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Simulation theory, is it real or complete bullshit?

submitted by GodsNotDead to AskUpgoat 5 monthsDec 7, 2024 15:43:36 ago (+3/-1)     (AskUpgoat)



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[ - ] CHIRO 2 points 5 monthsDec 7, 2024 16:08:09 ago (+2/-0)

It's a serious theory. Very serious.

The scope of the problem is what you might debate.

Is it only a problem for our theory of knowledge (that we can't seem to come up with a theory that eliminates Cartesian skepticism)? You could think of it that way.

Or, you could think that it has a scope like it purports to have, i.e., that it is likelier that you are a simulation than it is that you aren't one.

Most people have the intuition that they aren't sims, and we'd like to have a theory of knowledge that justifies that belief. But we don't have one. Bostrum has given us an argument that says (summarizing), if advanced simulations are something we're possibly going to do in the future, then it is likely we will do many of them. If at some point, the number of advanced sims is very large, it becomes likelier that you are one of these also.

[ - ] Anus_Expander 1 point 5 monthsDec 7, 2024 19:15:20 ago (+1/-0)

I am a Boltzmann Brain, but cannot prove it.

[ - ] ImplicationOverReason 0 points 5 monthsDec 7, 2024 16:24:11 ago (+0/-0)

we can't seem to come up with a theory that eliminates Cartesian skepticism

a) Doubt/dubius/duo - "two"...if one consents to suggested pluralism (we) by another one, then that puts one and one together into two aka dualism. That's the foundation for doubt. As long as ones consent is given to another ones suggestion...so long can't doubt be eliminated.

b) Sceptic/spek - "to observe; hold onto" implies ones consent holding onto suggested skeptic-ism by another.

the scope of the problem

Being implies temporary problem (life) during ongoing solution (inception towards death)...consenting to each others suggestions implies focusing aka narrowing ones scope/sight within perceivable solution to suggested problems.

Most people have the intuition that they aren't sims

People (plural) implies an aggregation of person (singular), hence shaping each different person into similar people.

In short...people imply simulation; person implies differentiation.

[ - ] deleted 2 points 5 monthsDec 7, 2024 16:30:49 ago (+2/-0)

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[ - ] s23erdctfvyg 0 points 5 monthsDec 7, 2024 21:15:47 ago (+0/-0)*

Simulations and the mind are limited, reality is not. Focus in on one specific thing and keep finding things that can happen to it, or done to it.

If you're not in reality, you'll run out of things. If you're in reality, you'll never run out of things.

It's one of the easiest checks one can perform.

Another is continuation, everything that is, has a past that can be traced. If you can't find out how something came to be, and there's no reasonable explanation as to how it got there, you're in a dream or simulation. If it can be traced for as far back as human memory and history extends, and then can be reasonably traced by logical circumstance before that, you're in reality.

[ - ] lord_nougat 1 point 5 monthsDec 7, 2024 16:03:46 ago (+1/-0)

Yes.

[ - ] Master_Foo 1 point 5 monthsDec 7, 2024 16:26:50 ago (+1/-0)

If you haven't noticed the glitches in the Matrix, then you are probably an NPC.

[ - ] puremadness 0 points 5 monthsDec 8, 2024 13:58:41 ago (+0/-0)

yea but some people think camera discrepancies are reality crumbling apart.

I really enjoy those ghost videos where it is clearly a poorly functioning night vision camera (they dont always see you right away and you kind of fade in) I have a recording of one such ghost, the funny part is... it's me and I know how it happened. I came out during high motion at night and it didn't capture me right away, then suddenly I fade in all ghostly when I reached my car trunk which is nearer to the center of the frame.

[ - ] Master_Foo 0 points 5 monthsDec 8, 2024 14:05:31 ago (+0/-0)

I'm not talking about camera shit.
I'm talking about things like the entire continent of New Zealand moving 2,000+ kilometers south.
There's a select number of people who are aware of this.

[ - ] puremadness 0 points 5 monthsDec 8, 2024 14:09:28 ago (+0/-0)

I saw that video. I can also confirm that when I was a child, I had a globe, one of the textured landscape ones in color, very old even when I had it. Anyway, at the north pole it attached to the spinner that held it and there was a plastic disc there at the joint, if you lifted it up, at the north pole, was land. 4 landmasses around the center.

Additionally, I had the Berenstein bears books. My detail here is especially strange. On one of and possibly all of my BB books, The authors names and the titles were spelled differently. I remember tracing my finger from one to the other to confirm it. I asked my dad about it, he didn't know or was uninterested.

Oh and I also watched the Genie movie with Sinbad in it.

[ - ] anrach 1 point 5 monthsDec 7, 2024 18:26:15 ago (+1/-0)*

I think for most who are enamoured with the idea, it's a stand-in for mysticism... A secular way to add some mystery and drama back into how they think about their existence (and if we're 'simulated', then perhaps death isn't final). The fact that a simulation would at some point had to have had a 'creator' also draws parallels with religious thought (the aspect of intentional creation is perhaps the only thing that would distinguish a hyper-advanced 'simulation' from a 'natural' universe).

The arguments for it are all pure conjecture at this point. It's more plausible than most religious theories (as it's not as obviously a product of human conceits), but it doesn't have evidence to put it above the level of an unnecessary abstraction or back-up theory at best.

If it were true, but has no 'tells' or identifiable feedback vectors, then it's essentially pointless aside from how it modifies the behaviour of those who believe in it—as others here have pointed out.


tl;dr — without a way to test it, simulation theory is basically fart-huffing by people who've sensationalized quantum mathematical modeling into the new mysticism (and dudeweedbros).

[ - ] PeckerwoodPerry 1 point 5 monthsDec 7, 2024 23:23:33 ago (+1/-0)

It's both. Your meat computer is absolutely running a life simulation, but not because some advanced future humans programmed it to do that. It's just it's main function. Like a tree is programmed to reach for sunlight.

[ - ] Trope 0 points 5 monthsDec 7, 2024 23:36:51 ago (+0/-0)

Well said.

I think it’s when we start to peak through the cracks of reality through investigation of things like quantum physics, we begin to recognize strange patterns that are not intuitive to us at all. They are incomparable with anything we experience in the macro world. They are beyond our senses. Yet we can sense them using math which is an abstract construct we’ve created, or did we discover it? Heh.

[ - ] ImplicationOverReason 0 points 5 monthsDec 7, 2024 15:58:16 ago (+0/-0)

a) Nature doesn't make alike (simulare)...it differentiates each one within from one another. Few within nature tempt many to react alike to fiction, while ignoring nature.

b) Theory aka thea (a view) horan (to see; to perceive). If others suggest one a view aka THEAter, then ones sight is being tempted with a distortion aka ignoring perceivable (reality) for suggested (fiction).

[ - ] CoronaHoax 0 points 5 monthsDec 7, 2024 18:24:22 ago (+0/-0)

Supposedly there was once a formally deterministic religion. Supposedly they lived absolutely terrible lives. The moral of the story is even if it’s true, you’ll live a better life if you believe it’s not.

[ - ] JudyStroyer 0 points 5 monthsDec 7, 2024 20:05:25 ago (+0/-0)

It’s made up…

[ - ] HonkyMcNiggerSpic 0 points 5 monthsDec 7, 2024 20:43:58 ago (+0/-0)

I think there's a 50% chance we are simulated

[ - ] SithEmpire 0 points 5 monthsDec 7, 2024 21:08:24 ago (+0/-0)

It's a waste of intellect to consider either way really. Even if true, it's not as if that changes anything we might do, so it's as well to continue as if reality is the case.

[ - ] AngryWhiteKeyboardWarrior 0 points 5 monthsDec 8, 2024 05:50:36 ago (+0/-0)

Bullshit, just fun science-fiction/fantasy.

[ - ] puremadness 0 points 5 monthsDec 8, 2024 13:55:42 ago (+0/-0)

It's complete bullshit because it is just the same old what if.
it brings nothing the any discussion except an understanding of how little we know.
beyond this, it is not useful.