We were living under Roman rule as evidenced by the fact that we kept the pope’s sunday sabbath, and by keeping it and the rest of the pagan Roman overwrite of Christianity that we now live in fallen nations. Do not dream of returning to the yoke of bondage, but take up the easy yoke and light burden of following our King and Priest, our Lord and Saviour; Yahusha the messiah, not Frankie the jesuit.
DI and I have a gentleman's disagreement about Saturday worship vs. Sunday Worship. Mark 2:27 Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath."
John 20:1-2 Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance. 2 So she came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one Jesus loved, and said, “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we don’t know where they have put him!”
John 20:19-20 19 On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 20 After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord.
(All four gospels identify that He is risen on the "First Day of the Week"
Acts 20:7 On the first day of the week we came together to break bread.
1 Corinthians 16:2 On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with your income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made.
So Jesus was raised on the first day, appeared to his followers on the first day, the disciples came together on the first day and offerings were made on the first day. Some groups like the Seventh Day Adventists, who coincidentally, was founded by a woman whose writings are still considered influential, claim that Worshiping God and Jesus on the first day of the week is blasphemy, maybe up to being "the number of the beast?"
DI posts a lot of good things so I normally choose not to engage on this topic.
I have no knowledge of this “agreement”. I have an agreement with the Almighty; I love Him and keep His commandments (including the fourth commandment). If you choose to follow the beast that is against my advice and against the will of Elohiym. Your weak rationalisations and justifications based on misreadings of scripture will be judged by the author of scripture, who created all things in six days, and who hallowed and set apart the seventh day as the sabbath. There is no prohibition on worshipping on the first or any other day of the week, but there remains a sabbath of rest which is the seventh day. The resurrection was completed on the sabbath, before the feast of first-fruits (which always occurs on the first day of the week) when Yahusha presented himself before his father in heaven, and before his friends here on earth. 1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre. 2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it. Matthew 28 KJV
LOL.... It's a gentleman's disagreement. I consider you a gentleman, but I don't agree that I should be taking spiritual instruction from a woman. You appear to not have problem with that.
I believe the 7th Day Adventists are a cult trying to pervert Jesus perfect sacrifice into some push back under the law he liberated us from.
I consider the law as complete through Christ Jesus and I choose to worship him on the first day, as that is the day he is risen. The sabbath was the end of death and the first day was the beginning of life. It's OK, we will just continue to disagree.
LOL.... It's a gentleman's disagreement. I consider you a gentleman,
Thank you sir, and my best wishes to you also :)
but I don't agree that I should be taking spiritual instruction from a woman. You appear to not have problem with that.
Afaik not all SDAs consider E G White to be a prophet, and I am not an SDA myself. The authority for the keeping of the sabbath begins in Genesis and continues throughout scripture. Nowhere is there any mentioning of it’s annulment or transfer, that was a 4th century Roman imposition in a further attempt to extinguish the church, which has crossed millennia and cost millions of lives.
I believe the 7th Day Adventists are a cult trying to pervert Jesus perfect sacrifice into some push back under the law he liberated us from.
The ‘law’ Yahusha was fighting against was the one which perverted, added to, and took away from the word of scripture which he himself inspired, quoted, and walked.
I consider the law as complete through Christ Jesus and I choose to worship him on the first day, as that is the day he is risen.
It is good to worship and pray continually, and on any day, but the sabbath is a commandment, not a choice of when to worship.
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Exodus 20:8 King James Version
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 1 John 3:4 King James Version
The sabbath was the end of death
Where is this written? The sabbath was ordained before the fall.
1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. Genesis 2:1-3 King James Version
and the first day was the beginning of life.
The resurrection took place on the sabbath, and the presentation of ‘first fruits’ took place as it is commanded; on the day following the sabbath within the feast of unleavened bread.
It's OK, we will just continue to disagree.
As I’m sure you know, we are commanded to be watchmen and will be held guilty if any are lost because we failed to blow the trumpet.
Even so, to disagree - even most agreeably :) with me is unimportant, but what does our Adonai say?
12 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you. 14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. 15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. 16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. 17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed. Exodus 31:12-17 King James Version
And what is it that the followers of Constantine offer as a replacement? Do they break bread with you? Or do they, as your intercessors, conduct a ‘mass’ to raise up a dead spirit and command it to enter a biscuit? And do you pass a cup of wine between you? Or does your priest control your access to the golden cup? Is all this conducted as often as you shall meet? Or on ‘the venerable day of the sun’? The day of pagan worship? Did Yahusha or any of the disciples do or preach any of these?
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[ - ] yesiknow 0 points 9 monthsJul 24, 2024 05:56:51 ago (+0/-0)
Not sure why heritage is using that bullshit made up crap word "judeo christian" religion.
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Do not dream of returning to the yoke of bondage, but take up the easy yoke and light burden of following our King and Priest, our Lord and Saviour; Yahusha the messiah, not Frankie the jesuit.
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John 20:1-2 Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance. 2 So she came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one Jesus loved, and said, “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we don’t know where they have put him!”
John 20:19-20 19 On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 20 After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord.
(All four gospels identify that He is risen on the "First Day of the Week"
Acts 20:7 On the first day of the week we came together to break bread.
1 Corinthians 16:2
On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with your income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made.
So Jesus was raised on the first day, appeared to his followers on the first day, the disciples came together on the first day and offerings were made on the first day. Some groups like the Seventh Day Adventists, who coincidentally, was founded by a woman whose writings are still considered influential, claim that Worshiping God and Jesus on the first day of the week is blasphemy, maybe up to being "the number of the beast?"
DI posts a lot of good things so I normally choose not to engage on this topic.
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[ - ] doginventer [op] 0 points 9 monthsJul 25, 2024 06:26:51 ago (+0/-0)
I have an agreement with the Almighty; I love Him and keep His commandments (including the fourth commandment).
If you choose to follow the beast that is against my advice and against the will of Elohiym. Your weak rationalisations and justifications based on misreadings of scripture will be judged by the author of scripture, who created all things in six days, and who hallowed and set apart the seventh day as the sabbath.
There is no prohibition on worshipping on the first or any other day of the week, but there remains a sabbath of rest which is the seventh day.
The resurrection was completed on the sabbath, before the feast of first-fruits (which always occurs on the first day of the week) when Yahusha presented himself before his father in heaven, and before his friends here on earth.
1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
Matthew 28 KJV
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[ - ] Reawakened 0 points 9 monthsJul 25, 2024 07:57:14 ago (+0/-0)
I believe the 7th Day Adventists are a cult trying to pervert Jesus perfect sacrifice into some push back under the law he liberated us from.
I consider the law as complete through Christ Jesus and I choose to worship him on the first day, as that is the day he is risen. The sabbath was the end of death and the first day was the beginning of life. It's OK, we will just continue to disagree.
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[ - ] doginventer [op] 0 points 9 monthsJul 25, 2024 09:24:47 ago (+0/-0)
Thank you sir, and my best wishes to you also :)
Afaik not all SDAs consider E G White to be a prophet, and I am not an SDA myself.
The authority for the keeping of the sabbath begins in Genesis and continues throughout scripture.
Nowhere is there any mentioning of it’s annulment or transfer, that was a 4th century Roman imposition in a further attempt to extinguish the church, which has crossed millennia and cost millions of lives.
The ‘law’ Yahusha was fighting against was the one which perverted, added to, and took away from the word of scripture which he himself inspired, quoted, and walked.
It is good to worship and pray continually, and on any day, but the sabbath is a commandment, not a choice of when to worship.
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exodus 20:8 King James Version
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1 John 3:4 King James Version
Where is this written?
The sabbath was ordained before the fall.
1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Genesis 2:1-3 King James Version
The resurrection took place on the sabbath, and the presentation of ‘first fruits’ took place as it is commanded; on the day following the sabbath within the feast of unleavened bread.
As I’m sure you know, we are commanded to be watchmen and will be held guilty if any are lost because we failed to blow the trumpet.
Even so, to disagree - even most agreeably :) with me is unimportant, but what does our Adonai say?
12 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.
14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
Exodus 31:12-17 King James Version
And what is it that the followers of Constantine offer as a replacement?
Do they break bread with you? Or do they, as your intercessors, conduct a ‘mass’ to raise up a dead spirit and command it to enter a biscuit?
And do you pass a cup of wine between you? Or does your priest control your access to the golden cup?
Is all this conducted as often as you shall meet? Or on ‘the venerable day of the sun’? The day of pagan worship?
Did Yahusha or any of the disciples do or preach any of these?