"U.S. and European officials have begun quietly talking to the Ukrainian government about what possible peace negotiations with Russia might entail to end the war."
Translation:
In this case, “peace negotiations”, is a euphemism. It really means, “negotiated surrender”, because after all of the blood and treasure (and rampant graft) already spent on this bullshit, nobody wants to come right out and say the "s" word out loud.
"According to the report, the talks were driven by growing fears among Western officials that the conflict between Kiev and Moscow “has reached a stalemate.”
Translation:
"Russia is winning."
Western countries are also said to be concerned that Ukraine is “running out of forces,” and about their own ability to continue providing aid to Kiev.
Translation:
"Ukariane is getting their asses beat like a rented mule, and regardless of what jewess Yellen says, we can't pay for two wars. We can't even pay for one war. Hell, even if we stopped all of our involvement in all jew started foriegn conflicts TODAY, we couldn't even pay for peace."
"But since the jews decided to start their own, home-grown hootenannie, and the neoclowns now have to choose who to go into even more debt for, well, they'll have to keep supporting their real bosses in israel."
I've been saying right out loud since the very beginning of this bullshit that it didn’t matter how many weapons the US/NATO sends, because Ukraine isn't going to have anyone left to use them.
I said in Feb. 2022, that the war was totally futile, regardless of any other factors, given that Russia is a much bigger country with a much bigger army.
By the way, let’s just be totally clear here: this is fake news. It’s not fake news that they’re talking about a surrender. I’m sure that’s true. But it’s fake news that the block on the surrender is the Zelensky government.
Zelensky tried to surrender in April of 2022, just weeks after the initial invasion. He publicly stated that he was engaged in discussions for surrender. Then Boris Johnson flew in and told him that the western globalist neoclown graft machine wasn’t going to allow him to do that. There was still too much money to be milked out of the west.
What this NBC News article is doing, is framing things as if the Ukraine government is really in charge.
At any point the neoclowns could have just called Zelensky and said, “Yeah, sorry, it’s over.”, and hung up the phone, and that would have been that.
[ + ] chrimony
[ - ] chrimony 1 point 1.5 yearsNov 5, 2023 08:00:57 ago (+1/-0)
Was the goal to stop the "genocide" of ethnic Russians in Ukraine? Well how many Russians died as a result of the war, versus how many were dying before.
Russia will have annexed some Russian-majority territory, while the remaining Ukraine will be more unified and out of Russia's reach politically as a result. Pyrrhic victory.
[ + ] BulletStopper
[ - ] BulletStopper [op] 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 5, 2023 08:44:01 ago (+1/-1)
Bullshit.
Putin's goal was the same as it always was back when the US/NATO signed a treaty with Russia that:
1) Ukraine would never be accepted a member of NATO, and therefore,
2) never be used to station nuclear capable tactical ballistic missile systems right on Russia's doorstep.
The US/NATO began taking steps to break that treaty almost before the ink had dried.
Ask yourself this: If Russia had done the same thing in the West, making a deal with Mexico to make them a member of a military alliance, and began preparations to station Russian made nuclear capable SS-21 "Scarab" (OTR-21 Tochka) tactical ballistic missile systems on the Mexican border with US, would you be okay with that?
Or do you think the US might take very vigorous exception? Perhaps even up to and including invading Mexico?
Do you think the US might be justified?
The areas that Russia will "annex" are:
1) Majority ethnic Russians anyway,
2) The parts of Ukraine that are resource rich and actually capable of being productive,
3) Ukraine will be left with the unproductive shitty end of the stick, after losing 1/3 of their population, and allowing the jew neoclowns in the West to destroy their economy.
In other words, the best deal that zelinsky could have gotten (but wasn't allowed to make) back in April of 2022. BEFORE the country got put through the threshing machine.
[ + ] chrimony
[ - ] chrimony 1 point 1.5 yearsNov 5, 2023 10:20:24 ago (+1/-0)
"we will pursue the demilitarisation and denazification of Ukraine"
How's that looking?
A peace deal will likely result in Ukraine joining NATO, or at least be given a guarantee of security. Ukraine will not accept peace where Russia is on their border, waiting to invade again.
I don't accept Russtard talking points that there was any credible threat of Ukraine joining NATO or nukes being stationed in Ukraine when the invasion started. Regardless, you're trying to justify the invasion, but the topic is how Russia has "won".
So unless Ukraine capitulates to being a Russian puppet state, nothing will have changed in that regard. If anything, it's going to be worse, because Ukraine will not have to deal with Russian-dissident territories and will be unified in their opposition to Russia and a political alignment with the West. Also, Finland is now a part of NATO and on Russia's border, a direct result of Putin's invasion.
[ + ] BulletStopper
[ - ] BulletStopper [op] 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 5, 2023 11:58:34 ago (+0/-0)
1) It serves the useful purpose of informing me who I can safely afford to ignore entirely about any subject at all, because some people are simply uneducable.
2) We'll never have to have it again. I am simply to old to waste any more time on you or those like you.
Bye bye porkchop
[ + ] chrimony
[ - ] chrimony 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 5, 2023 12:36:10 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX -1 points 1.5 yearsNov 5, 2023 09:00:05 ago (+0/-1)
And yes, the new donbass region is now safe and secure, unlike before. The reason for the loss of so many Russian troops, hugely exaggerated by Ukraine, was because the US and EU sent Ukraine hundreds of billions of dollars and wasted the lives of 700,000 to 1,000,000 Ukrainians to do it.
Russia has annexed the region, recognizes them as sovereign states that are no longer a part of Ukraine, and will allow them to vote to join Russia, which they likely will, just like Crimea did. Another stated Russian goal.
It was not a pyrrhic victory. It was a direct poke in the eye of the US, the EU, and NATO, which Ukraine will never be allowed to join. Yet another stated goal of Russia.
[ + ] chrimony
[ - ] chrimony 1 point 1.5 yearsNov 5, 2023 10:09:25 ago (+1/-0)
Blatantly lying, as usual: "we will pursue the demilitarisation and denazification of Ukraine"
Spin it all you like, that's what he said.
Lulz, it's an active war zone, and Russians are dying to this very day to defend it, adding to the piles of dead Russians that have already resulted from this "special military operation". Magnitudes more Russians have died within the past two years than in all the years before the invasion.
Ridiculously inflates Ukrainian losses while trying to call out Ukraine for the same propaganda. The reason there are so many dead Russian troops is because Putin chose to invade. Whining about US and EU help is just that, tears of a crybaby.
I mean, who could have predicted that would happen? Like literally anybody on the planet once Kyiv didn't fall and this turned into WW2 style entrenched warfare. Putin gambled on a quick decapitation strike and lost.
Aside from all the dead Russians, the huge amounts of stockpile burned through, the loss of incredibly expensive military and dual-use civilian assets, and the end of political influence in Ukraine once the war is over. Other than that, huge success!
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 5, 2023 13:25:10 ago (+0/-0)
Completely out of context if he said that at all. Go listen to the speech he gave the night before he entered. The goal was to separate Ukraine from the donbass and prevent Ukraine from jointing NATO, which is exactly what they did.
The donbass is not an active war zone beyond the front line which doesn't really move any more, and the attacks are limited to only what Ukraine can muster which, by their own admission, is remote nuisance drone attacks, minor terrorist activity targeting civilian targets, and getting destroyed when the Russians find military vehicles or mobile weapons.
There are 50-70,000 dead Russians for 700,000 to 1,000,000 dead Ukrainians and these deaths were made possible exclusively due to US and EU military aid to get Ukrainian politicians, defense contractors and companies that will be given money to rebuild, rich. This could have ended under the exact same set of circumstances that were offered in March of 2022, with far, far less dead white people. And, now that the US is back on Israel's dick, you can look for Zelensky to be killed and Ukraine abandoned like we did Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and Yemen.
Kiev was NEVER a target. Never. Even on the day before the invasion, Putin SPECIFICALLY STATED Kiev was not a target nor was there an attempt to "take Ukraine". That's western media bullshit. At the outset of the incursion, Putin ordered supply lines destroyed. That's what the western media is using to suggest Russia was trying to "take Ukraine" and Kiev. Utter horseshit.
You seriously want to compare the cost of this war between Russia and Ukraine/west? China and Russia are closer allies than ever. The BRICS are stronger than ever. Russia has the best relations in Africa than ever before, and the 2% loss (the US was expecting a 20% decline) of Russian GDP from the sanctions are almost recovered. And, the Europeans are suffering the most from the US blowing up the German-Russian pipeline with the 40% increase in energy costs, which will cause massive inflation over the next few years. Hell, even Ukraine is buying deisle from Russia. The US is losing world reserve currency status. Saudi is accepting Rubles and Yuan and Tiawan is now concerned that they will be cut off from the west. India is renegotiating our agreements with the US over exposed US hegemony, and the BRICS are working on their own currency. Ffs, they had to false flag an attack on Israel to distract from the horrible outcome of this proxy war. We aren't hurting Russia, we are destroying our own economy and our own relations with Brizil, India, China, and Indonesia to poke at Russia.