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Is the idea that niggers or some other group Helena dislikes don't have a fuck n' suck society a no true Scotsman fallacy?

submitted by Joe_McCarthy to OccidentalEnclave 3 monthsMar 13, 2025 20:45:02 ago (+2/-5)     (OccidentalEnclave)

https://www.upgoat.net/viewpost?postid=67d2a47972017#comment_67d3090da990c

This isn't difficult to rebut and maybe it isn't even serious enough to rebut - but what the hell.

The fuck n' suck, in its early form, is a revolutionary anarcho-primitivist society in the Rockies wilderness. It's an opt-in model by contract where we self-govern and have a minimalist ethic of few rules.

This creates white living space as the borders are group membership. Later, the plan intends its spread to more populated settled communities as people defy ordinances against public nudity and public sex and forsake their overworked, stressful, moneycentric lifestyle for fucking in the streets.

Helena is like some kind of anti-sex militant from Orwell's 1984 and oddly sees my system as existing with niggers already. It's not like we've had some Communist regime failing and then some Marxist saying it wasn't really Marxist. That WOULD be a no true Scotsman fallacy. My idea has literally never been tried though. The closest thing to it in contemporary terms would be primitive tribes, even pre-contact, or the ancients, even pre-civilization.

So while you're welcome to argue why the fuck n' suck won't work for some other reason this ain't it. Worse, Helena is dogmatic in argument. Which means she lacks seriousness. She has called the fuck n' suck 'crazy' - yet this is the kind of weak sauce we get?

Truth is, she expounds on what she knows not. She doesn't know much about this project. Instead of asking me questions she spouts off.

https://www.upgoat.net/viewpost?postid=65b550170ebc0


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[ - ] s23erdctfvyg 2 points 3 monthsMar 13, 2025 20:59:53 ago (+2/-0)

Explain to me why it won't work.
If anyone has to explain why a drug fueled den of degenerates who think the age of consent should be lowered is going to turn into a rape slavery cult, there's no answer that can be given that will ever be satisfactory for you.

In the end your dream will end with you taking a napalm bath so that the locals can save their family members you and your boys have kidnapped.

[ - ] Joe_McCarthy [op] -1 points 3 monthsMar 13, 2025 22:30:12 ago (+0/-1)

The drug fueled part was probably offbase but when you got to the "rape slavery cult" part I just started laughing at you as I am now.

[ - ] HonkyMcNiggerSpic 1 point 3 monthsMar 13, 2025 23:42:45 ago (+1/-0)

He/she always gets on the wrong side of any argument just like a fuckin leftist. I noticed it looooong ago. Not saying I agree with your fucky sucky ideology.

[ - ] Joe_McCarthy [op] 0 points 3 monthsMar 14, 2025 14:00:02 ago (+0/-0)

If you have any better ideas than one based on computer modeling like mine I'd be glad to hear it.

That's just it. You guys don't have any ideas. At all. This isn't even a fair fight. We just have me vs. brigading glowniggers and an audience that is intimidated.

[ - ] HonkyMcNiggerSpic 0 points 3 monthsMar 14, 2025 14:25:03 ago (+0/-0)

I figured it out long ago. I got married, bought a house, I farm a little, work a lot and so does she. We had kids. We have some of what we want and most of what we need. We created a little slice of heaven for us and its great. Living under a bridge and fucky suckying strangers will get old fast. I'd rather walk up to my barn and hang out with the animals when I feed them or ride my UTV across my property with my kids and grand kid and fish or hunt. That's heaven to me. We lived the city life for a while too and decided a slow country life is better for us. We have a full life. That's the secret to being happy.

[ - ] Joe_McCarthy [op] 0 points 3 monthsMar 14, 2025 14:28:21 ago (+0/-0)

Yeah. That's pretty much what guys like you offer. Get a house, get fat, live in the sticks, have kids.

That is not political revolution though. It is slowly boiling the frog. I am talking about starting a new society. I'm basically carving an ISIS caliphate out of the American west.

[ - ] CHIRO 0 points 3 monthsMar 14, 2025 00:48:31 ago (+0/-0)

I don't know what the details of this project are, but the title evokes things that sound niggerish and non-serious. If the comments about being 'too busy fucking' are indicative of a 'making love means not making war' thesis, the probability of this being long-run productive are vanishingly low. These things are just ways for some charismatic person or small group to get laid and live like kings until the jig is up.

[ - ] Joe_McCarthy [op] 0 points 3 monthsMar 14, 2025 13:43:22 ago (+0/-0)*

Involved conversation naturally but all one needs to know for starters is all you need to overthrow the system is have a better system. It needs to speak to people's needs and desires in fundamental ways. True liberation is what is in keeping with our authentic nature. Simple as.

"“Come, what is it … give over … you’ll break my arm … what matters is the way things have turned out,” he rattled on, not in the least surprised at the blow. “I forked out the money in the evening on condition that his sister and he should set off early next morning; I trusted that rascal Liputin with the job of getting them into the train and seeing them off. But that beast Liputin wanted to play his schoolboy pranks on the public—perhaps you heard? At the matinée? Listen, listen: they both got drunk, made up verses of which half are Liputin’s; he rigged Lebyadkin out in a dress-coat, assuring me meanwhile that he had packed him off that morning, but he kept him shut somewhere in a back room, till he thrust him on the platform at the matinée. But Lebyadkin got drunk quickly and unexpectedly. Then came the scandalous scene you know of, and then they got him home more dead than alive, and Liputin filched away the two hundred roubles, leaving him only small change. But it appears unluckily that already that morning Lebyadkin had taken that two hundred roubles out of his pocket, boasted of it and shown it in undesirable quarters. And as that was just what Fedka was expecting, and as he had heard something at Kirillov’s (do you remember, your hint?) he made up his mind to take advantage of it. That’s the whole truth. I am glad, anyway, that Fedka did not find the money, the rascal was reckoning on a thousand, you know! He was in a hurry and seems to have been frightened by the fire himself.… Would you believe it, that fire came as a thunderbolt for me. Devil only knows what to make of it! It is taking things into their own hands.… You see, as I expect so much of you I will hide nothing from you: I’ve long been hatching this idea of a fire because it suits the national and popular taste; but I was keeping it for a critical moment, for that precious time when we should all rise up and … And they suddenly took it into their heads to do it, on their own initiative, without orders, now at the very moment when we ought to be lying low and keeping quiet! Such presumption!… The fact is, I’ve not got to the bottom of it yet, they talk about two Shpigulin men, but if there are any of our fellows in it, if any one of them has had a hand in it—so much the worse for him! You see what comes of letting people get ever so little out of hand! No, this democratic rabble, with its quintets, is a poor foundation; what we want is one magnificent, despotic will, like an idol, resting on something fundamental and external..."
- Fyodor Dostoevsky, Demons

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/thefucknsucksociety/i-have-said-that-the-fuck-n-suck-is-an-anti-bourge-t30.html

[ - ] Gowithit 0 points 3 monthsMar 13, 2025 21:06:57 ago (+1/-1)

i was talking about conn77's thing(people not wanting the plandemic back) to 2 people (who would be your wanted demographic) and got to thinking...i think the governments trying to beat you to your suck and fuck. (have you noticed the similarities?) They have more money than you and it still hasn't quite worked. Theres too many ~Helenas~ holding the old guard. God bless us.

[ - ] Joe_McCarthy [op] -1 points 3 monthsMar 13, 2025 22:36:21 ago (+0/-1)

I don't even think Helena's anti-sex pose is real. Yours certainly isn't, to the extent you have one. I know you too well.

I dunno what you mean about the government. Right now I alternate between thinking they're hoping the prospect of a seditious conspiracy rap prevents me from getting anybody and them basically just taking a dive and letting me win. Or maybe hoping I'm too inept to even get the group together - if 'too inept' are even the right words.

Look this over carefully -

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2384

[ - ] Joe_McCarthy [op] -1 points 3 monthsMar 13, 2025 20:50:15 ago (+0/-1)

@PostWallHelena

[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 3 monthsMar 13, 2025 21:08:08 ago (+1/-1)

@Joe_McCarthy