In the spirit of honest problem-solving rather than just leaving it at "welfare bad", that was the conclusion after trying to make it work (unlike many of its recipients...).
The first incompatibility is no-obligation welfare plus any form of immigration. It doesn't matter if there's a legal process with figurative barriers to entry with complement the literal barriers to entry at the border, if people can get in then just claim benefits, the society stops being functional.
Adjacent to that is voting while on welfare. Whether the "democracy" is genuine or just fake and gay theatrics, a government will always be happy to pay more welfare in return for votes.
The problems with it are endless, and all wrapped around the central problem of being too easy just to choose to remain on welfare. The only option is for recipients to do something in return.
There is always serving in the military of course, but that leaves behind some who are unable. There is also cleaning/improving the commons, and more generally some sort of market where people can get hire unskilled workers for a day, but that still doesn't solve it due to one last complication.
Niggers.
More correctly, people being worthless niggers in effect, even if not literally a nigger. Some who simply refuse, others who fail their tasks and are therefore as bad or usually worse than refusing. One cannot extract anything in return from somebody fundamentally unable to provide anything.
The only way it works is if the last stop is the arena. That alone will turn many refusers into compliers, so I think we'd be down to a few percent of dregs at most who get thrown into the ring, but either way those niggers get nothing without fighting for it.
They also MUST fight one way or another, no mutual agreement to sit around instead and no dragging innocent animals into it like the Romans did. The gates stay shut until a minimum number are dead, and only then do any survivors get a few gibs and a chance to choose a different task tomorrow.
No failing at that either, or it's back into the niggerdome.
Don’t forget that social security is welfare. We cannot afford to subsidize elderly millionaire welfare queens while workers cant afford to marry and reproduce. Do we remove the vote from SS recipients? Do we end all SS/medicare benefits?
I believe that, at least for men, the vote must be tied to a minimum number of years devoted to gainful employment in a job producing tangible wealth. Maybe 7 years or so. A good example of such work would be a builder or a farmer or a doctor or a computer programmer or a factory worker. Exceptions would be a plastic surgeon or programmer who designs video games or a factory worker that makes beer or a farmer that grows weed.
Not included in the productive jobs category would be any government worker, a land lord, a merchant, a usurer or investor, a lawyer, a social worker, an academic/teacher, a cop or a soldier. None of the people in these professions should vote unless they have already performed the work requirement in a productive job. Bureacracy makes nothing. Reallocation of wealth from productive jobs to bull shit jobs with subjectively valued work products is an even bigger problem that simple welfare.
Not enough people understand that Whites are living off welfare too— its just disguised to look like productivity. No votes for people who’s work products are fake and gay!
I realize there are some jobs that are gray areas in terms of true wealth production. We can hammer out the details on work categories. It wont be perfect. Maybe some jobs will require a longer requirement before voting rights are granted.
Women dont contribute as much through productivity but they do contribute through childbirth and child rearing. Women who have children in marriage should vote. Reproductivity is productivity. Otherwise women should be subject to a work requirement and not in a bullshit job.
Obviously we do not want low IQ people to be incentivized for reproduction. Nor do we want morally degenerate people to be incentivized to reproduce or allowed to vote. People who divorce should lose their vote. Drug addicts should not vote. People who have sex outside marriage should not vote.
There should be no problem finding jobs for people who want to work. End importation. End welfare. Build factories to make the shit we import. We don’t need to invent fake jobs.
Military is not productive work. It runs on theft.
The arena shit is gay. We dont need more jewish entertainment. That is just rent seeking behavior. Not to mention disgusting. We dont need extra brutality in our society. If we did we’d just keep the niggers. The Romans made a ton of mistakes. Don’t copy the romans. They were not based. They destroyed themselves through degeneracy, exploitation and civic nationalism.
We need to incarcerate more people and for longer sentences. Long sentences = loss of reproductive opportunity = eugenics. Make all competant prisoners work to support the prison system, i.e. themselves. Prisons should never be for-profit endeavors. More productive prisoners should be rewarded with better conditions. Antisocial individuals can’t be fixed. They are bad workers and bad citizens. Theres no point in hoping they will reform after a 5 year stint because they learned their lesson. Thats magical thinking. Keep them off the street and you can reduce your police force. Which is good. Its in the interest of cops to keep letting these assholes go free— its more work and more shekels for the cops, who then taunt you: “ you need us!” We need to remove antisocial psychos from society, one way or another.
Make it illegal to profit from any addictive substances. Make it illegal to profit from money lending or insurance. Make government work, lawyering, teaching and a bunch of other bureacratic jobs “maximum wage” jobs, limiting their earnings to ,say, the 25th percentile of all earners. Jobs with “parasite potential” should be actively disincentivized.
Cap maximum wealth accumulation. Cap the size of corporaions. End usury. End insurance. End law suits for financial awards. Remove the financial incentives from civil suits. Make all punitive findings benefit the entire society.
End the childcare industry. Parents and families need to start raising their own kids.
Immigrants should not be allowed to vote or receive any welfare for the first five or ten years. The length of welfare should be capped for able bodied people. Two or three years should usually be enough for someone to learn a new skill and get back to work. Or heal from what ever injury that prevented them from working. Welfare recipients should not be allowed to vote.
Your idea with the arena has a problem in my opinion. It will leave only the strong dumb and aggressive.
[ - ] SithEmpire [op] 1 point 7 monthsNov 17, 2024 13:10:52 ago (+1/-0)
The arena veteran problem occurred to me; I think an answer lies in having obscure weapons available which aren't practical generally but are a league better than trying to go unarmed in there. Failing that, different weapons are also a way to adjust lethality for repeat entrants.
Bonus preference if they require finesse and can harm a user who mishandles them, really advantaging the disciplined over the aggressive.
It seems a lot easier to just quietly round them up at a rate close to the livestock feeding schedule. You'd of course need to have a panopticon in place so you can "watch" everybody. You'd even have to go so far as have everyone carry around a tracking device with video and audio recording that can be utilized externally at any time.
[ - ] Merlynn 1 point 7 monthsNov 17, 2024 22:44:23 ago (+1/-0)
I'm fine with welfare for the disabled and the elderly. But I have an idea to fix both commies and the lazy.
See,nothing motivates you to capitalism like communism. So,we set up "communes". Think "low income housing" but you don't get money,you get supplies. And you will work for those supplies. And when I say supplies,I don't mean food. I mean seeds. I mean you have to farm your own food. I mean you have to grow cotton to make clothes. You won't be allowed to own anything either. You have the clothes on your back and that's it. The room you occupy,the bed you sleep in,all owned by the state and you can't change them.
"Entertainment" will be workshops. You can learn any trade you like. Wood working,metal working,construction,knitting,whatever. If it makes something,you can learn it. If it builds and maintains,you can learn it. And these classes are open to the public,not just the people at the commune.
So what motivates them to leave? Simple. Human nature. There's always going to be at least one gold bricking asshole in every commune. And that's going to get people mad. And then they'll start yelling. And then the fighting. And that sets in the need to get away from these fucking people and own your own shit.
That an envy. You're sitting in your grey jumpsuit in a room you don't own with nothing in it and you look out the window and see the people with cars and pets and kids and houses. It'll motivate you.
Now,if you want a job that pays,you can do that but you have to pay rent while you're there. It'll be a reasonable amount but you also have to pay for food. You still aren't allowed personal possessions,tho. You want to own shit,you need to get your own place.
[ + ] RMGoetbbels
[ - ] RMGoetbbels 4 points 7 monthsNov 17, 2024 09:42:02 ago (+4/-0)
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 4 points 7 monthsNov 17, 2024 13:47:10 ago (+4/-0)
Don’t forget that social security is welfare. We cannot afford to subsidize elderly millionaire welfare queens while workers cant afford to marry and reproduce. Do we remove the vote from SS recipients? Do we end all SS/medicare benefits?
I believe that, at least for men, the vote must be tied to a minimum number of years devoted to gainful employment in a job producing tangible wealth. Maybe 7 years or so. A good example of such work would be a builder or a farmer or a doctor or a computer programmer or a factory worker. Exceptions would be a plastic surgeon or programmer who designs video games or a factory worker that makes beer or a farmer that grows weed.
Not included in the productive jobs category would be any government worker, a land lord, a merchant, a usurer or investor, a lawyer, a social worker, an academic/teacher, a cop or a soldier. None of the people in these professions should vote unless they have already performed the work requirement in a productive job. Bureacracy makes nothing. Reallocation of wealth from productive jobs to bull shit jobs with subjectively valued work products is an even bigger problem that simple welfare.
Not enough people understand that Whites are living off welfare too— its just disguised to look like productivity. No votes for people who’s work products are fake and gay!
I realize there are some jobs that are gray areas in terms of true wealth production. We can hammer out the details on work categories. It wont be perfect. Maybe some jobs will require a longer requirement before voting rights are granted.
Women dont contribute as much through productivity but they do contribute through childbirth and child rearing. Women who have children in marriage should vote. Reproductivity is productivity. Otherwise women should be subject to a work requirement and not in a bullshit job.
Obviously we do not want low IQ people to be incentivized for reproduction. Nor do we want morally degenerate people to be incentivized to reproduce or allowed to vote. People who divorce should lose their vote. Drug addicts should not vote. People who have sex outside marriage should not vote.
There should be no problem finding jobs for people who want to work. End importation. End welfare. Build factories to make the shit we import. We don’t need to invent fake jobs.
Military is not productive work. It runs on theft.
The arena shit is gay. We dont need more jewish entertainment. That is just rent seeking behavior. Not to mention disgusting. We dont need extra brutality in our society. If we did we’d just keep the niggers. The Romans made a ton of mistakes. Don’t copy the romans. They were not based. They destroyed themselves through degeneracy, exploitation and civic nationalism.
We need to incarcerate more people and for longer sentences. Long sentences = loss of reproductive opportunity = eugenics. Make all competant prisoners work to support the prison system, i.e. themselves. Prisons should never be for-profit endeavors. More productive prisoners should be rewarded with better conditions. Antisocial individuals can’t be fixed. They are bad workers and bad citizens. Theres no point in hoping they will reform after a 5 year stint because they learned their lesson. Thats magical thinking. Keep them off the street and you can reduce your police force. Which is good. Its in the interest of cops to keep letting these assholes go free— its more work and more shekels for the cops, who then taunt you: “ you need us!” We need to remove antisocial psychos from society, one way or another.
Make it illegal to profit from any addictive substances. Make it illegal to profit from money lending or insurance. Make government work, lawyering, teaching and a bunch of other bureacratic jobs “maximum wage” jobs, limiting their earnings to ,say, the 25th percentile of all earners. Jobs with “parasite potential” should be actively disincentivized.
Cap maximum wealth accumulation. Cap the size of corporaions. End usury. End insurance. End law suits for financial awards. Remove the financial incentives from civil suits. Make all punitive findings benefit the entire society.
End the childcare industry. Parents and families need to start raising their own kids.
Ive got a million gems like these guys.
[ + ] germ22
[ - ] germ22 3 points 7 monthsNov 17, 2024 11:16:47 ago (+3/-0)
The length of welfare should be capped for able bodied people. Two or three years should usually be enough for someone to learn a new skill and get back to work. Or heal from what ever injury that prevented them from working.
Welfare recipients should not be allowed to vote.
Your idea with the arena has a problem in my opinion. It will leave only the strong dumb and aggressive.
[ + ] SithEmpire
[ - ] SithEmpire [op] 1 point 7 monthsNov 17, 2024 13:10:52 ago (+1/-0)
Bonus preference if they require finesse and can harm a user who mishandles them, really advantaging the disciplined over the aggressive.
[ + ] Dingo
[ - ] Dingo 2 points 7 monthsNov 17, 2024 10:00:31 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] JudyStroyer
[ - ] JudyStroyer 2 points 7 monthsNov 17, 2024 14:24:30 ago (+2/-0)
We must build this.
[ + ] xmasskull
[ - ] xmasskull 0 points 7 monthsNov 17, 2024 18:26:56 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Love240
[ - ] Love240 2 points 7 monthsNov 17, 2024 17:09:32 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] CoronaHoax
[ - ] CoronaHoax 2 points 7 monthsNov 17, 2024 17:39:31 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] Merlynn
[ - ] Merlynn 1 point 7 monthsNov 17, 2024 22:44:23 ago (+1/-0)
See,nothing motivates you to capitalism like communism. So,we set up "communes". Think "low income housing" but you don't get money,you get supplies. And you will work for those supplies. And when I say supplies,I don't mean food. I mean seeds. I mean you have to farm your own food. I mean you have to grow cotton to make clothes. You won't be allowed to own anything either. You have the clothes on your back and that's it. The room you occupy,the bed you sleep in,all owned by the state and you can't change them.
"Entertainment" will be workshops. You can learn any trade you like. Wood working,metal working,construction,knitting,whatever. If it makes something,you can learn it. If it builds and maintains,you can learn it. And these classes are open to the public,not just the people at the commune.
So what motivates them to leave? Simple. Human nature. There's always going to be at least one gold bricking asshole in every commune. And that's going to get people mad. And then they'll start yelling. And then the fighting. And that sets in the need to get away from these fucking people and own your own shit.
That an envy. You're sitting in your grey jumpsuit in a room you don't own with nothing in it and you look out the window and see the people with cars and pets and kids and houses. It'll motivate you.
Now,if you want a job that pays,you can do that but you have to pay rent while you're there. It'll be a reasonable amount but you also have to pay for food. You still aren't allowed personal possessions,tho. You want to own shit,you need to get your own place.
I think it'd work.