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[ - ] CHIRO 10 points 1 yearJun 5, 2024 09:34:18 ago (+10/-0)*

I've convinced multiple parents against circumcision who had previously been for it.

It's pretty common for them to think it's less risky to circumcise. Ironically, I use a somewhat scientific argument to tell them why that's ridiculous.

"Hey, you believe in evolution right?"

"Well, of course."

"And over long spans of time, any feature of an organism that becomes fixed and ubiquitous in a species is necessarily an adaptation, right? I mean, if it were meaningfully increasing health risks, it would have to be doing something really, really powerful in terms of increasing reproduction potential in order to justify the health risks."

"Yup."

"Well, the foreskin is a fixed and ubiquitous feature of male anatomy, but in this case doctors are doing better than nature? How likely is it that nature would favor ontogeny of the child that required any of the childs own anatomy to be surgically removed at birth? Remember, human beings didn't have sterile operatories or trained surgeons for 99% of our time on earth."

"Yeah, that seems right. But that doesn't mean it couldn't still confer a benefit."

"Okay, then next time you talk to your OBGYN, ask him to articulate a benefit that isn't just risk avoidance. I'll put $500 on: he can't do it."

The idea, really, is that, all else being equal, any feature an organism could have that meaningfully increased incidence of disease would be filtered out of existence by natural selection. (see my comment below) If having an intact foreskin represented a meaningful risk, it would have to be explained what survival/reproduction benefit this feature provides to the organism, otherwise you would not expect to see it fixed within that species. Of course, we know that foreskin is a fixed feature of both male and female anatomy. There is no consensus on the reason for it, but it is common to think it has sexual purposes (either to delay coitus or facilitate it, depending on what theory you go for). Whatever theory you like, the benefit is really* unlikely to outweigh the cost of any serious risk of infection. Virtually all male mammals have some kind of penile sheath. The idea that we serve nature by surgically removing anything normal from the body at birth is fucking insanity that only the mind of the jew could think up.

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So, if this doesn't work, I usually ask them if they have dogs and if they recall any veterinarian PSAs suggesting that people need to have their dogs circumcised because of health risks.

I also laugh at people who say, "But it requires more to keep it clean!" It would save us a little cleaning time if we got rid of the outer portions of our ears, too. But we don't fucking do that. It would save us time cleaning if we cut off every female's labia at birth, too. We don't fucking do that.

[ - ] didyouknow 7 points 1 yearJun 5, 2024 10:08:49 ago (+7/-0)

I remember a very long time ago there was a small study that focused on the affects of the brain following circumcision of an infant, and they found that it did permanently alter the part of the brain which affects reasoning, perception and emotions. The people behind this research were ordered not only to NOT publish their findings but had to also destroy their research as well because researching the adverse affects of circumcision was not allowed according to some bullshit jew regulations.

I believe this was in Canada.

[ - ] CHIRO 1 point 1 yearJun 5, 2024 12:16:30 ago (+1/-0)*

That's very interesting. If you or anybody else has links to info about this, I'd like to read about it. But on it's face, it's very believable.

[ - ] didyouknow 1 point 1 yearJun 5, 2024 13:36:48 ago (+1/-0)

This is the article I got that information from;

https://archive.ph/PXMXw

Here's some quotes from a from a scientific article published in Advances in Sexual Medicine;

Moreover, as Svoboda and Van Howe (p. 2) recently stated, “circumcision adversely affects the developing infant brain by causing trauma-grade increases in heart rate, blood pressure and stress hormone levels. Some infants do not cry because they go into shock. Mother-infant bonding and feeding is disrupted, as are infant sleep patterns. Circumcised infants become more irritable and less consolable than their intact peers.”

Thus, infant circumcision may cause adverse changes to brain structure and function in the prefrontal cortex that impact adversely on a child’s subsequent personality development. Likewise, the neurons in the brain’s sexual pleasure center, denied sensory input from the free nerve endings and sensory receptors in the amputated fore- skin during the critical developmental period, may atrophy and die or be reassigned to other functions. Based on Hubel and Wiesel’s experiments at Harvard University into the deprivation of sensory input to the visual cortex of kittens during the critical developmental phase, similarly, neonatal circumcision might lead to an irreversible loss of perception of sexual sensation from the foreskin that would normally be received in the brain’s sensory- receptive area [106] -[107] . Thus, even if sensory input from the amputated foreskin could somehow be restored later on (which it can’t), the brain’s sensory-receptive area could not perceive such sensation due to likely neuronal degeneration and death (and/or reassignment to other tasks).

https://archive.ph/0s1Cr

Quotes from a study done on this subject;

In this study, we found that EC (early-circumcised) men exhibited more anxious and avoidant attachment.

Our results showed that EC, compared to NC (non-circumcised), men scored lower in emotional stability, a meta-trait of the Big Five composed of conscientiousness, agreeableness, and neuroticism (reversed). Low emotional stability has been linked to impaired functioning in emotional, motivational, and social domains (DeYoung et al, 2002, DeYoung et al, 2008). Several studies have linked insecure attachment and emotional instability to the rise of externalizing behaviors (e.g., aggression, hostility, impulsivity, antisocial behavior, hyperactivity, and drug abuse) and psychopathology (DeYoung et al, 2008; Green and Goldwyn, 2002; Paetzold et al, 2015).

Interestingly, preterm children who have spent early days in the neonatal intensive care unit (NICU) have persistently altered cortisol levels (Grunau et al, 2005, Grunau et al, 2007) and altered breastfeeding patterns (Dodrill et al, 2008; Flacking et al, 2003; Maastrup et al, 2014) along with changed mother-infant interactions (Feldman, 2006), and are at higher risk of developing externalizing behaviors (Bhutta et al., 2002). This may be due in part to the invasive and painful, but life-saving, procedures performed in the NICU that affect structural brain development (Brummelte et al, 2012; Smyser et al, 2010), thereby having a long-term impact. These findings, together with our own results, suggest that neonatal circumcision may foster the development of attachment-related changes with implications for adult psychology or behavior.

We also found that early circumcision was associated with increased libido and sociosexual behavior. Studies on early stress show that precocious sexuality and unstable pair bonding are associated with insecure attachment (Belsky et al., 1991, Belsky et al., 2012; Sung et al, 2016), and that individuals low in emotional stability are less likely to maintain stable relationships (Young et al, 2017), hence scoring high in sociosexuality. We found that the EC group also scored higher in sensation seeking. Sensation seeking is a potent predictor of a wide array of behaviors such as sexual risk-taking, reckless driving, smoking, alcohol use, and use of illicit drugs.

In our study, EC men reported higher levels of perceived stress compared to NC men.

We found that EC, compared to NC, men reported higher sexual libido and sociosexual behavior. Assuming reasonably accurate self-reporting, EC men in our sample may therefore be more likely to engage in more sex with more partners than the NC men in our sample.

https://archive.ph/cOIt2

[ - ] CHIRO 0 points 1 yearJun 5, 2024 14:01:31 ago (+0/-0)

Thank you for posting this.

[ - ] Ragnar 1 point 1 yearJun 5, 2024 12:30:27 ago (+1/-0)

Speaking of evolution, we have molars given to us by “nature” but the dentists ask you to remove them all.
Many surgeons remove appendix because it’s a “vestigial” organ.
Also, women should remove their uterus and ovaries once they done having babies because cancer, say the doctors.

Did you know if you have gallstones you should remove your gallbladder because you don’t need it, also say the doctors.

In all the above cases (and the other one we all know of), they say, “the benefits outweigh the risks”.

Similarly but slightly different, heart disease or heart attacks were very very rare, if at all, till the turn of the last century.
Moreover, up until a few decades ago autoimmunity apparently didn’t exist, but now suddenly your body is trying to kill you.

[ - ] GreatSatan [op] 1 point 1 yearJun 5, 2024 14:12:14 ago (+1/-0)

It's a jewish lie about the health benefits, jews do it as a mark for those who serve their God Yaldabaoth.

[ - ] CHIRO 0 points 1 yearJun 5, 2024 12:24:25 ago (+0/-0)*

If you're arguing with someone a bit clever, they may point out that this is true only for features that meaningfully impact an organism's ability to reproduce, but not for things that impact our health later in life, or outside the reproductive window.

This person might point out the fact that we surgically remove things like wisdom teeth.

Here is the answer. Some prophylaxis is justified. Some isn't. There is no demonstrable benefit to removing wisdom teeth that are not causing problems. Some of our most "risk prone" tissues are those that develop at or around the time of puberty, i.e., things related to our reproductive organs or female breasts, for example. We understand there are risks associated with mature breast tissue, but that doesn't mean we remove or inhibit the "machinery" that will promote breast growth; we might remove the breasts of an adult woman if pre-cancerous changes are found, or something like that, but we need justified reasons (based on reliable evidence) that the operation is going to save someone from a predictable disease. A malignant lump is good evidence. The mere presence of a mammary gland is not.

Absent any congenital birth defects or other issues with the pregnancy or delivery, there is no normal tissue or organ we remove at birth in anticipation of future risks. At the end of the day, the probability is 100% that your body is going to get you killed.

[ - ] Ragnar 1 point 1 yearJun 5, 2024 12:33:16 ago (+1/-0)

Ugh, you beat me to it, and did a better job parsing it

[ - ] yesiknow 9 points 1 yearJun 5, 2024 04:04:45 ago (+9/-0)

Canada dropped circumcision down to 8% over night when the failure of socialist medicine started charging extra for it. They charge extra for everything and now staff would rather euthanize people to save money on treatments. THe money saved has never gone to treating people. It goes to paying extortionist rates to globalcorp for equipment.

[ - ] AnonymousLex 4 points 1 yearJun 5, 2024 09:40:01 ago (+4/-0)

I will never be full dick but my son is thanks to the discussions. If my grandson is missing any part of his dick I will leave nothing for my son

[ - ] TheNoticing -2 points 1 yearJun 5, 2024 10:34:24 ago (+0/-2)

That's a stupid reason to not leave an inheritance.

[ - ] GreatSatan [op] 0 points 1 yearJun 5, 2024 14:15:17 ago (+0/-0)

Kill yourself, jew

[ - ] 2plus2equals5 2 points 1 yearJun 5, 2024 10:55:38 ago (+2/-0)*

Ask them if forced clitorectomies or labiaectomies are okay for infant girls.
(of course they aren't)

Circumcision removes the protective sheath and exposes the most sensitive skin on the human body. When it's rubbed raw to the point of becoming completely insensitive, erectile dysfunction happens prematurely and intimacy between partners is lost. Do they want their man to be able to 'make love' to them or get hate fucked every time into their old age?

Let them know there is big money in stem cell experiment research using the removed body parts. Same with Planned Parenthood.
That is big business for corporations.

When women buy "rejuvenating skin care" at the store, they are smearing hacked off penises and other women's dead babies on their face.

[ - ] TheNoticing 2 points 1 yearJun 5, 2024 10:27:30 ago (+2/-0)

TRuSt tHe sCiEnCe!¡

[ - ] Nosferatjew 1 point 1 yearJun 5, 2024 13:34:02 ago (+1/-0)

benefits

Ok, name one.

[ - ] HeyJames 1 point 1 yearJun 5, 2024 11:33:32 ago (+1/-0)

Even though evidence clearly states this was done as an anti-masturbatory measure by a christ-cuck.

[ - ] 2plus2equals5 1 point 1 yearJun 5, 2024 12:22:28 ago (+1/-0)

When the sensitive glans is exposed to continuous rubbing and stimulation, the opposite often occurs until the nerves die.

[ - ] Ragnar 1 point 1 yearJun 5, 2024 11:17:10 ago (+1/-0)

Interesting how they chose a Christian imagery for this

[ - ] HeyJames 1 point 1 yearJun 5, 2024 11:37:49 ago (+1/-0)

It was a christ-cuck who ultimately pushed for it in the USA

[ - ] GreatSatan [op] 0 points 1 yearJun 5, 2024 14:15:56 ago (+0/-0)

Because he didn't want boys masturbating.

[ - ] rabidR04CH 1 point 1 yearJun 5, 2024 09:49:34 ago (+1/-0)

What are the Jews going to eat now?

[ - ] HonkyMcNiggerSpic 0 points 1 yearJun 5, 2024 10:57:52 ago (+0/-0)

What will they make all their face creams out of?

[ - ] KyleIsThisTall 0 points 1 yearJun 6, 2024 02:24:13 ago (+0/-0)

The science that the foreskin remains fused to the glans until about 7 years old?

[ - ] ButtToucha9000 0 points 1 yearJun 5, 2024 14:00:38 ago (+0/-0)

Who wrote the article