Modern cremation chambers will require 2-3 hrs to fully incinerate a body, and that's at one body per chamber. The typical crematorium will handle 10 bodies per day, and we might assume that, if needed, they could double this rate, approximating a maximum capacity for a one-day period. To hit 3,300 hundred corpses per day would require Germany to have been operating at something like a 165 modern-facility (multi-oven) equivalent (@ 20 bodies per day), which they were not doing. That figure is given with the assumption the facilities are running at maximum capacity, 24 hrs/day, for the entire six-yr period (no downtime). That's not remotely realistic. So, the actual number of facilities required would have been even higher. Now factor in that they were not using modern technology, but rather coke-fired furnaces, and the whole thing becomes monstrously stupid. If you need icing on the cake, there were well-documented coal shortages in Europe during both wars. It's just not feasible, and to boot, there is no evidence that Germany had or was running this type of infrastructure.
[EDIT: According to the article, the average response from companies for the lifetime of a typical floor/hearth of a modern cremator is 1250-2500 cremations before a full replacement is needed. This time is shortened if the machines are run for too long. In other words, running the machines destroys the inner guts over time. Also, for reference, the Cremation Society of Minnesota says it performs 5,000 cremations per year, or 13-14 per day, and the article seems to suggest this is a high throughput operation. This gives you a better idea about the feasibility of the Nazis doing 3,300 per day while fighting wars with the major powers of the world on virtually all fronts. It's absurd. https://www.cremationassociation.org/blog/refractory-rules-five-tips-to-maximize-cremator-efficiency
As of 2022, Germany had 164 crematoria. If they ran at a similar rate as the Cremation Society of Minnesota, then today's Germany could cremate 4.9 million bodies in six years. If we accept the claim (we shouldn't) that there were six extermination camps with crematoria, each camp would have needed to cremate 817,000 bodies per year for the Nazis to have matched Germany's 2022 high-end capacity, which still doesn't reach 6 million. This means the German "extermination" camps would have needed to cremate at a capacity 16,240% higher than a modern cremation facility. And even if we assume the Nazi krema were built to the quality of modern machines, they would have required a full hearth replacement every day. Just ignore the fact that to even operate at 20 bodies/machine/day would require each camp to have had the equivalent of 112 ovens each.]
The story is that bodies were piled into the chambers one on top of the other to get more "bang for the buck". As soon as you hear that, you know it is false; it is a story being spun by somebody who has no concept of the physics. You could not incinerate bodies this way, you'd just be wasting heat. You'd wind up burying charred bodies. At some point, you wouldn't even be able to operate the furnaces. Human bodies don't want to burn. Too much water.
And that's the whole problem. The commonest story for why they were cremating the bodies is that they wanted to hide evidence. If there was no reason to burn bodies, they wouldn't. They would bury them. But, there's a problem with this because you can't find any mass graves. So, they needed a story to explain why there were no bodies.
At Old Voat, I did a rough calculation of the amount of ash you'd expect from incinerating this many bodies, and long story short, you would have forensic evidence for this in the environment today. It is something you could go and check. It would have even impacted local vegetation at the time.
Of course, there's no evidence at all that there were mass killings going on in the camps. There's evidence for an acute rise in deaths in the last months of the war because supply lines were destroyed, and people in the camps were undernourished, which for the spread of disease is like wind for a wildfire. In other words, the Allies created lethal conditions in the camps and then swooped in to photograph the outcomes like these had been the whole intent of the camps from the start. And then, when the UK/US troops went home, they let the Soviets just torture Germans for a while, and then held trials and publicized the Nazis like they were human evil.
Don't forget the red cross had full access to the camps until the last 11-15 months of the war.. Bet you have never read the stories about the red cross boxes being delivered, by NAME, to the inmates.
It's also one of the ways, how nuremburg knew who was in the camps, the red cross Kept records.
But but but didn’t you know that somehow the Nazis had access to super advanced technologies like the masturbation machines and the holocoaster???? And all that technological prowess vanished overnight????
[ - ] CHIRO 1 point 3 monthsJan 28, 2025 14:22:50 ago (+1/-0)
Honestly, you need a miracle to make these figures work out. It's staggering that this story was successfully pushed in the modern world. So much for muh rationality.
I don't think I'd heard that one. It seems like the argument against that theory would be similar; if not the same, then you're still going to want to point out that all of this activity leaves forensic evidence behind. It should not be difficult at all to make a very strong scientific case for murder on this scale.
I personally am of the opinion that lots of jews died, not even close to 6gajillion, almost none if any were 'gassed to death', most died of starvation or disease or exhaustion (transport). Those that died were cremated, and buried.
There is lots of talk of 'open pit' burning of bodies all over kikepedia but that is almost as psychotic as believing in mobile gas trucks.
Yeah years ago they did lidar on one of the mass grave sites and shockingly they discovered that the ground was undisturbed. Right after that, they made "Holocaust Memorials" at other sites that are literally rocks strewn over the area making lidar ineffective. Convenient.
It is not possible, especially with the infrastructure they had.
People do not burn, they have to be burned.
Step 1: Energy Required for Cremation The updated energy required for cremation is 3,470 MJ.
Step 2: Energy Values of Resources 1 barrel of crude oil = 6,120 MJ 1 tonne of coal (average quality) = 24,000 MJ 1 cord of dry hardwood = 7,500 MJ Step 3: Conversion Calculations Barrels of Oil Energy for cremation ÷ energy per barrel of oil: 3,470MJ 6 , 120MJ/barrel≈0.567 barrels 6,120MJ/barrel 3,470MJ ≈0.567barrels Result: 0.57 barrels of oil Tonnes of Coal Energy for cremation ÷ energy per tonne of coal:3,470MJ 24,000 MJ/tonne ≈ 0.145tonnes 24,000MJ/tonne 3,470MJ ≈0.145tonnes Result: 0.145 tonnes of coal Cords of Wood Energy for cremation ÷ energy per cord of wood: 3,470MJ 7,500MJ/cord ≈ 0.463cords 7,500MJ/cord 3,470MJ ≈0.463cords Result: 0.46 cords of wood Summary Table Resource Energy Equivalent for Cremation (3,470 MJ) Barrels of Oil 0.57 barrels Tonnes of Coal 0.145 tonnes Cords of Wood 0.46 cords Conclusion For a cremation requiring 3,470 MJ of energy, it would consume approximately:
0.57 barrels of oil, 0.145 tonnes of coal, or 0.46 cords of wood.
I remember Italy publishing some numbers. I can't recall at this moment, but modern crematory capacities were absolutely orders below the claimed holocaust numbers.
And it's not just the cremation math that doesn't add up. According to the officially published figures the number of jews worldwide increased by several hundred thousand during the period that it's claimed that 6 million were killed. And it wasn't like there were even a lot of them to begin with.
2,777 holohoaxed jews/ 24 hours= 115 holohoaxed jews every hour
- This is assuming that Germany started holohoaxing jews from day one until the very last day of the war, they didn't nor could they have.
It is impossible, to physically, logistically and financially kill people by way of extermination camps under these time and manpower constraints. Not to mention that Germany was also fighting a two front war that required any and all resources that it would require to do such a thing
It. IS. Impossible. Not even a Master Race could accomplish that task.
115 jews every hour of every day of every month for 6 years? LOL! Not by gassing them, not enough bullets and not by burying them alive.
Don't think I don't wish though..........even a half assed effort toward it would make me happy.
[ + ] CHIRO
[ - ] CHIRO 11 points 3 monthsJan 28, 2025 10:40:37 ago (+11/-0)*
Modern cremation chambers will require 2-3 hrs to fully incinerate a body, and that's at one body per chamber. The typical crematorium will handle 10 bodies per day, and we might assume that, if needed, they could double this rate, approximating a maximum capacity for a one-day period. To hit 3,300 hundred corpses per day would require Germany to have been operating at something like a 165 modern-facility (multi-oven) equivalent (@ 20 bodies per day), which they were not doing. That figure is given with the assumption the facilities are running at maximum capacity, 24 hrs/day, for the entire six-yr period (no downtime). That's not remotely realistic. So, the actual number of facilities required would have been even higher. Now factor in that they were not using modern technology, but rather coke-fired furnaces, and the whole thing becomes monstrously stupid. If you need icing on the cake, there were well-documented coal shortages in Europe during both wars. It's just not feasible, and to boot, there is no evidence that Germany had or was running this type of infrastructure.
[EDIT: According to the article, the average response from companies for the lifetime of a typical floor/hearth of a modern cremator is 1250-2500 cremations before a full replacement is needed. This time is shortened if the machines are run for too long. In other words, running the machines destroys the inner guts over time. Also, for reference, the Cremation Society of Minnesota says it performs 5,000 cremations per year, or 13-14 per day, and the article seems to suggest this is a high throughput operation. This gives you a better idea about the feasibility of the Nazis doing 3,300 per day while fighting wars with the major powers of the world on virtually all fronts. It's absurd.
https://www.cremationassociation.org/blog/refractory-rules-five-tips-to-maximize-cremator-efficiency
As of 2022, Germany had 164 crematoria. If they ran at a similar rate as the Cremation Society of Minnesota, then today's Germany could cremate 4.9 million bodies in six years. If we accept the claim (we shouldn't) that there were six extermination camps with crematoria, each camp would have needed to cremate 817,000 bodies per year for the Nazis to have matched Germany's 2022 high-end capacity, which still doesn't reach 6 million. This means the German "extermination" camps would have needed to cremate at a capacity 16,240% higher than a modern cremation facility. And even if we assume the Nazi krema were built to the quality of modern machines, they would have required a full hearth replacement every day. Just ignore the fact that to even operate at 20 bodies/machine/day would require each camp to have had the equivalent of 112 ovens each.]
The story is that bodies were piled into the chambers one on top of the other to get more "bang for the buck". As soon as you hear that, you know it is false; it is a story being spun by somebody who has no concept of the physics. You could not incinerate bodies this way, you'd just be wasting heat. You'd wind up burying charred bodies. At some point, you wouldn't even be able to operate the furnaces. Human bodies don't want to burn. Too much water.
And that's the whole problem. The commonest story for why they were cremating the bodies is that they wanted to hide evidence. If there was no reason to burn bodies, they wouldn't. They would bury them. But, there's a problem with this because you can't find any mass graves. So, they needed a story to explain why there were no bodies.
At Old Voat, I did a rough calculation of the amount of ash you'd expect from incinerating this many bodies, and long story short, you would have forensic evidence for this in the environment today. It is something you could go and check. It would have even impacted local vegetation at the time.
Of course, there's no evidence at all that there were mass killings going on in the camps. There's evidence for an acute rise in deaths in the last months of the war because supply lines were destroyed, and people in the camps were undernourished, which for the spread of disease is like wind for a wildfire. In other words, the Allies created lethal conditions in the camps and then swooped in to photograph the outcomes like these had been the whole intent of the camps from the start. And then, when the UK/US troops went home, they let the Soviets just torture Germans for a while, and then held trials and publicized the Nazis like they were human evil.
[ + ] glooper
[ - ] glooper 4 points 3 monthsJan 28, 2025 12:29:14 ago (+4/-0)
It's also one of the ways, how nuremburg knew who was in the camps, the red cross Kept records.
[ + ] JewTooFew
[ - ] JewTooFew 2 points 3 monthsJan 28, 2025 14:17:10 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] CHIRO
[ - ] CHIRO 1 point 3 monthsJan 28, 2025 14:22:50 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] PORTforceOne
[ - ] PORTforceOne 2 points 3 monthsJan 28, 2025 14:56:45 ago (+2/-0)
But isn't their argument that mass graves were found and the rest were burned? Some even exhumed and burned (lmao)
[ + ] CHIRO
[ - ] CHIRO 2 points 3 monthsJan 28, 2025 15:18:52 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] PORTforceOne
[ - ] PORTforceOne 1 point 3 monthsJan 29, 2025 01:21:27 ago (+1/-0)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonderkommando_photographs
This last link is from a forum I used to go to, I find it extremely interesting personally as there is significant back and forth on this topic.
https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=3970
I personally am of the opinion that lots of jews died, not even close to 6gajillion, almost none if any were 'gassed to death', most died of starvation or disease or exhaustion (transport). Those that died were cremated, and buried.
There is lots of talk of 'open pit' burning of bodies all over kikepedia but that is almost as psychotic as believing in mobile gas trucks.
[ + ] NeverHappened
[ - ] NeverHappened 1 point 3 monthsJan 28, 2025 15:27:21 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] RafalGanowicz
[ - ] RafalGanowicz 3 points 3 monthsJan 28, 2025 10:40:58 ago (+3/-0)
People do not burn, they have to be burned.
Step 1: Energy Required for Cremation
The updated energy required for cremation is 3,470 MJ.
Step 2: Energy Values of Resources
1 barrel of crude oil = 6,120 MJ
1 tonne of coal (average quality) = 24,000 MJ
1 cord of dry hardwood = 7,500 MJ
Step 3: Conversion Calculations
Barrels of Oil
Energy for cremation ÷ energy per barrel of oil:
3,470MJ
6
,
120MJ/barrel≈0.567 barrels
6,120MJ/barrel
3,470MJ
≈0.567barrels
Result: 0.57 barrels of oil
Tonnes of Coal
Energy for cremation ÷ energy per tonne of coal:3,470MJ
24,000 MJ/tonne
≈
0.145tonnes
24,000MJ/tonne
3,470MJ
≈0.145tonnes
Result: 0.145 tonnes of coal
Cords of Wood
Energy for cremation ÷ energy per cord of wood:
3,470MJ
7,500MJ/cord
≈
0.463cords
7,500MJ/cord
3,470MJ
≈0.463cords
Result: 0.46 cords of wood
Summary Table
Resource Energy Equivalent for Cremation (3,470 MJ)
Barrels of Oil 0.57 barrels
Tonnes of Coal 0.145 tonnes
Cords of Wood 0.46 cords
Conclusion
For a cremation requiring 3,470 MJ of energy, it would consume approximately:
0.57 barrels of oil,
0.145 tonnes of coal, or
0.46 cords of wood.
[ + ] glooper
[ - ] glooper 2 points 3 monthsJan 28, 2025 12:19:28 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] RafalGanowicz
[ - ] RafalGanowicz 1 point 3 monthsJan 28, 2025 12:41:57 ago (+1/-0)
As I recall it takes about 3 cords to fully cremate an average size human.
Still, it's an incredible amount of energy, given the infrastructure at the time was largely whale oil/coal/heavy fuel oil based.
[ + ] glooper
[ - ] glooper 2 points 3 monthsJan 28, 2025 13:29:36 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] Reader
[ - ] Reader 2 points 3 monthsJan 28, 2025 10:19:10 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] pickingrinninspittin
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[ + ] Sector2
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[ + ] 2plus2equals5
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[ + ] RMGoetbbels
[ - ] RMGoetbbels 0 points 3 monthsJan 28, 2025 20:52:43 ago (+0/-0)
6 million you say? Okay.
World War 2- Date: September 3, 1939 - September 2, 1945
6 years= 72 months
72 months/ 6,000,000-= 83,333 jews holohoaxed per month
83,333 holohoaxed jews/ 30 days= 2,777 holohoaxed jews
2,777 holohoaxed jews/ 24 hours= 115 holohoaxed jews every hour
- This is assuming that Germany started holohoaxing jews from day one until the very last day of the war, they didn't nor could they have.
It is impossible, to physically, logistically and financially kill people by way of extermination camps under these time and manpower constraints. Not to mention that Germany was also fighting a two front war that required any and all resources that it would require to do such a thing
It. IS. Impossible. Not even a Master Race could accomplish that task.
115 jews every hour of every day of every month for 6 years? LOL! Not by gassing them, not enough bullets and not by burying them alive.
Don't think I don't wish though..........even a half assed effort toward it would make me happy.
[ + ] xmasskull
[ - ] xmasskull 0 points 3 monthsJan 29, 2025 00:04:39 ago (+0/-0)