I mean if selling your soul to Satan was a real thing and not a metaphor how stupid would you have to be to actually go through with it. It’s just so logically stupid: yea lemme trade like 30-60 years for infinity. But then, if somebody’s willing to make that deal. They’re stupid right? Well god made them stupid. Iq is genetic. So who’s fault is it really?
Used to be pretty funny too but it’s lost its way in recent years. Mainly fairly safe lefty shite and over the top jokes now. They used to be subtle enough that pretty reputable international publications picked up their stories and believed them (Bild in Germany reported a stampede in Lidl in Ireland when a second checkout was opened for example). The below article was great though!
Plenty of research out there showing this kinda stuff is real or can be real. Atheists are usually just ignorant of it. Which is ironic as they think they're the educated ones.
No because I believe he is speaking metaphorically. If he said he was having conversations with jesus and satan I would question his sanity. I don’t even think Bergolio is a theist.
You can say a lot of negative things about Bergoglio - but to claim he isn't a theist is just bizarre. He's a Jesuit. They are inevitably more progressive. But for Catholics. They aren't like liberal Protestants that if you get them in private will admit they deny the virgin birth, etc.
I know Jorge is a jesuit. To think there aren’t atheist clergymen putting up a theist front to acheive their political or financial ambitions is just very naive.
They aren't like liberal Protestants that if you get them in private will admit they deny the virgin birth, etc.
Theyre even more so. Especially the clergy. Theres always been an intellectual movement within catholicism which is why they were such an easy sell on evolution. Im not saying the average italian grandmother rejects virgin birth. But I bet a lot of jesuit priests do. Ex catholic here. Went to catholic school.
Eh. The United Church of Christ, say, does not even affirm the virgin birth in its statement of faith. This is a recognition of the variation of belief in its churches. The Catholic Church though? Maybe you met some heretical laity in parochial school so you think a guy rose all the way to Pope without getting suspected of not so much as being a theist? Sounds more like a byproduct of your current atheism than former Catholicism if you ask me.
Maybe you met some heretical laity in parochial school so you think a guy rose all the way to Pope
You don’t get it. The laity are not the skeptics in the catholic church. The clergy are. Jesuits moreso than any other order. Youve already made up your mind not to believe anything I say on the subject, so whats the point?
I just find it extremely unlikely a guy becomes the leader of the Catholic Church if he is a crypto-non-theist. Your other point that he was speaking in metaphor seems to me far more reasonable or debatable. I'd just ask that you check your premises a bit.
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Plenty of research out there showing this kinda stuff is real or can be real. Atheists are usually just ignorant of it. Which is ironic as they think they're the educated ones.
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Theyre even more so. Especially the clergy. Theres always been an intellectual movement within catholicism which is why they were such an easy sell on evolution. Im not saying the average italian grandmother rejects virgin birth. But I bet a lot of jesuit priests do. Ex catholic here. Went to catholic school.
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You don’t get it. The laity are not the skeptics in the catholic church. The clergy are. Jesuits moreso than any other order. Youve already made up your mind not to believe anything I say on the subject, so whats the point?
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