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[ - ] Sector2 1 point 1.2 yearsFeb 20, 2024 16:57:41 ago (+1/-0)

Nice link. (and now another tab...) With my opinion of our current civilization, this should be an interesting read.

Discontent with civilization has been with us all along, but is coming on now with a new freshness and insistence, as if it were a new thing. To assail civilization itself would be scandalous, but for the conclusion, occurring to more and more people, that it may be civilization that is the fundamental scandal.

When you refuse to accept the frivolous and self-serving excuses, it certainly appears the case.

[ - ] Joe_McCarthy [op] 1 point 1.2 yearsFeb 21, 2024 13:19:45 ago (+1/-0)

This shorter, newer book should also be read:

https://archive.org/details/RousselleAfterPostAnarchism

It is Zerzan's alone. 'Against Civilization' is an anthology he edited and contributed to.

[ - ] Sector2 1 point 1.2 yearsFeb 21, 2024 14:06:24 ago (+1/-0)

The irony of reading this on the internet. First couple pages look promising. Nice quoted burn on Marx.

He was like a young man from the provinces who takes seriously, with despairing gravity, the customs of the metropolis — that is how Marx viewed capital.”

[ - ] Joe_McCarthy [op] 1 point 1.2 yearsFeb 21, 2024 14:18:11 ago (+1/-0)

Using the system against the system and all that... the danger there is in getting dangerously corrupted. Dugin says somewhere that we have to find liberalism's choke point. The vital artery that can be knifed or where a key can be entered. Like a silver bullet for a vampire.

I started getting more interested in Zerzan when I realized counterterrorism types were worried Siegers were getting into primitivism. It really snowballed for me about 6 months ago though...

[ - ] TheOriginal1Icemonkey 0 points 1.2 yearsFeb 20, 2024 13:42:15 ago (+0/-0)

Kitchens being open to the rest of the house in modern American floor plans goes hand in hand with everyone being fat. The whole house is centered around the kitchen.

[ - ] Joe_McCarthy [op] 0 points 1.2 yearsFeb 20, 2024 13:10:41 ago (+0/-0)

"Evidence from both ethnographic descriptions of contemporary hunters and the archaeological record suggests that the major trend in the quality and quantity of human diets has been downward. Contemporary hunter-gatherers, although lean and occasionally hungry, enjoy levels of caloric intake that compare favorably with national averages for many major countries of the Third World and that are generally above those of the poor in the modern world. Even the poorest recorded hunter-gatherer group enjoys a caloric intake superior to that of impoverished contemporary urban populations. Prehistoric hunter-gatherers appear to have enjoyed richer environments and to have been better nourished than most subsequent populations (primitive and civilized alike). Whenever we can glimpse the remains of anatomically modern human beings who lived in early prehistoric environments still rich in large game, they are often relatively large people displaying comparatively few signs of qualitative malnutrition. The subsequent trend in human size and stature is irregular but is more often downward than upward in most parts of the world until the nineteenth or twentieth century. The diets of hunter-gatherers appear to be comparatively well balanced, even when they are lean. Ethnographic accounts of contemporary groups suggest that protein intakes are commonly quite high, comparable to those of affluent modern groups and substantially above world averages. Protein deficiency is almost unknown in these groups, and vitamin and mineral deficiencies are rare and usually mild in comparison to rates reported from many Third World populations. Archaeological evidence suggests that specific deficiencies, including that of iron (anemia), vitamin D (rickets), and, more controversially, vitamin C (scurvy) — as well as such general signs of protein calorie malnutrition as childhood growth retardation — have generally become more common in history rather than declining...."

https://archive.org/details/AgainstCivilizationReadingsAndReflectionsEnlargedEdition/page/n93/mode/2up?view=theater

[ - ] Joe_McCarthy [op] 0 points 1.2 yearsFeb 20, 2024 12:12:58 ago (+0/-0)

Who can look at all the fat fucks in modern society and disagree? Not too many 400 pounders in hunter-gatherer societies. That's for sure.

Eat to live not live to eat - as my pappy used to say.