia territory) Russian military instead of arresting greeted them as they were heroes.
He told that most of them were 18-20 yo and could be sons or great-sons to wagner fighters and he will never kill kids to make point.
Many Russian soldiers would gladly join Wagner instead to go and fight in never ending war in Ukraine. When you're to big to fail politicians pardon you and will make deal.
[ - ] chrimony 1 point 1.9 yearsJun 24, 2023 01:26:35 ago (+1/-0)
What kinda propaganda you are talking here?
Anything that comes out of Prigozhin's mouth. If his mercs are being greeted as heroes by the Russian military, show, don't tell. Of course Prigozhin wants to spin his marching into Russia while the state calls for his arrest as only receiving support.
I'm not saying it's impossible, but I don't take such statements at face value. As I said, there is propaganda on ALL sides.
[ - ] Aze 1 point 1.9 yearsJun 24, 2023 02:00:10 ago (+1/-0)
I came here to say the same thing. Nothing anyone on the TV says can be trusted one inch, and the better things are going for the Russians the worse will be our own propaganda.
To be fair as possible. I don't feed you sources of centrist Russians, instead I try to give you most pro Russia point as possible so you can decide for yourself.
You will not find another bigger pro Putin supporter as this kike.
@1:13 he makes clear that he is against the Ukraine war. Do you have any evidence this guy is pro Putin? This is Putin's war. Also, I consider the framing that Putin was lied into this war as pure political posturing to avoid going directly against Putin, who if polls are to believed, still has popular support. It's easier to blame it on general and advisors than Putin himself.
Anyways, even in that video this guy says what's really going on is unsure. He doesn't even know if those are Wagner troops. The only thing that I believe we can be reasonably sure about is that Prigozhin has gone rogue. What happens from here on out is going to be interesting times.
[ - ] chrimony 1 point 1.9 yearsJun 24, 2023 10:21:48 ago (+1/-0)
Nobody knows wtf is going to happen.
Yeah, that's what I said.
Today you turned 180% and blaming Russian soldiers who fought in Ukraine.
I didn't turn anything. I don't know what you're talking about.
Can you explain what Wagner soldiers did wrong in past 16 months to make you hate them?
I don't hate them. I'm just trying to figure out what's going on. You're getting your panties in a bunch because I'm pointing out the difference between propaganda and facts.
You spent time reading wall of text in sub you don't care written in very very bad English. Is like go to cats sub and tell what pornstars you find attractive.
I would say is ok because is Friday and you're fucked, but you always bitching about stupid things like asking posting or comment limits. OMFG boekanier just posted 5 posts how we will survive without post limit to 3 post per day. or maz 5 comments per day because all comments are damage your talk.lol experience.
[ - ] correctness [op] 1 point 1.9 yearsJun 24, 2023 01:15:16 ago (+1/-0)
You change your mind like a girl changes clothes. But is OK champ, @system never pay attention to your bitching about banning, limiting or restricting.
[ + ] chrimony
[ - ] chrimony 0 points 1.9 yearsJun 23, 2023 23:54:59 ago (+0/-0)
That's the question that decides what happens next. They died "for him" on the Ukraine battlefield because that's what they were ordered to do, and Mother Russia was backing up that order. Will they die for him when Mother Russia says the commander is a traitor and to be arrested?
This is quite the interesting turn. I suspect Prigozhin's days are numbered.
[ + ] correctness
[ - ] correctness [op] 0 points 1.9 yearsJun 24, 2023 00:17:40 ago (+1/-1)
He told that most of them were 18-20 yo and could be sons or great-sons to wagner fighters and he will never kill kids to make point.
Many Russian soldiers would gladly join Wagner instead to go and fight in never ending war in Ukraine. When you're to big to fail politicians pardon you and will make deal.
[ + ] chrimony
[ - ] chrimony 0 points 1.9 yearsJun 24, 2023 00:58:47 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] correctness
[ - ] correctness [op] 0 points 1.9 yearsJun 24, 2023 01:21:36 ago (+1/-1)
What kinda propaganda you are talking here?
[ + ] chrimony
[ - ] chrimony 1 point 1.9 yearsJun 24, 2023 01:26:35 ago (+1/-0)
Anything that comes out of Prigozhin's mouth. If his mercs are being greeted as heroes by the Russian military, show, don't tell. Of course Prigozhin wants to spin his marching into Russia while the state calls for his arrest as only receiving support.
I'm not saying it's impossible, but I don't take such statements at face value. As I said, there is propaganda on ALL sides.
[ + ] Aze
[ - ] Aze 1 point 1.9 yearsJun 24, 2023 02:00:10 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] correctness
[ - ] correctness [op] 0 points 1.9 yearsJun 24, 2023 02:12:25 ago (+0/-0)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4csgwCVK8e8
You will not find another bigger pro Putin supporter as this kike.
[ + ] chrimony
[ - ] chrimony 0 points 1.9 yearsJun 24, 2023 02:47:04 ago (+0/-0)
@1:13 he makes clear that he is against the Ukraine war. Do you have any evidence this guy is pro Putin? This is Putin's war. Also, I consider the framing that Putin was lied into this war as pure political posturing to avoid going directly against Putin, who if polls are to believed, still has popular support. It's easier to blame it on general and advisors than Putin himself.
Anyways, even in that video this guy says what's really going on is unsure. He doesn't even know if those are Wagner troops. The only thing that I believe we can be reasonably sure about is that Prigozhin has gone rogue. What happens from here on out is going to be interesting times.
[ + ] correctness
[ - ] correctness [op] -1 points 1.9 yearsJun 24, 2023 05:42:19 ago (+0/-1)
Today you turned 180% and blaming Russian soldiers who fought in Ukraine.
Can you explain what Wagner soldiers did wrong in past 16 months to make you hate them?
[ + ] chrimony
[ - ] chrimony 1 point 1.9 yearsJun 24, 2023 10:21:48 ago (+1/-0)
Yeah, that's what I said.
I didn't turn anything. I don't know what you're talking about.
I don't hate them. I'm just trying to figure out what's going on. You're getting your panties in a bunch because I'm pointing out the difference between propaganda and facts.
[ + ] Cunty
[ - ] Cunty 0 points 1.9 yearsJun 24, 2023 03:27:48 ago (+1/-1)
*too :).
After berating someone else about their English, you do this?, Comical!.
[ + ] correctness
[ - ] correctness [op] 0 points 1.9 yearsJun 24, 2023 03:41:58 ago (+1/-1)
I was berating myself.
It's fucking comedy gold...
WTF is wrong with you guys it's only Friday...
[ + ] PhantomXLII
[ - ] PhantomXLII 1 point 1.9 yearsJun 24, 2023 10:42:37 ago (+1/-0)
Fortunately I can. Don't worry broken English bro, the important ones on this site get what you're saying.
[ + ] 0rion
[ - ] 0rion 0 points 1.9 yearsJun 24, 2023 13:12:07 ago (+0/-0)*
[ + ] Anus_Expander
[ - ] Anus_Expander 0 points 1.9 yearsJun 24, 2023 17:18:45 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] correctness
[ - ] correctness [op] 1 point 1.9 yearsJun 23, 2023 23:29:19 ago (+1/-0)
https://files.catbox.moe/wqk4g8.mp4
[ + ] yesiknow
[ - ] yesiknow 1 point 1.9 yearsJun 24, 2023 00:47:25 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] SecretHitler
[ - ] SecretHitler 1 point 1.9 yearsJun 24, 2023 03:54:29 ago (+2/-1)
[ + ] GreenSaint
[ - ] GreenSaint 3 points 1.9 yearsJun 24, 2023 00:51:24 ago (+3/-0)
[ + ] HeyJames
[ - ] HeyJames 5 points 1.9 yearsJun 23, 2023 23:42:02 ago (+6/-1)
[ + ] correctness
[ - ] correctness [op] 0 points 1.9 yearsJun 24, 2023 00:06:01 ago (+2/-2)
You spent time reading wall of text in sub you don't care written in very very bad English. Is like go to cats sub and tell what pornstars you find attractive.
I would say is ok because is Friday and you're fucked, but you always bitching about stupid things like asking posting or comment limits. OMFG boekanier just posted 5 posts how we will survive without post limit to 3 post per day. or maz 5 comments per day because all comments are damage your talk.lol experience.
Go to bed!
[ + ] HeyJames
[ - ] HeyJames -1 points 1.9 yearsJun 24, 2023 00:53:15 ago (+0/-1)
[ + ] correctness
[ - ] correctness [op] 1 point 1.9 yearsJun 24, 2023 01:15:16 ago (+1/-0)
But is OK champ, @system never pay attention to your bitching about banning, limiting or restricting.
[ + ] HeyJames
[ - ] HeyJames -1 points 1.9 yearsJun 24, 2023 10:05:45 ago (+0/-1)