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[ - ] autotic 2 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2024 09:02:43 ago (+2/-0)

I came out here out of curiosity because after reading the post title I was like "And?" Now that I read the comments, I understand.

I've been dailying a Linux variant for ... I guess nearly 30 years now. Most of the comments here are BS. If your hardware has full driver support at OS install, which it seems it must, you will be pretty good going forward. The main thing these days is that the video card/GPU is well-supported. Sometimes you'll run into driver support issues for WiFi cards related to how it reacts to power management events. If you are good now, you'll likely be good going forward.

If you game then Steam w/ Proton will do fine for most everything.

Like customizing vehicles, if you dick around with the OS you make it more likely something will break. If you don't dick around with the OS you will likely not have a lot of problems. As with every other OS, major version upgrades are usually where the most problems pop-up. Do a backup of /home before you upgrade.

[ - ] iSnark [op] 0 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2024 09:29:46 ago (+0/-0)

I understand your double-take at the title I chose for this post, for anyone that's used Linux for a non-trivial amount of time, it's generally understood, especially with the recent iterations of Linux distributions, that installs and setup are faster than Windows install & setups. And tech-savvy veterans know that installs used to require a lot more user participation, particularly in setting up the hard drive. I personally haven't had issues with hardware, every instance of Linux I've installed seamlessly recognizes my older AMD video brick (lol). In spite of the ease they've engineered into Linux, I still find myself having to troubleshoot, or in some cases just reloading the OS after a system upgrade fail. I still don't consider myself to be a Linux Pro, but, I am pretty self-sufficient. I have come a long way since I stumbled through my first solo Linux install.

[ - ] ArcturianDeathTrap 2 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2024 02:52:04 ago (+2/-0)

Nice! high five

[ - ] iSnark [op] 2 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2024 02:29:46 ago (+2/-0)

Adding a link with details for post install configuration, I use the Cinnamon Desktop, you may use a different desktop. Use this tutorial for initial configuration, and install your favorite desktop later, if you choose to do so...


https://orcacore.com/install-cinnamon-desktop-almalinux-9/

[ - ] hylo 1 point 5 monthsNov 27, 2024 09:33:50 ago (+1/-0)

Using Linux reminds me of Windows 98.

[ - ] iSnark [op] 1 point 5 monthsNov 27, 2024 09:44:53 ago (+1/-0)

Linux can closely approximate W98, But, unlike windoze, Linux is very configurable, you essentially have a Swiss Army knife that you can configure to your taste & needs.

[ - ] DieselForever 0 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2024 15:56:16 ago (+0/-0)

What Linux are you using 😂 only the lightweight desktop environments still look like that and they are designed to run on computers 20+ years old.

[ - ] hylo 0 points 5 monthsNov 28, 2024 10:29:36 ago (+0/-0)

Oh it's not the looks. It's the experience of having to reinstall it periodically because shit just stops working.

[ - ] DieselForever 0 points 5 monthsNov 28, 2024 17:04:56 ago (+0/-0)

Can't say I get that, I never re-install, even when I change hardware normally I just copy the image over to the new disk and off it goes because am too lazy to reinstall everything. Major skill issue or crappy distribution

Seriously though if anyone has Linux and has this problem its going to be PPAs if Debian based, using Pip, Gem or Npm to install things globally or trying to use another package manager like Brew (Linux isn't Mac)

[ - ] DoughGoy 1 point 5 monthsNov 27, 2024 03:33:39 ago (+1/-0)

I know almost nothing about Linux. What is the downside of using it?
Will I still be able to run all the same programs and games that I currently use on Windows?

[ - ] iSnark [op] 5 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2024 03:43:33 ago (+5/-0)

In all honesty, Being a newcomer to linux, I would say, not to install this on your current primary PC. Instead try to find a used pc/laptop and start with Linux Mint. It's where I started. With a cheapish (but not ancient) secondary computer, you can use your main Windoze PC to guide you through the install. Because you're new, I don't want you to Gank-up your main PC, and be stuck...

[ - ] i_scream_trucks 2 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2024 06:28:28 ago (+2/-0)

yeah youd want to keep your expensive PC on windows and convert the cheap one to linux, regardless of fanboy status nix does give new life to some shitty old hardware but makes having anything mildly modern completely pointless unless youre running scientific simulations or data mining.

[ - ] DitchPig 0 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2024 09:06:12 ago (+0/-0)

LLM's bro.

[ - ] puremadness 1 point 5 monthsNov 27, 2024 03:39:53 ago (+1/-0)

Will I still be able to run all the same programs and games that I currently use on Windows?

No. Maybe. Probably not.

[ - ] i_scream_trucks 3 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2024 06:25:49 ago (+4/-1)

no, absolutely not, with a hell of a lot of fucking around for MOST of that software, and other bits of it, usually what youve paid the MOST for, wont work at all.

if youre set up for work for windows, you arent converting over to linux. period. you might change jobs to somewhere that already has that infrastructure, but youre not switching in the same place. ridiculously fucking high cost and a guarantee youre going to need an on site IT team to deal with the constant fuckups.

[ - ] iSnark [op] 0 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2024 08:32:13 ago (+0/-0)

Yep, I'll second that! I've worked in Finance where I managed and worked on Unix /Linux/AS/400 back-end trading systems, Finance uses a lot of Unix & Linux. I've also worked in Global banks, and I was given the choice when I was hired, of a Windows or Linux based system. Being in IT/Finance, I had my Boss get me a Widows desktop and a Linux laptop, so I had both! I will say there were a small number of those that opted for the Linux OS. They had similar FiTech backgrounds like I did...

[ - ] i_scream_trucks 1 point 5 monthsNov 27, 2024 06:19:36 ago (+3/-2)*

"What is the downside of using it"

"THE" implies only one.

Lets start with needing to swallow a 300 page manual to use basic functions
Then go to not being compatible with literally anything that is in any common usage (buhbuhbuh muh open offices is cumpatibul!) - yeah it might be 'compatible' but it rapes the eyes and when you open the 'compatible' document in a 'compatible' software suite, its a solid fucking block of text that has completely ignored ALL of the formatting options you used, including font, size, and text colour (let alone fucking indentation etc) AKA less functional than a notepad and pencil.
Having to completely recompile your system from scratch.... just to change the screen resolution, or make sound work.
Deciding you want to install a piece of software, taking 10 minutes before you realised the install broke, another 10 minutes to find out WHY it broke, then another hour finding the missing dependant software packages..... then having to go through exactly the same fucking shit because the dependancies have dependancies which you also need to install.... oh and then it being broken because some faggot who is a 'pro linux guy' in his spare time hasnt updated something for a decade thats critical for a dependancy of a dependancy of a dependancy of a dependancy.... please email him at [email protected] (no shit that was the hands down funniest fucking email contact for a linux package ever, get back to your job faggot, pretty sure the government wouldnt be happy with your use of their resources, im not and im just a taxpayer).

"buh buh muh security.... muh viruses!" no more or less secure than anything else, no more or less viruses and bugs, just that fucking microscopic a market share that no one gives a shit - and there aint nothing you can infect a windows pc with that isnt stopped by... not being a fucking moron, that you automatically dont get on linux.

tl;dr zero benefit other than some kind of misguided flex.

Wanna do useful stuff? By a windows PC. Wanna be able to play games without fucking about? By a console. Want to do BOTH of those on the same machine? Dont fucking install linux.

[ - ] iSnark [op] 1 point 5 monthsNov 27, 2024 08:38:52 ago (+1/-0)

I will say that I've experienced the fragility of Linux quite a bit. I got to the point that I would get my system setup with all the bells & whistles I needed and I'd make an image of it and burned it to DVD, and reinstall from the DVD. So I didn't lose all that configuration time, I also saved my important documents on a external HD, add/or burnt them to a re-writable dvd...

[ - ] rectangle 0 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2024 11:22:27 ago (+0/-0)

Lets start with needing to swallow a 300 page manual to use basic functions

If you intend on using the terminal exclusively... yes. Otherwise, this is an exaggeration. There is no doubt that you will have to do some reading. Just ask a search engine or AI questions..

Then go to not being compatible with literally anything that is in any common usage

Word Documents and Excel have always worked for me. Something like OneNote doesn't have a compatible Linux alternative. Kind of depends on the program, sometimes there is a compatible alternative, otherwise, there is always an alternative that may work slightly differently.

Having to completely recompile your system from scratch.... just to change the screen resolution, or make sound work.

Guess that I'm lucky, I have never had to do this. Fixing the resolution sometimes requires drivers that aren't installed. Sound is something that has always worked for me on first boot..

Deciding you want to install a piece of software, taking 10 minutes before you realised the install broke

This is the biggest difference I noticed when switching to linux. Sometimes the case is how you describe it. It is preferable to run an install command instead of trying to graphically click a .deb or .rpm file to install it. That way you can see the output of the install process which displays any errors. The dependency errors are no different than installing software on windows only to realize you have to add some .net framework package in order for the install to complete.

The dependency of a dependency problem you describe sounds like a nightmare. Joe Blogs probably doesn't work for them anymore? Luckily I have not experienced this on any commonly used packages. Usually you will see someone jump in and fix the package themselves or provide a compatible package to replace the broken one.

and there aint nothing you can infect a windows pc with that isnt stopped by... not being a fucking moron, that you automatically dont get on linux.

More windows users = more windows viruses. Currently, you don't automatically get the same viruses because they are written for windows. But they could be ported to Linux..

Wanna do useful stuff? By a windows PC. Wanna be able to play games without fucking about? By a console. Want to do BOTH of those on the same machine? Dont fucking install linux.

Linux is far superior for useful stuff. Auto-updates, auto-restarts, blue-screen crashes...etc are sure to kill any creative juices that may be flowing. Games have come a long way. I don't play a ton of games, but the ones I do play have become much easier to install. It used to be very challenging to get a game installed and running, but now it is nearly point and click for most games.

[ - ] albatrosv15 -1 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2024 06:50:37 ago (+1/-2)

There is someone really butthurt about linux.
t. "I use arch btw" for over 10 years.
But... You are right that normal people shouldn't use linux.

[ - ] Empire_of_the_Mind 0 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2024 08:20:03 ago (+1/-1)

the only downside of linux, which is REAL, is that things will just break occasionally and you'll have to do some reading to figure out how to fix it. There are linux options where this won't happen but you have to get the right one for your hardware if that is your goal. Ultimately Linux is for people who know and/or are willing to learn a little bit about how their computer works. It also has a large contingent of glorified audiophiles who enjoy fucking with obscure driver settings more than they actually do anything on their computer. It is best to ignore them.

[ - ] DieselForever 0 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2024 15:58:25 ago (+0/-0)

If you play fortnight or 1 or 2 other games that the developers hard banned Linux for then no. Personally I've not come across a game I couldn't play for years now.

[ - ] albatrosv15 -1 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2024 06:54:34 ago (+0/-1)

If you are over 20sh years old and never used linux, then don't even think about it. Your lifestyle doesn't involve curiosity and learning.

[ - ] rectangle 1 point 5 monthsNov 27, 2024 11:25:49 ago (+1/-0)

That is exactly when I started using linux..

[ - ] DieselForever 0 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2024 16:02:26 ago (+0/-0)

Like a bathtub curve. Porn and Facebook Linux is awesome. Curious about OSs or are a developer or any other kind of non retard whose tired of windows being shit Linux again is awesome.

Anything in between use windows.

[ - ] RMGoetbbels 1 point 5 monthsNov 27, 2024 02:53:13 ago (+1/-0)

What are the benefits over any other linux distro? Like does it have a tootsie roll inside or bubble gum? mmmm, blow pops.

[ - ] iSnark [op] 2 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2024 02:57:46 ago (+2/-0)

I will say this this distribution feels pretty solid, now, it's still new to me, For me, personally, it looks like a keeper. Go to your favorite check out some videos on it...

[ - ] Empire_of_the_Mind 1 point 5 monthsNov 27, 2024 08:22:48 ago (+1/-0)

the "best" linux distro will primarily come down to the hardware you are using. Unlike MacOS - where the hardware is always the same or Windows where all hardware has official support, Linux has more varied hardware support. Hardware that is bundled with linux will be extremely well supported and stable if that is your main interest.

Using Windows is retarded and Mac OS is gayer with each release. Linux is the patrician choice. Keep in mind also that pretty much anyone running a Linux desktop has at least one other computer, which is helpful. I have a Macbook in addition to a linux desktop for example.

[ - ] Trope 1 point 5 monthsNov 27, 2024 02:47:09 ago (+1/-0)

What’s the UI look like? UI is probably the deal breaker for me.

[ - ] iSnark [op] 2 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2024 02:55:33 ago (+2/-0)

The UI is configurable, I don't know what your Linux experience is, ALMA Linux 9.5 comes with Gnome desktop, dark mode by default... Depending on your experience, it's it's quite configurable.

Word of caution, the binary is too big to burn to a DVD, You'll have to use VENTOY or similar.

[ - ] DukeofRaul 0 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2024 03:00:36 ago (+0/-0)

Take it easy isnark we get it

[ - ] iSnark [op] 0 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2024 03:06:02 ago (+0/-0)

I replied to Trope's question...

[ - ] Trope 0 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2024 19:24:31 ago (+0/-0)

At this point in the game, I’m willing to pay for something that just works out of the box. So if the native UI is clean and it has Firefox preinstalled with working drivers, then it’s solid in my opinion.

Spent high school building computers with old parts. These days, just give me a Macintosh and be done with it.

[ - ] iSnark [op] 0 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2024 19:33:14 ago (+0/-0)

Ok, so you are technical, then, That's Good! Debian and Fedora are good too in my opinion...

Best of Luck, let me know how it goes...

[ - ] i_scream_trucks 0 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2024 06:24:11 ago (+0/-0)

like a windows XP beta usually. unless things have drastically improved.

[ - ] albatrosv15 0 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2024 06:57:15 ago (+0/-0)

Yeah but that's all you gonna do, browse this site. You are not going to use ffmpeg on terminal to convert video and audio.

[ - ] iSnark [op] 0 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2024 08:20:53 ago (+0/-0)

There are a number of projects that I've had on my To-Do list. If this works well, I'll certainly use it as my daily driver. I'll also use it for some Virtualization, and I may stand up another Video Server (Kodi, Jellyfin, or OSMC) I've been wanting to stick some Video security cameras around my property, Build my own Proxy servers, most my own mail server.

So yeah, I've got some plans for this OS...

[ - ] autotic 0 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2024 09:05:52 ago (+0/-0)

From the sound of your projects, you'd probably do well to lay down an install of XCP-ng or Proxmox rather than Alma. Both of the former are solid ways to do virtualization lab.

[ - ] i_scream_trucks 0 points 5 monthsNov 27, 2024 06:13:29 ago (+0/-0)

and less than half a second for people who dont care, to not care.