I wonder about this guy. Been meaning to read his manifesto as it totally makes sense that a dude in 1850 London would bitch about the working class being exploited during the Industrial Revolution. I’m wondering if Marxism is a corruption of his ideas.
But not before I read Ted’s. Perhaps this weekend.
Marx reads like someone who does not get up at 4 in the morning to work in the mines until his lungs are black 14 hours later. You know, like someone in the working class.
[ - ] prototype 1 point 3 monthsMar 15, 2025 04:26:44 ago (+1/-0)
Marx reads like someone who does not get up at 4 in the morning to work in the mines until his lungs are black 14 hours later.
From the guy who could and would give free helicopter rides to communists, it sounds like the reason he wasn't getting up at 4 am to work 14 hours a day in a mine till he died had a lot to do with the fact he thought it was exploitive.
Sure, but on the flip side it's a well established fact that he never worked a day in his life. Trying to apply his ramblings to 20th and especially 21st century economic policy is like someone posting a Wagie meme in response to a guy who says he works twenty hours a week and refuses to go full time because he doesn't need to.
Trying to apply his ramblings to 20th and especially 21st century economic policy is like someone posting a Wagie meme in response to a guy who says he works twenty hours a week and refuses to go full time because he doesn't need to.
He was supported financially by Engels, who owned the kinds of factories Marxism rails against. They're all filthy jews whose only mission in life is to destroy Europa.
And while much of the Communist leadership were bourgeois or aristocrat types themselves I hardly see how you could really expect the thought leaders to be otherwise. Some prole slaving away in a factory 16 hours a day didn't have time or the means to write tomes with references to Hegel and Ricardo. That usually had to be wealthy dudes or those supported by wealthy dudes.
hopefully he's in hell right now. because of his manifesto millions of people have died needlessly,many others were torn from their family because his bs divided people agaisnt themselves. the effects of communism can be still felt today in many parts of the world.
cuba, north korea,venezuela and others are suffering under this satanic system who robs the people their lives and patrimony
Eh. You think Marx deserves to burn in hell because of what goes on in North Korea? He didn't envision his system taking hold in Russia nevermind in Asia. North Korea also removed all references to Marxism in its constitution over 15 years ago. It's basically a far right nationalist government that took on Marxist trappings because its sponsor was, yeah, Russia.
The question is: would Marx like North Korea now? Hard to say. But even in his time he sarcastically said "I'm not a Marxist" in referring to people he disagreed with who claimed to be his followers.
To say people died needlessly also sounds like Kool-Aid propaganda. How about all the people capitalists or monarchists have killed? Or have workers and peasants just had no reasonable gripes against the upper classes? Only the US has used nuclear weapons. No Communist regime ever has.
Americans, especially right-wingers, have been indoctrinated by capitalist and liberal democratic propaganda. Worse, the dissident right is mindlessly obsessed with Jews. If you're not reading Marx and Engels you're missing a lot. For one thing Marx is one of the formative influences on accelerationism. With Nietzsche he's unquestionably had the most impact on politics of any thinker in the last 200 years.
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But not before I read Ted’s. Perhaps this weekend.
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[ + ] prototype
[ - ] prototype 1 point 3 monthsMar 15, 2025 04:26:44 ago (+1/-0)
From the guy who could and would give free helicopter rides to communists, it sounds like the reason he wasn't getting up at 4 am to work 14 hours a day in a mine till he died had a lot to do with the fact he thought it was exploitive.
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[ - ] BMN003 2 points 3 monthsMar 15, 2025 05:48:17 ago (+2/-0)
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[ - ] prototype 2 points 3 monthsMar 15, 2025 07:47:14 ago (+2/-0)
Thats fair, you have a point.
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[ - ] Joe_McCarthy -1 points 3 monthsMar 15, 2025 07:52:29 ago (+0/-1)
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lafargue/1883/lazy/
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And while much of the Communist leadership were bourgeois or aristocrat types themselves I hardly see how you could really expect the thought leaders to be otherwise. Some prole slaving away in a factory 16 hours a day didn't have time or the means to write tomes with references to Hegel and Ricardo. That usually had to be wealthy dudes or those supported by wealthy dudes.
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[ - ] dosvydanya_freedomz 2 points 3 monthsMar 15, 2025 11:42:20 ago (+2/-0)
cuba, north korea,venezuela and others are suffering under this satanic system who robs the people their lives and patrimony
[ + ] Joe_McCarthy
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The question is: would Marx like North Korea now? Hard to say. But even in his time he sarcastically said "I'm not a Marxist" in referring to people he disagreed with who claimed to be his followers.
To say people died needlessly also sounds like Kool-Aid propaganda. How about all the people capitalists or monarchists have killed? Or have workers and peasants just had no reasonable gripes against the upper classes? Only the US has used nuclear weapons. No Communist regime ever has.
[ + ] Ragnar
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https://jonjayray.tripod.com/engels.html