A tomato has 1/1000 as much nicotine as a cigarette, an eggplant has about 1/100 as much nicotine as a cigarette. The idea that you're getting a significant amount of nicotine from vegetables is disingenuous.
I agree. Nobody is processing the leaves of these plants to make the substance more available, nor to get the direct injection into the blood stream (normal digestion is much, much more constrained).
At the same time, I can appreciate the point that substances aren't addictive. Human nervous systems + substances + individual traits and behaviors are what constitute addictions. At the same time, it's generally a good idea for people to stay away from drugs most strongly associated with addictions because that's what intelligent creatures do. If you're an animal and three of your pals have not come back after going into the cave, you should probably fuck off. Anybody who is turning this into a 'smoking is good for you' ad is retarded.
While I agree the video's overall message is bullshit, he does inadvertently explain why secondhand smoke studies are flawed. The presence of cotinine in the blood was the original evidence that nonsmokers were being affected by cigarette smoke. They ran with that and used it as the basis to say any health issues related to tobacco use were essentially transferable to anyone around a smoker, regardless of separation, the use of air filters, and so forth.
One of my old school teachers was a ridiculous smoker. He claimed he was a health expert and he was always using nicotine gum and patches, and chain smoked on weekends.
He's in his 90s now. Spends most of his time with family. Mentally, he's still just as sharp as he was during his teaching days. He would often say that people need to decide for themselves what they feel is healthy vs. unhealthy for them.
[ - ] dass 2 points 1 monthOct 29, 2024 19:56:20 ago (+2/-0)
Yep, My Father was a chain smoker since he was 14 and a heavy drinker, up at 3 or 5 am every morning for a 10 hour shift - only ever recalled him having less than a single hand of days off his entire working life. Lived into his 80's still smoking before passing in his sleep - zero lung cancer.
[ - ] dass 2 points 1 monthOct 29, 2024 20:28:43 ago (+2/-0)
TBF, He was an extremely fit, hardworking, regimented perfectionist that had severe unaddressed early childhood trauma that presented in overly critical, cynical, perfectionism and violent alcoholism - however he was still my Father and i take your point, ultimately i am mostly who i am today bc of it. So ...meh it is what it is - life today is good, despite living in clown world.
PS - didnt mean to dismiss your kind comment, but i felt some honest context was needed.
I smoke lucky strike filter less from time to time. I don't think it's the tobacco. I think it's the added chemicals in shit smokes like menthols and I definitely think there are chemicals in the filters.
[ - ] dass 3 points 1 monthOct 29, 2024 15:43:37 ago (+3/-0)*
The tobacco industry disclosed they use up to 600 different additives during the manufacture process for commercial tobacco during a Govt/ FDA inquiry back in the late 80's early 90's.(The full list use to be online - Preservatives. Humectants. Flavors. Processing aids. Chemicals like ammonia and tobacco-specific nitrosamines (TSNAs) may also be added during manufacturing. Sugar and flavor additives may be used to mask the harshness of smoke ). Many of these additives are carcinogenic, toxic and otherwise considered poisonous in large quantities. They have simply re-introduced waste material that would previously have required safe disposal fees into a publicly sold consumable product. They dont even use the actual plant material as 'tobacco'. The juice from the leaf is pressed out. Large unbleached rolls of recycled paper are soaked/ rolled in the juice and then cut up to replicate tobacco leaf - if you look closely it is all small uniform square/ triangle shape. During all this the additives have been introduced to help with taste profile, burn speed, prevent staling, etc etc and just filler. In fact the same material, only thinner, that is used to manufacture the cigarette packet is what is used, unbleached and uncolored, for the cigarette tobacco.
Pay the extra money and purchase quality organic / additive free tobacco products. Even better grow your own hydroponic set up. I'm considering that myself - with a view to also including my own poppy plants for extraction (allegedly!!) .
Yes. And I remember many years ago the old men saying that the sun dried tobacco (mostly the hand-rolling and pipe baccy) lost most of it’s sugars in the drying process making it far less unhealthy than the kiln dried (mostly tailor mades) stuff.
I believe most cigars are still naturally dried, cigarettes are steamed... What's pretty neat is cigar rollers in South America get Spanish literature read to them... Some may be recordings now, but it's still a cool tradition, especially if you're into Spanish poetry
I heard something like Cubans ain't what they used to be, like the government fucked up the soil. Dominican may be new top dog, but it depends on brand and taste too. I'll take a CAO Columbian, over a CAO Brazil
Right, the enormous governmental push to crush smoking really makes me think. The government doesn't care about people dying from cancer in their 50s+. If they did, they'd be legislating against high fructose bullshit being used as a filler in so many things. Or, they would take physical education more seriously and run state-sponsored exercise programs. Obesity-related shit kills more people than cancer by a pretty good margin, so eliminating that would REALLY help the health of the country.
Instead, they threw billions of dollars into anti-smoking campaigns. I think about how smoking was almost, if not, a majority activity like 70 years ago... Is it just the tobacco that's killing people? Or is it all of the junk used to treat it, and the filters?
I'm not convinced that smoking is the killer that we were told it is. After covid bullshit, I'll never trust any medical institution again.
Cigarettes are not even made from tobacco leaves. I used to haul cigarettes out of RJ Reynolds plant. What is done is: STEP ONE - The processing plants buy the dried leaves from farmers, mash them down with water into a soupy mix, strain off the leaf parts. STEP TWO: Chemicals including formaldehyde are mixed into the soupy liquid mix. STEP THREE - Giant rolls of paper cross rollers at high speed send the paper across the plant. The soupy liquid is sprayed onto the paper as it rolls. STEP FOUR - Gas heaters under the last rollers heat and dry the paper. STEP 5 - Cutting machines dice the paper into tiny rectangular bits. STEP SIX - Cigarette rolling machines fill paper tubes (the same type of paper) with the shredded bits of the sprayed and dried shreds.
Just look at the 'tobacco' in a cigarette. That's not tobacco, it's sprayed paper. The addictive substances are sprayed on the paper. Not the nicotine.
Anecdotal, by pure coincidence started smoking cigars right before COVID, as a fuck you to our Judeo society I started smoking a lot in places where you weren’t supposed to, fuck lockdowns. I lost my sense of taste for a bit, assume that was COVID, but never got sick. Have now switched to Zyn and shocked that I’m not getting seasonal cold and flu over the last 5 years.
[ - ] dass 2 points 1 monthOct 29, 2024 20:51:59 ago (+2/-0)
Agreed. i use to smoke relentlessly as a teen/ young man - had given up for over 10 years, but began again maybe a decade ago, except now i never smoke before midday and typically only smoke a cigarette or two in the late afternoon/ after dinner as a nightly ritual - sit outside with my thoughts for some peaceful meditative quiet time with a cigarette.
I think he is right, in that nicotine in its natural state is not addictive. But when you extract it and concentrate it, it becomes addictive. Same with cocaine. Supposedly you can chew coca leaves all you want and it's harmless, but once you extract a bunch and snort it up your nose, it gets you high and becomes addictive.
I mean, hell. If there are benefits to having nicotine I'd be willing to try it out from ingesting it from vegetables or such. But I can't see any true benefit from smoking any substance for health reason.
Granted if it killed my sense of taste maybe I'd have a easier time not overeating.
Would be curious to try fresh cut tobacco that has not been through 1000 chemical processes just to see the difference. But considering how much I've seen a guy on the same floor of my apartment complex smokes and how god awful the smell is from him smoking 2-3packs a day, it's not a habit I would want to start.
[ - ] hylo 1 point 1 monthOct 29, 2024 10:12:59 ago (+1/-0)
This is almost as stupid as the flat earth shit. You would need to eat 20-40 eggplants to get the same amount of nicotine found in a cigarette.
Smoking is bad for you. There are many chemicals you ingest with nicotine like arsenic, cyanide, etc... It turns your lungs black on the inside from the fine paticulates that get through the filter. If people smoked into their 90s that's because of genetics. Most die horribly from lung cancer or Emphysema like my aunt. She kept smoking even after she got sick. She loved her granddaughter very much but didn't get to spend the time she wanted with her.
[ - ] canbot 1 point 1 monthOct 29, 2024 05:06:38 ago (+1/-0)
This is so stupid. If the claims were true then people who drink a lot of coffee would be far less likely to get sick. Every study ever done on the health effects of drinking tea and coffee would show the benefits.
[ + ] NaturalSelectionistWorker
[ - ] NaturalSelectionistWorker 11 points 1 monthOct 29, 2024 05:01:43 ago (+11/-0)
[ + ] CHIRO
[ - ] CHIRO 3 points 1 monthOct 29, 2024 09:22:29 ago (+3/-0)
At the same time, I can appreciate the point that substances aren't addictive. Human nervous systems + substances + individual traits and behaviors are what constitute addictions. At the same time, it's generally a good idea for people to stay away from drugs most strongly associated with addictions because that's what intelligent creatures do. If you're an animal and three of your pals have not come back after going into the cave, you should probably fuck off. Anybody who is turning this into a 'smoking is good for you' ad is retarded.
[ + ] Jinglebanger
[ - ] Jinglebanger 1 point 1 monthOct 29, 2024 12:50:19 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Love240
[ - ] Love240 [op] 0 points 1 monthOct 30, 2024 07:46:35 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Belfuro
[ - ] Belfuro 9 points 1 monthOct 29, 2024 03:04:48 ago (+11/-2)
The same scientific groups blaming smoking for cancer that blamed deaths on covid.
That smoking rates have crashed but lung cancer rates are the same.
That told us that second hand smoke kills, banned it from our lives then went. Oops second hand smoke is harmless
I do believe that repeated burns from hot smoke can cause cancer.
But that can be avoided and nicotine passes through any skin. No need for lungs.
Nicotine sharpens the mind. Protects against neuron diseases. Raises thinking , calms and stimulates.
And is great to stop food cravings.
A year ago I was visited leading me, an ardent anti smoker, to grow and smoke my own tobacco.
But you all do you.
[ + ] AlexanderMorose13
[ - ] AlexanderMorose13 5 points 1 monthOct 29, 2024 09:22:40 ago (+5/-0)
He's in his 90s now. Spends most of his time with family. Mentally, he's still just as sharp as he was during his teaching days. He would often say that people need to decide for themselves what they feel is healthy vs. unhealthy for them.
Makes me really think.
[ + ] dass
[ - ] dass 2 points 1 monthOct 29, 2024 19:56:20 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] AlexanderMorose13
[ - ] AlexanderMorose13 2 points 1 monthOct 29, 2024 20:08:54 ago (+2/-0)
Your Dad was an honorable man.
May his name and legacy pass with grace into yours.
[ + ] dass
[ - ] dass 2 points 1 monthOct 29, 2024 20:28:43 ago (+2/-0)
PS - didnt mean to dismiss your kind comment, but i felt some honest context was needed.
[ + ] __47__
[ - ] __47__ 5 points 1 monthOct 29, 2024 11:16:27 ago (+5/-0)
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[ - ] deleted 3 points 1 monthOct 29, 2024 14:59:33 ago (+3/-0)
[ + ] dass
[ - ] dass 3 points 1 monthOct 29, 2024 15:43:37 ago (+3/-0)*
Many of these additives are carcinogenic, toxic and otherwise considered poisonous in large quantities.
They have simply re-introduced waste material that would previously have required safe disposal fees into a publicly sold consumable product.
They dont even use the actual plant material as 'tobacco'.
The juice from the leaf is pressed out.
Large unbleached rolls of recycled paper are soaked/ rolled in the juice and then cut up to replicate tobacco leaf - if you look closely it is all small uniform square/ triangle shape.
During all this the additives have been introduced to help with taste profile, burn speed, prevent staling, etc etc and just filler.
In fact the same material, only thinner, that is used to manufacture the cigarette packet is what is used, unbleached and uncolored, for the cigarette tobacco.
EDIT: These are only 93 of the additives the FDA consider Harmful and potentially harmful, while many other of the over 600 additives form carcingenic compounds during burning.
https://www.fda.gov/tobacco-products/rules-regulations-and-guidance/harmful-and-potentially-harmful-constituents-tobacco-products-and-tobacco-smoke-established-list
https://www.fda.gov/tobacco-products/products-ingredients-components/how-cigarette-engineered
Note under the 'Additives' section - it is my strong belief it is the additives and manufacturing process that is responsible for the cancer causing properties.
Normies are stupid and easily led/ persuaded.
Pay the extra money and purchase quality organic / additive free tobacco products.
Even better grow your own hydroponic set up.
I'm considering that myself - with a view to also including my own poppy plants for extraction (allegedly!!) .
[ + ] doginventer
[ - ] doginventer 1 point 1 monthOct 30, 2024 07:23:04 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Smedleys_Butler
[ - ] Smedleys_Butler 1 point 1 monthOct 30, 2024 07:37:45 ago (+1/-0)
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[ - ] doginventer 0 points 1 monthOct 30, 2024 07:45:40 ago (+0/-0)
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[ - ] Smedleys_Butler 2 points 1 monthOct 30, 2024 07:51:19 ago (+2/-0)
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[ + ] BloodyComet
[ - ] BloodyComet 4 points 1 monthOct 29, 2024 15:08:54 ago (+4/-0)
Instead, they threw billions of dollars into anti-smoking campaigns. I think about how smoking was almost, if not, a majority activity like 70 years ago... Is it just the tobacco that's killing people? Or is it all of the junk used to treat it, and the filters?
I'm not convinced that smoking is the killer that we were told it is. After covid bullshit, I'll never trust any medical institution again.
[ + ] Belfuro
[ - ] Belfuro 3 points 1 monthOct 30, 2024 02:09:48 ago (+3/-0)
Since when has our jewish Governments done anything for our benefit?
I grow and smoke my own because I don't trust jewish big corporations with my food or water or health supplies.
[ + ] NegaroNegaroNeeegaro
[ - ] NegaroNegaroNeeegaro 7 points 1 monthOct 29, 2024 06:13:54 ago (+7/-0)
[ + ] Anus_Expander
[ - ] Anus_Expander 7 points 1 monthOct 29, 2024 09:03:09 ago (+7/-0)
[ + ] Panic
[ - ] Panic 4 points 1 monthOct 29, 2024 11:56:12 ago (+4/-0)*
STEP ONE - The processing plants buy the dried leaves from farmers, mash them down with water into a soupy mix, strain off the leaf parts.
STEP TWO: Chemicals including formaldehyde are mixed into the soupy liquid mix.
STEP THREE - Giant rolls of paper cross rollers at high speed send the paper across the plant. The soupy liquid is sprayed onto the paper as it rolls.
STEP FOUR - Gas heaters under the last rollers heat and dry the paper.
STEP 5 - Cutting machines dice the paper into tiny rectangular bits.
STEP SIX - Cigarette rolling machines fill paper tubes (the same type of paper) with the shredded bits of the sprayed and dried shreds.
Just look at the 'tobacco' in a cigarette. That's not tobacco, it's sprayed paper. The addictive substances are sprayed on the paper. Not the nicotine.
[ + ] dass
[ - ] dass 2 points 1 monthOct 29, 2024 20:45:38 ago (+2/-0)
I recalled reading/ hearing this from somewhere else (maybe here/) but could not remember the exact process.
[ + ] dass
[ - ] dass 1 point 1 monthOct 29, 2024 20:33:36 ago (+1/-0)
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[ - ] dass 1 point 1 monthOct 29, 2024 20:47:36 ago (+1/-0)
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[ - ] dass 2 points 1 monthOct 29, 2024 20:53:33 ago (+2/-0)
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[ - ] Anus_Expander 2 points 1 monthOct 29, 2024 22:10:56 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] dass
[ - ] dass 2 points 1 monthOct 30, 2024 02:01:02 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] NoRefunds
[ - ] NoRefunds 4 points 1 monthOct 29, 2024 06:21:09 ago (+4/-0)
I quit on the spot when I started my new job in 2015.
I didn't quit before that because I simply didn't want to. Simple as that.
[ + ] VitaminSieg
[ - ] VitaminSieg 3 points 1 monthOct 29, 2024 12:26:01 ago (+3/-0)
[ + ] dass
[ - ] dass 2 points 1 monthOct 29, 2024 20:51:59 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] Doglegwarrior
[ - ] Doglegwarrior 2 points 1 monthOct 29, 2024 10:31:06 ago (+2/-0)
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[ - ] Clubberlang 2 points 1 monthOct 29, 2024 10:50:30 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] dass
[ - ] dass 1 point 1 monthOct 29, 2024 20:54:28 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] DoughGoy
[ - ] DoughGoy 2 points 1 monthOct 29, 2024 07:28:44 ago (+2/-0)
Same with cocaine. Supposedly you can chew coca leaves all you want and it's harmless, but once you extract a bunch and snort it up your nose, it gets you high and becomes addictive.
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 2 points 1 monthOct 29, 2024 07:02:15 ago (+2/-0)
This guy is an idiot.
[ + ] Feelslikeclownworld
[ - ] Feelslikeclownworld 2 points 1 monthOct 29, 2024 04:25:06 ago (+2/-0)
Granted if it killed my sense of taste maybe I'd have a easier time not overeating.
Would be curious to try fresh cut tobacco that has not been through 1000 chemical processes just to see the difference. But considering how much I've seen a guy on the same floor of my apartment complex smokes and how god awful the smell is from him smoking 2-3packs a day, it's not a habit I would want to start.
[ + ] hylo
[ - ] hylo 1 point 1 monthOct 29, 2024 10:12:59 ago (+1/-0)
Smoking is bad for you. There are many chemicals you ingest with nicotine like arsenic, cyanide, etc... It turns your lungs black on the inside from the fine paticulates that get through the filter. If people smoked into their 90s that's because of genetics. Most die horribly from lung cancer or Emphysema like my aunt. She kept smoking even after she got sick. She loved her granddaughter very much but didn't get to spend the time she wanted with her.
Retards.
[ + ] doginventer
[ - ] doginventer 0 points 1 monthOct 30, 2024 07:10:45 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Love240
[ - ] Love240 [op] 0 points 1 monthOct 30, 2024 07:45:10 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] DivineLight2
[ - ] DivineLight2 1 point 1 monthOct 29, 2024 09:29:56 ago (+1/-0)
Inhaling smoke directly into your lungs massively inflames them.
[ + ] Love240
[ - ] Love240 [op] 0 points 1 monthOct 30, 2024 07:46:22 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] RMGoetbbels
[ - ] RMGoetbbels 1 point 1 monthOct 29, 2024 05:09:36 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] canbot
[ - ] canbot 1 point 1 monthOct 29, 2024 05:06:38 ago (+1/-0)
This is at best AI generated trash.
[ + ] doginventer
[ - ] doginventer 5 points 1 monthOct 29, 2024 06:38:59 ago (+5/-0)
[ + ] canbot
[ - ] canbot 1 point 1 monthOct 29, 2024 15:05:11 ago (+1/-0)
But still, this is not a new compound, it has been studied by a lot of people. The point still stands.
[ + ] doginventer
[ - ] doginventer 0 points 1 monthOct 30, 2024 07:09:03 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Master_Foo
[ - ] Master_Foo 0 points 1 monthOct 29, 2024 19:49:49 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Love240
[ - ] Love240 [op] 1 point 1 monthOct 29, 2024 20:20:25 ago (+1/-0)