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Circular reasoning: Claiming the Earth is a sphere.

submitted by McNasty to SPACEisFAKEandGAY 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 20:45:37 ago (+2/-6)     (SPACEisFAKEandGAY)

Argument Against Ancient Claims of a Round Earth

1. Initial Assumptions: Ancient scholars such as Pythagoras, Aristotle, and Eratosthenes began with the philosophical assumption that the Earth was a sphere. This assumption was influenced by their desire for symmetry and perfection in nature, rather than empirical evidence.

2. Interpretation of Observations: Scholars interpreted various observations to fit their assumption of a spherical Earth. For instance:
- Lunar Eclipse Shadow: They argued that the round shadow on the moon during a lunar eclipse indicated a spherical Earth. However, this interpretation ignored phenomena like the selenelion, where the sun and moon can be seen in the sky simultaneously during an eclipse. The occurrence of a selenelion challenges the simplistic spherical Earth explanation and was disregarded by these scholars.
- Ships Disappearing Over the Horizon: They claimed that ships disappearing hull-first over the horizon suggested a curved surface. In the context of a flat Earth, this observation can be explained as an illusion caused by atmospheric conditions. When moisture is in the air, it creates refraction. Refraction causes light particles traveling from the object to the observer to separate. Light particles at the bottom of the object spread from the other particles and eventually collide with the Earth out of the observer's line of sight, creating the illusion that the ship is being obstructed from the bottom up.
- Star Positions and Constellations: The variation in star positions with latitude was taken as evidence for a spherical Earth. In a flat Earth model, the apparent movement of stars can be attributed to the structure of the firmament, without requiring a spherical Earth.
- Astrolabe Functionality: The astrolabe, an ancient instrument used for solving problems related to time and the position of the stars, only works accurately on a flat Earth. The device assumes a flat plane to measure angles and celestial positions effectively, contradicting the spherical Earth model.

3. Fallacies and Oversights: The interpretations of these observations were selective and often ignored contradictory evidence:
- Selenelion Phenomenon: The occurrence of selenelions, where both the sun and the eclipsed moon are visible at the same time, was overlooked. This phenomenon is difficult to explain with a simple spherical Earth model but can be explained by other means within a flat Earth context.
- Selective Evidence: Scholars focused on evidence that supported their spherical model while dismissing or ignoring observations that did not fit.
- Pythagoras' Theorem Fallacy: Pythagoras' theorem claims that \(a^2 + b^2 = c^2\). To solve for \(c\), one needs to know the values of \(a\) and \(b\). However, determining \(a\) and \(b\) would require knowing \(c\), creating a circular reasoning problem. This fallacy undermines the reliability of using geometric principles to justify the shape of the Earth when based on incomplete or assumed measurements.

4. Circular Reasoning in Interpretations:
- Scholars used their initial assumption of a spherical Earth to interpret observations and then used those interpretations to reinforce their original assumption.
- This process is circular reasoning, where the conclusion is assumed in the premise and used to prove itself.

5. Lack of Direct Evidence: No direct evidence was available to conclusively prove the Earth was a sphere. All conclusions were based on interpretations of observations that could have alternative explanations under a flat Earth model.

6. Dismissal of Alternative Models: Alternative explanations, such as those proposing a flat Earth, were often dismissed without thorough consideration. This dismissal was based on the prevailing philosophical bias rather than empirical refutation.

7. Historical Continuity and Bias: The spherical Earth model became entrenched in scholarly tradition and education, creating a bias that perpetuated the model without critical reassessment.

Conclusion

The argument against ancient claims that they proved the Earth was round is that:
- They began with an unverified assumption of a spherical Earth influenced by philosophical ideas of symmetry.
- They selectively interpreted observations to fit this assumption, engaging in circular reasoning.
- They ignored or dismissed contradictory evidence such as the selenelion phenomenon.
- They relied on geometric principles, such as Pythagoras' theorem, that involved circular reasoning.
- They overlooked the fact that instruments like the astrolabe only function accurately on a flat Earth.
- They lacked direct evidence to conclusively prove their hypothesis.
- Their conclusions were reinforced by historical continuity and bias rather than empirical verification.

This suggests that their claims were based on flawed reasoning, relying on assumptions and selective interpretations that supported their initial beliefs while ignoring alternative explanations consistent with a flat and stationary Earth.


27 comments block


[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 23:08:05 ago (+1/-0)

The distance from Perth Australia to Ushuaia Argentina is 6450 miles.

The distance from Ottawa Canada to Bejing China is 6911.

This is only possible on a spherical earth.

[ - ] McNasty [op] 1 point 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 23:09:55 ago (+2/-1)

Not shit. That's why the Earth is flat.

https://files.catbox.moe/e8kule.png

[ - ] FreeinTX 0 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 23:10:58 ago (+0/-0)

This isn't possible on a flat earth. It's only possible on a spherical earth. This has nothing to do with divergent sun rays, ya disingenuous fucking nigger.

The earth cannot possibly be flat.

https://www.voat.xyz/viewpost?postid=66a63ecd27027

The biggest problem are distances on the flat earth. Only distances exactly north-south are correct. All other distances are wrong, especially south of the equator, eg. Australia is 2.5 times too wide on the flat earth.

Seen here.
https://files.catbox.moe/atwc9a.jpg

Only if we deform the flat earth until it is a globe we can get all distances right.

ONLY IF ... get all the distances right.

[ - ] McNasty [op] 1 point 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 23:13:45 ago (+2/-1)

Don't be a retard. Only retards would deny that it is possible on both.

https://files.catbox.moe/ehqban.png

[ - ] FreeinTX 0 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 23:14:14 ago (+0/-0)

Prove it. Again, this isn't about a model. This is about actual distances, than can be and have been measured.

The earth cannot possibly be flat.

https://www.voat.xyz/viewpost?postid=66a63ecd27027

The biggest problem are distances on the flat earth. Only distances exactly north-south are correct. All other distances are wrong, especially south of the equator, eg. Australia is 2.5 times too wide on the flat earth.

Seen here.
https://files.catbox.moe/atwc9a.jpg

Only if we deform the flat earth until it is a globe we can get all distances right.

ONLY IF ... get all the distances right.

[ - ] McNasty [op] 1 point 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 23:15:19 ago (+2/-1)

That's what the picture is doing. It proves that the same outcome can be achieved with a small local sun on a flat Earth or a large distance Sun on a curved Earth. The observation itself proves nothing.

[ - ] FreeinTX 0 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 23:17:33 ago (+0/-0)

https://files.catbox.moe/atwc9a.jpg
This model is provably false. Australia is not proportioned in this way. This picture isn't "doing" anything.

The earth cannot possibly be flat.

https://www.voat.xyz/viewpost?postid=66a63ecd27027

The biggest problem are distances on the flat earth. Only distances exactly north-south are correct. All other distances are wrong, especially south of the equator, eg. Australia is 2.5 times too wide on the flat earth.

Seen here.
https://files.catbox.moe/atwc9a.jpg

Only if we deform the flat earth until it is a globe we can get all distances right.

ONLY IF ... get all the distances right.

[ - ] McNasty [op] 1 point 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 23:19:27 ago (+2/-1)

Dude, You're a retard. Calm down and just let the comments speak for themselves. You think you've convinced anybody of anything, Great for you!.

[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 23:21:32 ago (+1/-0)

No. Everyone here knows that you're full of shit and that you're a disingenuous fucking nigger with suicide as your best option. Do it! Put the gun in your mouth and pull the fucking trigger. Everyone hates you, even your friends, you disingenuous fucking nigger.

The earth cannot possibly be flat.

https://www.voat.xyz/viewpost?postid=66a63ecd27027

The biggest problem are distances on the flat earth. Only distances exactly north-south are correct. All other distances are wrong, especially south of the equator, eg. Australia is 2.5 times too wide on the flat earth.

Seen here.
https://files.catbox.moe/atwc9a.jpg

Only if we deform the flat earth until it is a globe we can get all distances right.

ONLY IF ... get all the distances right.

[ - ] McNasty [op] 1 point 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 23:24:24 ago (+2/-1)

Cool. You're so smart.

[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 23:03:44 ago (+1/-0)

The earth cannot possibly be flat.

https://www.voat.xyz/viewpost?postid=66a63ecd27027

The biggest problem are distances on the flat earth. Only distances exactly north-south are correct. All other distances are wrong, especially south of the equator, eg. Australia is 2.5 times too wide on the flat earth.

Seen here.
https://files.catbox.moe/atwc9a.jpg

Only if we deform the flat earth until it is a globe we can get all distances right.

ONLY IF ... get all the distances right.

[ - ] McNasty [op] 0 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 23:05:29 ago (+1/-1)

It's objectively flat. That's why you can see further than a globe horizon allows.

[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 23:09:06 ago (+1/-0)

Show me proof of that using a picture that shows an object that should be over the horizon but can be seen, except instead of it being over a spance of water, have it be over a spance of land.

And again,
The earth cannot possibly be flat.

https://www.voat.xyz/viewpost?postid=66a63ecd27027

The biggest problem are distances on the flat earth. Only distances exactly north-south are correct. All other distances are wrong, especially south of the equator, eg. Australia is 2.5 times too wide on the flat earth.

Seen here.
https://files.catbox.moe/atwc9a.jpg

Only if we deform the flat earth until it is a globe we can get all distances right.

ONLY IF ... get all the distances right.

[ - ] McNasty [op] 0 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 23:14:41 ago (+1/-1)

Prison experiment you can do yourself and that shows you how the horizon works. It's retard proof.

https://youtu.be/YG40kkbh734

[ - ] FreeinTX 0 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 23:25:52 ago (+0/-0)

Hey illiterate fucking nigger, try reading.

...except instead of it being over a spance of water, have it be over a spance of land.

Notice you can't.

[ - ] McNasty [op] 0 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 23:26:42 ago (+1/-1)

Lol. Why. There's no experiment you can do that proves we should be able to see further than a spherical Earth horizon would allow.

[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 23:29:52 ago (+1/-0)

There's no experiment you can do that proves we should be able to see further than a spherical Earth horizon would allow.

This isn't even fucking English.


There is no experiment that you can do that the will show an object that would otherwise be over the horizon, over a spance of land, not water.

[ - ] McNasty [op] -1 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 23:31:06 ago (+0/-1)

You do know that I never read your comments, right? Maybe the first line. Keep them short and don't waste your time.

[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 23:32:40 ago (+1/-0)

Suck a dick, ya disingenuous fucking nigger. Short 'nuff? Faggot?

The earth cannot possibly be flat.

https://www.voat.xyz/viewpost?postid=66a63ecd27027

The biggest problem are distances on the flat earth. Only distances exactly north-south are correct. All other distances are wrong, especially south of the equator, eg. Australia is 2.5 times too wide on the flat earth.

Seen here.
https://files.catbox.moe/atwc9a.jpg

Only if we deform the flat earth until it is a globe we can get all distances right.

ONLY IF ... get all the distances right.

[ - ] McNasty [op] 0 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 23:33:07 ago (+1/-1)

Remember, Short and sweet.

[ - ] McNasty [op] -1 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 23:31:20 ago (+0/-1)

You do know that I never read your comments, right? Maybe the first line. Keep them short and don't waste your time.