Doesn't seem like theres any other peaceable way if the sane element of the public wants to avoid a civil war with a government that is effectively ruling by intimidation, secret police, and decree.
No. One of the elements of refusal is to not give sanction to voting through participation. We are moving toward a post-state society.
As such the recognition that the liberal system is no different than fascism must be appreciated. No one agrees to abide by these laws as we are born under them. They are just imposed upon us. The definitive work for the kind of contract or consentual buy in society desired is of course Hoppe's work.
[ - ] prototype [op] 1 point 1.4 yearsFeb 1, 2024 13:49:09 ago (+1/-0)
No. One of the elements of refusal is to not give sanction to voting through participation.
I disagree. I don't think you're so obtuse to misread me here. The post is talking about setting up a parallel election system, electing our own officials, not participating in the existing one.
I'm uninterested in 'muh libertarianism' distraction fodder that the general public tunes out.
This is why anarchists get it wrong. You don't like where the political structure ends up, so you say to hell with all political structures. But it wasn't the political structure that fucked the people over, it was, and always has been, a specific group of people who worked with the political structure to fucked the people. Don't hate the game, hate the playas.
You will call the police the moment you feel you are in danger. This was proven during the BLM riots when the dressed in all black anarchists called the police.
I'm not even particularly invested in defending historical anarchists - and I'm a recent convert even if I've long had tendencies - but that is a hilariously superficial critique of anarchism.
My version will work because it reduces everything to man's core, inner drives. Modern society is very fake and shallow, and increasingly does not even fulfill needs on a basic level. When that reality is met it is only for a new society to be conceived and implemented. We are in the midst of revolutionary conditions - but no one else has the vision I do. No matter though. You'll all get on board just the same.
Overpopulation outside of Africa is largely a function of the Green Revolution. You don't get that without property rights.
More generally property rights are the basis of a need for the state and of economic inequality - which creates a host of evils which provide real benefit to maybe 5% of the population. Property is also theft. So there's that.
if we're heading for a civil war, best believe a parallel government is going to be necessary so something worse doesn't take over.
the purpose of destabilization is to replace the government with something better, not to leave a vacuum that invites something worse.
think about it. if you, and people like you, don't put contingencies in place, it is guaranteed someone else will. ask yourself, which would you rather have? thats what I asked, and its what you should be asking right now.
Every single society that implemented VOTING destroys itself.
Thats a symptom looking for a cause.
The people are used to voting. It's the paradigm of the day. They're not going to accept anything else on offer, unless that radically different solution happens to be offered in just the right way, and the regime is the only one equipped to carry out that sort of sea-change.
You gotta work with what people are ready to accept, not propose perfect systems that no one is accustomed to. Basic takeaway from the overton window--unfortunate, but true.
The system does not need to be perfect. You just need a model family that reflects the look and customs of the people. This family needs to have direct connection to the people they rule. And the people must have a way to bring it guillotines.
This system has worked far far longer than any democratic system.
Remember. A king is only as great and powerful as his people and his country.
The UK does not have a king currently. He is just a celebrity with no power.
They vote. And they are collapsing.
The problem with voting is the people never vote to work harder to make the country better
[ - ] prototype [op] 1 point 1.4 yearsFeb 1, 2024 15:21:06 ago (+1/-0)*
We are not heading for a civil war.
America is, but not the variety they're talking about. I knew this long before any of this became a mainstream narrative.
The regime is doing everything in its power to prevent one, in order to stay in power. You can see it in their errant foaming at the mouth fearmongering about it. Basic reverse psychology. Every bot of theirs on the internet is ranting about "muh powers-that-be WANT a civil war so they can impose duh mArShAlL law on us all!" in the hopes everyone will 'remain calm and carry on' and fight against a civil war breaking out. Surest sign the regime is worried about it.
Other than that, anocracy, which is what we're seeing, and its the best predictor invented yet, for predicting civil breakdown.
The u.s. will fail to reindustrialization fast enough to effectively counter BRICs and China. The consequence of this is financial, cost-of-living, and internecine issues will come to the forefront, and precipitate "other solutions." Controlled fighting between the states will be used to determine the outcome in favor of the federalists and their regime of ever-encroaching taxes, and overreach. Censorship and gun control are going to make a huge comeback. No one believes me when I write it. They'll believe me when everything I just wrote comes to pass.
Realistically, probably not then either. Like shouting into the wind.
I wonder how much you think something like that would cost, and how you'd stop the steal when they can't even keep the actual elections from being rigged.
I offer over 15000 hours of strategy and 4X games collectively as experience in empire management.
I am a White man with a White family, looking to empower White people and White families with a focus on isolationism as far as foreign policy is concerned.
[ - ] Not_C 1 point 1.4 yearsFeb 1, 2024 18:47:09 ago (+1/-0)
United Counties of America -
A county declares that it will uphold the Constitution. Keep gun rights. Etc. Meanwhile, all DEI practices are illegal, all illegal invaders and anyone assisting them are prosecuted. Along with other highly divisive issues.
Any politicians within the county who do not support these measures are immediately run out of the county.
All counties that implement these rules unite and work together to uphold their laws. Regardless of the state or federal government.
Each individual county is small enough to be controlled by the grassroots community formed within it. Meanwhile, uniting these individual counties allows them to have enough power to exist and enforce their rules.
[ + ] Lordbananafist
[ - ] Lordbananafist 2 points 1.4 yearsFeb 1, 2024 13:33:14 ago (+2/-0)
“I deserve to vote”
[ + ] Joe_McCarthy
[ - ] Joe_McCarthy 0 points 1.4 yearsFeb 1, 2024 13:46:35 ago (+0/-0)
As such the recognition that the liberal system is no different than fascism must be appreciated. No one agrees to abide by these laws as we are born under them. They are just imposed upon us. The definitive work for the kind of contract or consentual buy in society desired is of course Hoppe's work.
https://zlibrary-asia.se/book/5250517/6218a7/democracy-the-god-that-failed-the-economics-and-politics-of-monarchy-democracy-and-natural-orde.html
[ + ] prototype
[ - ] prototype [op] 1 point 1.4 yearsFeb 1, 2024 13:49:09 ago (+1/-0)
I disagree. I don't think you're so obtuse to misread me here. The post is talking about setting up a parallel election system, electing our own officials, not participating in the existing one.
I'm uninterested in 'muh libertarianism' distraction fodder that the general public tunes out.
[ + ] Joe_McCarthy
[ - ] Joe_McCarthy -1 points 1.4 yearsFeb 1, 2024 13:52:10 ago (+0/-1)
And you're not saying anything interesting at all. You just want to set up a new set of capos.
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 1.4 yearsFeb 1, 2024 14:46:02 ago (+1/-0)
Lol. Um no. You're an utter faggot and likely a fed.
[ + ] Joe_McCarthy
[ - ] Joe_McCarthy -1 points 1.4 yearsFeb 1, 2024 14:50:03 ago (+0/-1)
[ + ] prototype
[ - ] prototype [op] 0 points 1.4 yearsFeb 1, 2024 14:09:48 ago (+0/-0)
Hard disagree. What I want to do is provide an alternative to war.
[ + ] Joe_McCarthy
[ - ] Joe_McCarthy 1 point 1.4 yearsFeb 1, 2024 14:29:20 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] VitaminSieg
[ - ] VitaminSieg 1 point 1.4 yearsFeb 1, 2024 21:02:19 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Sector2
[ - ] Sector2 0 points 1.4 yearsFeb 2, 2024 12:18:52 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] prototype
[ - ] prototype [op] 0 points 1.4 yearsFeb 1, 2024 15:38:44 ago (+0/-0)
Ain't gonna happen for a long time. The organization and logistics aren't there.
[ + ] Joe_McCarthy
[ - ] Joe_McCarthy 0 points 1.4 yearsFeb 2, 2024 13:05:41 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] 4thTurning
[ - ] 4thTurning 0 points 1.4 yearsFeb 1, 2024 15:18:53 ago (+0/-0)
You will call the police the moment you feel you are in danger.
This was proven during the BLM riots when the dressed in all black anarchists called the police.
[ + ] Joe_McCarthy
[ - ] Joe_McCarthy 1 point 1.4 yearsFeb 2, 2024 13:12:13 ago (+1/-0)*
https://archive.is/K4IKb
My version will work because it reduces everything to man's core, inner drives. Modern society is very fake and shallow, and increasingly does not even fulfill needs on a basic level. When that reality is met it is only for a new society to be conceived and implemented. We are in the midst of revolutionary conditions - but no one else has the vision I do. No matter though. You'll all get on board just the same.
[ + ] Sector2
[ - ] Sector2 0 points 1.4 yearsFeb 2, 2024 12:12:36 ago (+0/-0)
With no overpopulation, property rights are a non-issue.
[ + ] Joe_McCarthy
[ - ] Joe_McCarthy 0 points 1.4 yearsFeb 2, 2024 13:01:21 ago (+0/-0)
More generally property rights are the basis of a need for the state and of economic inequality - which creates a host of evils which provide real benefit to maybe 5% of the population. Property is also theft. So there's that.
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/pierre-joseph-proudhon-what-is-property-an-inquiry-into-the-principle-of-right-and-of-governmen
Not that public property is good either, mind.
[ + ] 4thTurning
[ - ] 4thTurning 1 point 1.4 yearsFeb 1, 2024 13:58:13 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] prototype
[ - ] prototype [op] 2 points 1.4 yearsFeb 1, 2024 14:08:58 ago (+2/-0)*
election rigging got us here.
if we're heading for a civil war, best believe a parallel government is going to be necessary so something worse doesn't take over.
the purpose of destabilization is to replace the government with something better, not to leave a vacuum that invites something worse.
think about it. if you, and people like you, don't put contingencies in place, it is guaranteed someone else will.
ask yourself, which would you rather have? thats what I asked, and its what you should be asking right now.
[ + ] 4thTurning
[ - ] 4thTurning 4 points 1.4 yearsFeb 1, 2024 15:16:42 ago (+4/-0)
Every single society that implemented VOTING destroys itself.
Every single time.
[ + ] prototype
[ - ] prototype [op] 0 points 1.4 yearsFeb 1, 2024 15:27:37 ago (+0/-0)
Thats a symptom looking for a cause.
The people are used to voting. It's the paradigm of the day. They're not going to accept anything else on offer, unless that radically different solution happens to be offered in just the right way, and the regime is the only one equipped to carry out that sort of sea-change.
You gotta work with what people are ready to accept, not propose perfect systems that no one is accustomed to. Basic takeaway from the overton window--unfortunate, but true.
[ + ] 4thTurning
[ - ] 4thTurning 1 point 1.4 yearsFeb 1, 2024 19:14:53 ago (+1/-0)
This system has worked far far longer than any democratic system.
Remember. A king is only as great and powerful as his people and his country.
The UK does not have a king currently. He is just a celebrity with no power.
They vote. And they are collapsing.
The problem with voting is the people never vote to work harder to make the country better
[ + ] Sector2
[ - ] Sector2 0 points 1.4 yearsFeb 2, 2024 12:09:27 ago (+0/-0)
Servitude. (regardless of which master)
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 0 points 1.4 yearsFeb 1, 2024 14:44:59 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Stonkmar
[ - ] Stonkmar 1 point 1.4 yearsFeb 1, 2024 15:09:12 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] prototype
[ - ] prototype [op] 1 point 1.4 yearsFeb 1, 2024 15:21:06 ago (+1/-0)*
America is, but not the variety they're talking about.
I knew this long before any of this became a mainstream narrative.
The regime is doing everything in its power to prevent one, in order to stay in power.
You can see it in their errant foaming at the mouth fearmongering about it. Basic reverse psychology.
Every bot of theirs on the internet is ranting about "muh powers-that-be WANT a civil war so they can impose duh mArShAlL law on us all!" in the hopes everyone will 'remain calm and carry on' and fight against a civil war breaking out. Surest sign the regime is worried about it.
Other than that, anocracy, which is what we're seeing, and its the best predictor invented yet, for predicting civil breakdown.
The u.s. will fail to reindustrialization fast enough to effectively counter BRICs and China. The consequence of this is financial, cost-of-living, and internecine issues will come to the forefront, and precipitate "other solutions."
Controlled fighting between the states will be used to determine the outcome in favor of the federalists and their regime of ever-encroaching taxes, and overreach. Censorship and gun control are going to make a huge comeback. No one believes me when I write it. They'll believe me when everything I just wrote comes to pass.
Realistically, probably not then either. Like shouting into the wind.
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 0 points 1.4 yearsFeb 1, 2024 14:43:53 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] prototype
[ - ] prototype [op] 0 points 1.4 yearsFeb 1, 2024 15:10:00 ago (+0/-0)
Depends on a lot of factors. Thinking of running some simulations, maybe letting others tweak the variables, and see what comes out of it.
for one, its a parallel system so its not subject to standard election laws designed to interfere with free and fair elections.
that because you and I have no say over the existing election system.
thats part of the reason for establishing parallel elections. government-in-exile type stuff. legitimacy precedes replacement.
[ + ] DeathTsunami
[ - ] DeathTsunami 3 points 1.4 yearsFeb 1, 2024 15:33:46 ago (+3/-0)
[ + ] Sector2
[ - ] Sector2 0 points 1.4 yearsFeb 2, 2024 11:58:06 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] HonkyMcNiggerSpic
[ - ] HonkyMcNiggerSpic 4 points 1.4 yearsFeb 1, 2024 16:05:33 ago (+4/-0)
[ + ] PotatoWhisperer2
[ - ] PotatoWhisperer2 2 points 1.4 yearsFeb 1, 2024 18:47:16 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] Her0n
[ - ] Her0n 2 points 1.4 yearsFeb 2, 2024 02:11:19 ago (+2/-0)
I am a White man with a White family, looking to empower White people and White families with a focus on isolationism as far as foreign policy is concerned.
[ + ] Sector2
[ - ] Sector2 0 points 1.4 yearsFeb 2, 2024 11:56:59 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Nosferatjew
[ - ] Nosferatjew 0 points 1.4 yearsFeb 1, 2024 17:54:24 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Not_C
[ - ] Not_C 1 point 1.4 yearsFeb 1, 2024 18:47:09 ago (+1/-0)
A county declares that it will uphold the Constitution. Keep gun rights. Etc.
Meanwhile, all DEI practices are illegal, all illegal invaders and anyone assisting them are prosecuted. Along with other highly divisive issues.
Any politicians within the county who do not support these measures are immediately run out of the county.
All counties that implement these rules unite and work together to uphold their laws. Regardless of the state or federal government.
Each individual county is small enough to be controlled by the grassroots community formed within it. Meanwhile, uniting these individual counties allows them to have enough power to exist and enforce their rules.
[ + ] Sector2
[ - ] Sector2 0 points 1.4 yearsFeb 2, 2024 12:04:01 ago (+0/-0)
jews and their ZOGbots. Your plan can work if the 'authorities and enforcers' in each county are killed first. Otherwise it's just a pipe dream.