Eratosthenes is claimed to have proven the earth is round in 240 BC with his observation of shadows.
In his observation he made a couple presumptions. First, he presumed that the earth was round. Because of this presumption, he had to presume that the sun's rays were reaching the earth in parallel fashion for the behavior of shadows to be accurate. His conclusion looked like this.
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This is odd because nobody ever gives a reason why he should have presumed the earth was round in the first place. The oddest part being, he would have seen clouds all his life that looked like this.
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In 240 BC, why would any reasonable person see clouds that look like this their entire life, then presume that the sun's rays are reaching the entire earth in parallel fashion?
So let's take the objective, observable, and repeatable data that Eratosthenes would have objectively saw like crepuscular rays, and make the necessary presumptions we need for the behavior of shadows to be accurate.
Crepuscular sun rays from behind clouds would suggest a smaller local Sun. With a smaller local Sun, the behavior of the shadows can be reproduced on a flat Earth. That conclusion would look like this.
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The heliocentric paradigm will claim it's all an "illusion" and the sun rays really are parallel, but they just appear to be crepuscular. After all, Einstein told us all about reality and how it's all a "persistent illusion." But we are talking about 240 B.C. They didn't have jewish "scientists" lying to them about rockets in space yet. Their entire reality is based on their terrestrial observations. He would have seen the same thing that we see today. Crepuscular rays. Sure, modern science can argue things are "illusions" and I can argue that they're not. The following is an example.
The distance of the sun from the earth to scale.
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Now visualize that distance and convince yourself that the sun can create this hotspot with parallel rays.
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Now attempt to visualize parallel rays creating the illusion of crepuscular rays in this picture.
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I can make an argument against the claim of illusion but my point in this post is that they are described as illusions for a reason. An illusion is something that appears like one thing, but is something else in reality. Without the explanation of the illusion, you would have no reason to believe it was an illusion. So if we're told that in reality the sun's rays are parallel, but the illusion is that they appear crepuscular, then Eratosthenes should have observed them and presumed that the sun was small and local because he personally had no reason to presume crepuscular rays were an illusion and he should have came to the conclusion that the earth was flat.
Sure, you could argue that the world proved his presumptions years later, but I'm asking about Eratosthenes, in 240 BC, with the information he had available to him, and whether or not you find his conclusion reasonable given his circumstances.
With all this being said, Even if we give him the benefit of the doubt with his presumption that the earth was round in the first place, this would indeed require that the sun's rays are parallel, but modern science can't even keep consistent with that claim when they try to explain an eclipse.
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Everybody has their own chronological order in which they received red pills. We receive them all our lives. From the moment you realized that Santa Claus wasn't real, you have progressed to understanding that the CIA killed JFK, 911 was an inside job, climate change propaganda and so on. It might differ from person to person but we all have a list. But at some point you understood that the Holocaust was a hoax. This was a major leap because it probably changed your perspective on the entire world and the history we are given. You realized that 911 was an inside job, but the people behind that job were jews. Or that the CIA did kill JFK, but that the CIA answers to the Mossad. You eventually see a pattern. But as a Holocaust denier, you would fully understand what it is like to have such an unpopular opinion. And you would also understand what it is like to argue against a brick wall of ignorance and regurgitated mainstream narratives without any substance until you are inevitably banned from whatever platform you use to use and relocated to the limited hangout farm we call voat. That is where I am at today. Ever since I learned the truth about the Holocaust, I've treated anything and everything with the same skepticism. It has led me to the inevitable conclusion that the Earth is flat. I simply challenge the mainstream claim by observing reality.
I fully expect shills to be butthurt and agree with the disclaimers that Wikipedia or YouTube would put on the information that I try to share. If you're a Holocaust denier, then you know the routine. Make a post with substance, get denial, get insults, accusations, and deflection. Not a single one of them will address the actual post I made about Eratosthenes because the argument is bulletproof. They will treat this post the same exact way reddit would treat a post that was questioning why the chimney at Auschwitz wasn't attached to the building. There's no argument against it so they will avoid it at all costs.
[ + ] Lost_In_The_Thinking
[ - ] Lost_In_The_Thinking 2 points 9 monthsJul 22, 2024 11:28:46 ago (+2/-0)
No, he didn't. He developed a theory based on observation, then tested that theory with experimentation. He then quantified the distances he had measured and used geometry to create a mathematical model of what he found. He didn't just pull it out of his ass and make up a word salad to explain it.
By the way, jewboy, have you ever heard of parallax?
[ + ] McNasty
[ - ] McNasty [op] -2 points 9 monthsJul 22, 2024 11:31:05 ago (+0/-2)
Based on what observation? Crepuscular rays would be what he observed and that would have suggested a smaller local sun.
So can you substantiate on what you believe he observed that make it reasonable to presume the earth is round?
[ + ] Lost_In_The_Thinking
[ - ] Lost_In_The_Thinking 2 points 9 monthsJul 22, 2024 11:49:50 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] McNasty
[ - ] McNasty [op] 0 points 9 monthsJul 22, 2024 12:38:12 ago (+0/-0)
I've been making that post for 5 years dumb ass. And it does apply. It's the word heliocentrism uses to describe what they call an "illusion" that makes the clouds appear as though the sun is directly behind them. It's literally what the world means retard.
[ + ] McNasty
[ - ] McNasty [op] 0 points 9 monthsJul 22, 2024 12:38:33 ago (+0/-0)
I've been making that post for 5 years dumb ass. And it does apply. It's the word heliocentrism uses to describe what they call an "illusion" that makes the clouds appear as though the sun is directly behind them. It's literally what the world means retard.
[ + ] I_am_baal
[ - ] I_am_baal 2 points 9 monthsJul 22, 2024 11:22:42 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] McNasty
[ - ] McNasty [op] -2 points 9 monthsJul 22, 2024 11:24:01 ago (+0/-2)
[ + ] I_am_baal
[ - ] I_am_baal 1 point 9 monthsJul 22, 2024 11:34:40 ago (+1/-0)*
So I encourage any goat that finds some joy in bullying the retarded to also bully McNasty (In a way that doesn't clutter up the forum with FE bullshit. Don't make some gay post about it. Bully him in the comments). If not, then don't interact with him, and when you see others bullying him, know that the FE jewish mind virus has not taken down our little hub against jewery.
[ + ] HonkyMcNiggerSpic
[ - ] HonkyMcNiggerSpic 2 points 9 monthsJul 22, 2024 11:17:11 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] McNasty
[ - ] McNasty [op] -3 points 9 monthsJul 22, 2024 11:19:38 ago (+0/-3)
[ + ] HonkyMcNiggerSpic
[ - ] HonkyMcNiggerSpic 4 points 9 monthsJul 22, 2024 11:20:57 ago (+4/-0)
[ + ] McNasty
[ - ] McNasty [op] -3 points 9 monthsJul 22, 2024 11:21:52 ago (+0/-3)
[ + ] HonkyMcNiggerSpic
[ - ] HonkyMcNiggerSpic 2 points 9 monthsJul 22, 2024 11:25:47 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] McNasty
[ - ] McNasty [op] -2 points 9 monthsJul 22, 2024 11:27:19 ago (+0/-2)
[ + ] HonkyMcNiggerSpic
[ - ] HonkyMcNiggerSpic 0 points 9 monthsJul 22, 2024 11:42:43 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 9 monthsJul 22, 2024 11:52:33 ago (+1/-0)
The distance from Perth Australia to ushuaia Argentina is 6450 miles.
The distance from Ottawa Canada to Bejing China is 6911.
This is only possible on a globed earth. Which is why you'll never provide a scale for any of your models.
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 9 monthsJul 22, 2024 12:06:09 ago (+1/-0)
This is a picture of a lunar eclipse.
How does this happen using a flat earth model.
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 9 monthsJul 22, 2024 11:43:22 ago (+1/-0)
Can you explain how lunar eclipses work?
How about showing me a model of how a city in the southern tip of south America can have shorter days in the summer and longer days in the winter.
I'd love to see it. But you won't.
[ + ] Drstrangestgov
[ - ] Drstrangestgov 1 point 9 monthsJul 22, 2024 12:13:16 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] McNasty
[ - ] McNasty [op] 0 points 9 monthsJul 22, 2024 12:29:21 ago (+0/-0)
To win this argument, you must present what Eratosthenes would have seen that would make him presume it was round.
I already stated that crepuscular rays would be what he observed which would have suggested a flat Earth.
[ + ] Drstrangestgov
[ - ] Drstrangestgov 0 points 9 monthsJul 22, 2024 19:26:20 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 9 monthsJul 22, 2024 11:40:56 ago (+2/-1)
https://youtu.be/AQl8h7Aa75s?si=D-hlPr35jSf3-BZF
Does this sound like you?
https://youtu.be/KyD8VIK032o?si=etfwGQb9lobucnWx
Do you hear this much? What's your response?
https://youtu.be/JDy95_eNPzM?si=qMoWx2MoKlvJJQwx
What about the moon?
https://youtu.be/_bHqBy92iGM?si=upwS_9ubiwd4QFBA
And the stars?
https://youtu.be/su-fmoZUkF8?si=yHCKgpomS_k7n6kU
Why wouldn't planes just fly in a straight line?
https://youtu.be/Dd-FAyHdpxI?si=3AfNThmPfuePIRZ-
Show me your model of Flat earth with a scale for distance.
Show me a side of the moon that I don't see right here in Austin Texas, every full moon.
Show me a building that should be over the horizon but that you can still see over a spance of land instead of water.
Show me a picture of Chicago that YOU took from the shores of MI.
Show me a model that explains why the southern tip of south America experiences long days in the winter and short days in the summer.
Tell me why the constellations rotate one way in the northern hemisphere but the opposite way in the southern hemisphere.
Explain how a lunar eclipse works on your dumb assed fuckin' model.
[ + ] TheSimulacra
[ - ] TheSimulacra 1 point 9 monthsJul 22, 2024 11:35:03 ago (+1/-0)
can you explain how one set of stars rotates in one direction vs the other half of the plane, where a completely different set of stars rotate in the opposite direction? How do we have two sets of stars rotating in opposite directions while sitting on this flat plane of an earth...
oh and where the fuck does the sun go at night???
Please, can you explain this one with the same amount of spunk you put into this post?
[ + ] McNasty
[ - ] McNasty [op] 0 points 9 monthsJul 22, 2024 12:30:30 ago (+0/-0)
I made another post explaining all of that. I sent you a link when I get home.
[ + ] McNasty
[ - ] McNasty [op] 0 points 9 monthsJul 22, 2024 12:25:42 ago (+0/-0)
Yes but I don't think you would understand. But I can tell you that it is objectively impossible for the earth to rotate, have an elliptical orbit, while the sun has an elliptical orbit, while the galaxy has an elliptical orbit and so on, and have the stars remain in the same relative position to each other throughout the entirety of History. Ancient scholars would have noticed this and there's no way they would assume that stars existed at various distances.
But this is the typical response when I prove a particular point. It's like trying to tell someone that the chimney wasn't even attached to the building and they have to interrupt and say "what about this, what about that." I just want to say, "shut the fuck up and take it one point at a time.
I'll make a post explaining it in detail later. I'm on the road right now.
[ + ] McNasty
[ - ] McNasty [op] 0 points 9 monthsJul 22, 2024 12:25:56 ago (+0/-0)
Yes but I don't think you would understand. But I can tell you that it is objectively impossible for the earth to rotate, have an elliptical orbit, while the sun has an elliptical orbit, while the galaxy has an elliptical orbit and so on, and have the stars remain in the same relative position to each other throughout the entirety of History. Ancient scholars would have noticed this and there's no way they would assume that stars existed at various distances.
But this is the typical response when I prove a particular point. It's like trying to tell someone that the chimney wasn't even attached to the building and they have to interrupt and say "what about this, what about that." I just want to say, "shut the fuck up and take it one point at a time.
I'll make a post explaining it in detail later. I'm on the road right now.
[ + ] TheSimulacra
[ - ] TheSimulacra 0 points 9 monthsJul 22, 2024 13:15:12 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] McNasty
[ - ] McNasty [op] 0 points 9 monthsJul 22, 2024 13:25:04 ago (+0/-0)*
http://walter.bislins.ch/bloge/index.asp?page=Flat+Earth+Dome+Model&state=-65-1Lets--investigate--the--shape--of--the--Night--Shadow--on--the--Flat--Earth.-713.894801-11.388948-127.789602-125.3684-281.5-30-50-20-10-5
I'm not claiming that this is a 100% accurate flat Earth model, but I am claiming that it was somebody's honest attempt and one of the things that they got right is how your perception works when you're looking up at a dome of stars. What he did wrong was he took the heliocentric model and flattened it out. This means that variables of stars and celestial bodies are going to be inaccurate. Flat earthers don't claim that they are at those positions and at those sizes.
Also, I can tell you a million things wrong with the heliocentric model and stars.
[ + ] HonkyMcNiggerSpic
[ - ] HonkyMcNiggerSpic 0 points 9 monthsJul 22, 2024 13:24:47 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] McNasty
[ - ] McNasty [op] 0 points 9 monthsJul 22, 2024 13:34:38 ago (+0/-0)