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That's not a genuine argument. You would have to tell me how you know what the Earth looks like if we both agree that NASA is not a credible source. Again, I am not saying that because NASA is not credible that it proves to flat Earth. I'm saying is that I need to figure out how you would come to that conclusion and you can't use the source we agreed is not credible.

If we never achieved space flight then it means the only way we know the shape of the earth is through terrestrial means. The only possible way to make a map terrestrially is with an azimuthal equidistant projection. This projection assumes a flat Earth and then marks a point in the center and measures the distances to landmarks relative to that point. So any globe that was created prior to space flight simply took a flat Earth and wrapped it around their assumed globe. There is no way around that.


This is irrelevant because we are claiming that they are lying about plane flights. The only way to verify plane flights is through emergency landings that are not planned for. There are several books that extensively cover how emergency landings would support the flat Earth.


It's just human perception. You have a limit called angular resolution. When you combine this limit with atmospheric refraction, it gives us exactly what we see. This can be reproduced by anybody. As for stars, we would be viewing stars that are further away at such an angle that they would be passing through way more atmosphere than stars directly above us. Refraction causes those stars to magnify. The inverse square law dictates that when light is traveling towards the observer, The particles are moving outward away from each other as they travel. A medium like water or humidity will slow that travel down. This means that those particles will move a further distance away from each other in a shorter distance towards the observer. This is what creates the magnifying effect. The particles that originated at the bottom of the objects you were looking at are closer to the ground and would be obstructed by the ground and never reach the observer's eye. This gives the illusion that ships will appear to be obstructed from the bottom up, it creates sunsets where the sun appears the same size as it did at noon because as it gets smaller in angular resolution it gets larger with atmospheric refraction, giving the same effect that ships see when they travel to distant Islands. The island will appear to be the same size for a large portion of the journey.

Here's a simple experiment anybody can do to verify that these effects can happen on a flat plane.

https://youtu.be/YG40kkbh734

If you want an example of how this would affect the Stars, here is and interactive flat Earth model.

http://walter.bislins.ch/bloge/index.asp?page=Flat+Earth+Dome+Model&state=--635-21.6-1345.76565-14.0633681-2355.9583-30-91-21-2

If you scroll down, you will see buttons. Click on the stars and it will give you a demonstration of what flat earthers claim to see.

Disclaimer, The guy that made that model is a globe earther. He made it to prove the flat Earth wrong. He claims that he did because he says that he had to distort the light from the heliocentric model to match what flat Earth is. Flat earthers never claimed that the heliocentric numbers are correct therefore his assumption that we accept heliocentric numbers makes his observation irrelevant. Therefore, the model itself is an accurate representation of what flat Earth claims to see.


No they can. That would imply that the is nowhere around in the southern hemisphere. You can't see stars during the day.


Because nighttime is only a couple of hours and that's the only time you can see stars.

I don't know if you're genuine or not but earlier you said you used to think it could be flat. A long long time ago I did the same thing because of a couple points that made me think. I lost interest because I was naive and didn't realize how much counterintelligence is out there. When I heard the flat Earth society say that it was basically a pancake flying through space and that gravity is the force of the Earth pancake moving through outer space, I thought it was ridiculous and I said flat Earth's are crazy. It wasn't until years after that when I finally had an epiphany and realized that what if is fake and gay? What if we aren't on some floating pancake but instead part of some macrocosm microcosm universe where our structure is that of an atom. When atoms Bond to other atoms, there is a flat surface in between them like two balloons being pushed together. This surface has the nucleus of each atom attracting each other and smashing into flat discs. Their electrons have to orbit them just as flat earth claims our stars and planets move. Even ancient cultures referred to the seven heavens or firmaments. This is a direct link to an atom and its seven valence shells. They even tell you that atom is the first man in multiple religions. That's not even exclusive to Christianity or judaism.

I probably don't have the same idea of a flat Earth as anybody you ever met. So arguing with flat Earth there's will be different than arguing with me. I definitely don't claim. We are a pancake floating through fake and gay space.