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Just to clarify

submitted by Eliack to whatever 1 monthMar 18, 2025 07:07:38 ago (+32/-5)     (files.catbox.moe)

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[ - ] AugustineOfHippo2 8 points 1 monthMar 18, 2025 07:21:23 ago (+9/-1)

This is exactly right. God is the ultimate scientist and mathematician.

[ - ] JustALover 3 points 1 monthMar 18, 2025 08:54:14 ago (+5/-2)

What's the math behind letting infants get gang raped and murdered?

[ - ] Her0n 3 points 1 monthMar 18, 2025 09:14:01 ago (+5/-2)

How dare you question God's plan!

[ - ] Reunto 3 points 1 monthMar 18, 2025 14:40:15 ago (+3/-0)

"O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it: Why hast thou made me thus?" - Romans 9:20

[ - ] JustALover 1 point 1 monthMar 18, 2025 09:26:25 ago (+3/-2)

To add: in South Africa, kaffirs boil white infants alive while the parents watch.

Is that god the scientist or the mathematician?

[ - ] InYourFaceNancyGrace 2 points 1 monthMar 18, 2025 10:05:58 ago (+2/-0)

We exist on the edge of God's infinite reach. It is ever expanding, as infinity does by definition, but that means we are privy to see the horrors that lie beyond it. Some may even choose to live among and become those horrors.

Atheists think "Evil exists therefore God does not" is some kind of own, but the fact that evil exists just requires that there must be a good, and that good is of God.

[ - ] JustALover 0 points 1 monthMar 18, 2025 10:14:26 ago (+3/-3)

You didn't answer the question.

Or did you, when you wrote that god is not almighty?

[ - ] InYourFaceNancyGrace 3 points 1 monthMar 18, 2025 10:39:32 ago (+3/-0)

when you wrote that god is not almighty?

Ah so you're just straight up lying to meet your own conclusions now? God is almighty, and God will not retract His gift to us of our freewill. Both are true.

Have fun with your strawmen. You will note where I did actually write: "Some may even choose to live among and become those horrors." You are making that choice whether you believe it or not.

In case we're unclear (the intellect of this sub is wanting), you'll note that I didn't write the thing you said I did, and just because you incorrectly concluded that from anything I said doesn't mean I implied it. It just means you're a conceited liar.

[ - ] JustALover -2 points 1 monthMar 18, 2025 11:04:07 ago (+0/-2)

God is almighty, and God will not retract His gift to us of our freewill. Both are true.

So the infant chose to be boiled alive?

[ - ] SumerBreeze 1 point 1 monthMar 18, 2025 23:44:41 ago (+1/-0)

Your judaised logic doesn’t help.

[ - ] CoronaHoax 0 points 1 monthMar 18, 2025 14:03:13 ago (+0/-0)

Any videos of this or otherwise reports / articles?

[ - ] JustALover -1 points 1 monthMar 18, 2025 14:18:54 ago (+0/-1)

Videos? That would have been good to have to show the normies, but nah. Start reading up on south african farm murders.

Here's a start

https://antiek.afriforum.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Farm-attacks-and-farm-murders-in-South-Africa-Analysis-of-recorded-incidents-2019.pdf

[ - ] xmasskull 0 points 1 monthMar 18, 2025 14:32:14 ago (+0/-0)

No, that's the "Devil" niggers,being niggers.

[ - ] Eliack [op] 1 point 1 monthMar 18, 2025 10:36:04 ago (+1/-0)

First you have to ask yourself why God put you on this Earth to begin with, and then you will get the answer to your question :)

[ - ] VitaminSieg -1 points 1 monthMar 18, 2025 14:34:58 ago (+0/-1)

Why did God put children on the Earth just to be murdered? That's what you're asking? Otherwise you're just appealing to my own ego asking why He put me on the Earth, hoping you'll get a different answer.

[ - ] Eliack [op] 1 point 1 monthMar 18, 2025 14:45:23 ago (+1/-0)

You expected him to put adults on the Earth? Like straight up skip the childhood phase??? Sucks that there are bastards willing to target kids, but that's how a mechanical universe works: some of us make it to adulthood and some don't.

[ - ] Reunto 1 point 1 monthMar 18, 2025 14:41:27 ago (+1/-0)

Why does God allow bad things to happen

Epicurian dilemma

[ - ] Eliack [op] 1 point 1 monthMar 18, 2025 14:50:12 ago (+1/-0)

Epicurus intended to prove that gods were apathetic to our suffering, not that they weren't real. He missed one detail though, God could be all powerful and still let evil happen for a greater purpose. Christians have put decent theories on what this purpose could be, but Muslims have the best one, that humans were put on the Eart to be tested which entails God not to intervene openly every single time evil happens (and instead bearing a new subjective question of whether all this suffering is truly worth existence at all). Honestly, it surprises me how few people ask themselves why God put them on this planet to begin with rather than straight up Paradise. It would answer their question in no time.

[ - ] Reunto 1 point 1 monthMar 18, 2025 16:41:05 ago (+1/-0)

From a Christian perspective you could answer the Epicurian dilemma with the lesson of the book of Job. That through suffering we are made to grow and be perfected, to allow our perspective to be brought to a higher plane. It's similar to the Muslim approach you speak of.

God could be all powerful and still let evil happen for a greater purpose.

This sums it up beautifully

[ - ] s23erdctfvyg 0 points 1 monthMar 19, 2025 00:28:26 ago (+0/-0)

Free will + the capacity to have knowledge requires a reality with static rules in which the Creator does not directly intervene outside of specific scenarios (Ex fallen angels manipulating things they shouldn't). If God forces evil to act good, there is no free will, and if God changes the rules every time something bad is about to happen, it is impossible for there to be knowledge as nothing can be learned about an ever changing reality.

This reality is the reality of mans own will. If you dislike it, you are not a helpless babe. Just as I you were gifted from birth the capacity to destroy evil.

[ - ] AugustineOfHippo2 0 points 1 monthMar 19, 2025 08:07:47 ago (+0/-0)

Because we live in a fallen world where some people choose to do and be evil.

[ - ] Wahaha -1 points 1 monthMar 18, 2025 07:35:06 ago (+4/-5)

Except science supports evolution.

[ - ] goatfugee12 4 points 1 monthMar 18, 2025 08:08:15 ago (+4/-0)

remember that scene in dumb and dumber where jim carey has his fingers in his ears and is screaming "LALALALALALA" so as to not hear the truth?

[ - ] Reunto 2 points 1 monthMar 18, 2025 16:31:05 ago (+2/-0)

Science is just a process that takes information and creates models for how something happened/happens.

The models will change if the admitted evidence changes. If by ethos you presented the axiomatic information that the universe is 6000 years old, you could still perform science with that constraint.

That axiomatic premise isn't empirically generated, but in that sense it would be no different than the other axiomatic constraints we already apply to science. Concepts like "cosmology always remains the same", "repeated localized conditions are equivalent to each other", "the same setup will always produce repeatable results"

None of the axioms themselves are scientifically proven, but they are nonetheless built upon for the sake of creating scientific models.

Science can support a non-evolution model if the axioms directly or indirectly point toward it.

[ - ] Wahaha -1 points 1 monthMar 18, 2025 17:01:41 ago (+0/-1)

Do you even believe any of that nonsense? Axioms are things that are self-evident. It can also describe something you use as a starting point to see if it leads anywhere. If it doesn't you discard the idea.

Axioms do not support science. Science supports axioms.

[ - ] Reunto 1 point 1 monthMar 18, 2025 17:38:40 ago (+1/-0)

Do you even believe any of that nonsense?

If you mean 6000 year old earth, that's not my model of preference. But as a Catholic, I concede that God could have created the earth 6000 years ago (YEC model). Young vs old, Catholic doctrine permits either interpretation and essentially leaves it up to a mystery. Part of the reason is because Catholicism holds Biblical doctrinal inerrancy to be axiomatically true, and the Bible can currently be interpreted either way.

Axioms are things that are self-evident

It's more nuanced than that. Axioms are assumptions, or foundational premises in a school of thought. Axioms are arguments from ethos.

There is no proof that cosmology remains constant, but it is largely held as a truth for the sake of convenience. It is easier to make determinations based on that constraint.

Axioms do not support science. Science supports axioms.

You're thinking of laws instead of axioms. Laws are basically summary concepts from observations that are held (established by logos) to be a true phenomenon. You can prove a law to be incorrect. There have been laws proven incorrect. But I can't think of an example of something that would be a scientifically testable axiom.

If you think about how empiricism works, there are key assumptions that allow you to make comparisons between things. Assumptions that allow you to create data. Those base assumptions are going to be axioms.

It may be the case that you add more axioms than necessary for the purpose of generating that data, but that's where different schools of thought can affect the models. Someone assuming metaphysical naturalism may create conclusions that may conflict with a theistic religious account. Someone assuming a theistic religious account may create conclusions that conflict with the premise of metaphysical naturalism.

Metaphysical naturalism isn't part of science.

[ - ] Eliack [op] 1 point 1 monthMar 18, 2025 08:00:54 ago (+2/-1)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_evolution

Secular evolution brings as many problems and questions as it solves. It's pretty clear that evolution was the preferred method of God to establish the human race on the Earth.

[ - ] PostWallHelena -1 points 1 monthMar 18, 2025 10:26:04 ago (+1/-2)

(Good) science admits that it hasn’t solved every mystery in the universe. Its a set of tools for uncovering reality.

Declaring that a magical being is the explanation for everything we still don’t know is really a deus ex machina move — its a little too convenient.

If God communicated with the israelites or muhammed or jesus, why did he never mention evolution? There are descriptions of Creation in genesis and they appear to be wrong/ inconsistent with evolution and other science like astrophysics.

[ - ] Eliack [op] 1 point 1 monthMar 18, 2025 11:25:22 ago (+1/-0)

Science and religion compliment each other, rather than contradict. Understanding how a clock works is one thing, understanding it was created by a clockmaker is another.

It's great that humans attempt to solve God's creation through their scientific tools and methods, but eventually they will hit the wall and be unable to advance further. That's where the platitude "Because God created it that way" enters the game. Will science at any point explain why the pivotal laws of physics exist? How about the chemical elements and their crucial properties? It seems to me that scientists have already given up on a lot of issues, and are content with proclaiming that "it is what is" rather than entertain the possibility of "magic" (as if pondering on these issues with their consciousness on a floating rock in a convoluted universe dictated by laws isn't "magic" itself).

Regarding evolution, it makes sense that the same God who decided to create the universe gradually would also create humans in stages to make it more natural. Currently there are many unanswered questions regarding secular evolution (e.g. how living organisms developed from non-living matter, how the 2 genders came to emerge from asexual life forms, how only humans came to evolve to this stage while our ape cousins remained primitive, how humans even gained self-awareness for us to hold this convo, etc etc). Of course that won't stop haughty scientists from producing a million hypothesis (maybe this, maybe that) or promising for an answer in the future, but it's a fallacy as in a million years from now on they will be promising the same while we won't be able to disprove it.

Lastly Quran does indeed imply a gradual creation, and i will leave the defense of Bible for the Christians.

[ - ] Wahaha -1 points 1 monthMar 18, 2025 12:01:40 ago (+0/-1)

The key differentiator between science and religion is that science has the power of prediction. No matter the question, it's useless if "God" is the answer. Such an answer won't help you predict the future.

The annoying part is that there are plenty of people pretending to do science, yet they never managed to predict anything.

[ - ] Eliack [op] 1 point 1 monthMar 18, 2025 12:31:26 ago (+2/-1)

Science explains how and religion why. You need God as the answer - first when you question why a phenomenon exists-, and - second when you have reached the bottom of that phenomenon and can't continue any further. Example:
Why is the sky blue? Because of Rayleigh scattering.
Why does Rayleigh scattering happen? Because the molecules in the atmosphere are much smaller than the wavelengths of visible light.
Why does light scatter differently based on wavelength? Because light is an electromagnetic wave, and when it encounters particles much smaller than its wavelength, the oscillating electric field of the light wave induces dipoles in the particles.
...
Finally why does the universe obey Quantum Field Theory? There really is no answer, other than divine will.

[ - ] InYourFaceNancyGrace -1 points 1 monthMar 18, 2025 08:20:09 ago (+2/-3)

Evolution is nothing more than convoluted tautology. "Species that survived have done so because they were better at surviving than species that didn't survive." - give me a Nobel Prize and a bust in the Atheist temple.

Saying "God created animals, heaven, earth, etc." doesn't contradict that. The Bible (and most religion) doesn't get caught up in the minutia because a.) that's a great job for science, and b.) it tells us very little about the dynamics of reality that a dominant species like Man is to survive in.

Take the movie The Usual Suspects (30 year old movie but whatever, spoiler alert). If I tell you Roger Kint (aka "Verbal") is Keyser Söze, that's true. It doesn't tell all the minutia of the story, but it does kinda collapse the whole story into the major plot point around which the entire movie is built. It doesn't contradict that Söze consorts with the rest of the gang under the guise of Verbal, doesn't go through the movie scene by scene, but it gets you the major takeaway of the movie.

I'll end by pointing out the smart churches (e.g. the Catholic church, some might call it the true church, with a lineage straight to Christ) have taken the stance that religion and science are necessarily harmonious in keeping with the theme of this meme. Religion is the study of God's creation, and can even be a consecrated discipline. Take St. Albert the Great - a prolific medieval scientist. We're commonly taught that scientists were treated as heretics in the Middle Ages, but here's a Catholic Bishop that was given accolades for his pursuits. Copernicus, Mendel, Lemaître...

Suggesting that science and religion are incompatible or irreconcilable is just misguided. There's a ton more to say on the topic, but this comment is already too long for most.

[ - ] FacelessOne 0 points 1 monthMar 18, 2025 08:41:27 ago (+2/-2)*

The RCC has always been about control.

This world is ruled by Law and Religion. That has never changed. Science is just the newest religion on the scene.

The New Testament was made to counter kikes power grabs in controlling the banks. So Rome started a hundreds years process of writing their own authorized religious text. Very antisemitic with gnosticism and Baptist(ascetcism) stuff.

And so yes the Jesuit at the RCC subverting science and education by pushing the new paradigm of evolution twisted from Darwin to suit their purposes. They adopted Heliocentrism and the Calendar system we use today.

None of this seems like a problem to you? That everything you believe you know about this world and Religion is presented to you by the guys who burned any book and its owner at the stake that predated the authorized religious text?

[ - ] InYourFaceNancyGrace 0 points 1 monthMar 18, 2025 09:44:32 ago (+0/-0)*

Holy shit. So we've gone from the jews run everything to the Catholics run everything?

Your wild conjecture here isn't even internally consistent. "Adopted" Heliocentricism, no, they pioneered it. And it's still used today because it fits very neatly in the model of gravity that has developed since with Newton and Einstein.

And Rome needing to subvert judaism in order to conquer it despite Judea already having been conquered by the Egyptians, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, and Greeks?

So Rome started a hundreds years process of writing their own authorized religious text

Ah shit I see: you're retarded. Romans had a religion, and it wasn't Christianity (until well after the crucifixion of Our Lord - much closer to the Byzantine era than the "eradication of jews" era). Romans took their religious influence from the Greeks - the Roman gods are the Greek gods renamed and adapted with the same fucking mythology. And they conquered all of Southern Europe and North Africa, INCLUDING JUDEA, with that religion at its heart.

"Romans invented Christianity to conquer the jews" is some next level retarded shit. I'm actually impressed lol.

[ - ] FacelessOne 0 points 1 monthMar 18, 2025 12:30:10 ago (+0/-0)*

Everything you spout is just more rothchild and jesuit fictions.

Yes it was the RCC that pushed Heliocentrism into the "Secular" world. Also the RCC that pushed Evolution. The Big Bang. Must I go on.

Why did you drink the RCC kool-aid and think Peter was the first Pope. A calendar system created and then back dated to make it seem like the calendar and Christ are related. What a fucking joke dude.

Kikes Shabbos Goys Kings Emperors have all grappled for pieces of the materialistic pie.

Control over the minds was shaped by the RCC. That was the entire point of creating a Carnal Christ and controlling the entire narrative to support the government aka Rome thanks to Paul's letters. And fictional words of Christ. A screenplay about Jesus of Easu to turn the Gnostic Christos into a Religious Messiah(of the jews).

If you don't think Rome would go through 300 years of editing a holy scripture just to fuck over kikes and banks you havnt paid attention to any of history.

[ - ] doginventer 4 points 1 monthMar 18, 2025 08:42:28 ago (+4/-0)

By Design: Behe, Lennox, and Meyer on the Evidence for a Creator [1.24.29]
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Oi3Eaitrarlu/
Michael Behe, John Lennox, and Steven Meyer are three of the leading voices in science and academia on the case for an intelligent designer of the universe and everything in it (including us). In this wide-ranging conversation, they point out the flaws in Darwin’s theory and the increasing amount of evidence uncovered by a rigorous application of the scientific method that points to an intentional design and creation of the physical world.

How the Origin of Life Points to the Existence of God - Cold-Case Christianity - J. Warner & Jimmy Wallace [14.38]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNNDa9DO36w

Eugenie Scott Refuted on Abduction and Natural Causes; Is Evolution a Religion? - SouthernIsraelite [22.47]
https://www.bitchute.com/video/S3mmhGB1MwoL/

We Have Been LIED TO About The Origin Of Life - Free Range Slave [55.45]
https://www.bitchute.com/video/rhlkfZqbGZ48/
@DrJamesTour explains the massive problems with the official narrative of how life began. For anyone who truly values evidence & truth, this episode is for you.

[ - ] NaturalSelectionistWorker 0 points 1 monthMar 18, 2025 09:06:24 ago (+0/-0)

But science directly contradicts the bible, the koran, and even the communist manifesto and atlas shrugged in a variety of ways.

Would be an easier fit if people stopped getting their beliefs about religion from jews, but even half the people who claim to hate jews wanna worship one jew or another.

[ - ] texasblood 0 points 1 monthMar 18, 2025 09:37:00 ago (+1/-1)

That's so fucked,did a 10yr old make that up.
Science and religion are both "man" constructs.
Neither can save your soul so just keep on hating and making excuses how much smarter humans are than their creator

[ - ] Reunto 0 points 1 monthMar 18, 2025 14:43:46 ago (+0/-0)

Neither can save your soul

If everything is a construct why couldn't religion save your soul?

[ - ] texasblood -1 points 1 monthMar 18, 2025 17:44:47 ago (+0/-1)

Religion is of man and is a construct.
Man can do NOTHING and its so easily proven

[ - ] Sal_180 3 points 1 monthMar 18, 2025 09:44:00 ago (+3/-0)

Problem with religion is it can't be wrong or it all falls apart. People ignore most of the Bible and just choose small parts because some is too ridiculous.

[ - ] Wahaha 0 points 1 monthMar 18, 2025 11:48:59 ago (+0/-0)

That seems to be only a feature of religions descended from Judaism. If you get into Shintoism or Daoism things are more flexible. Though, those don't aim to govern every aspect of their believers life for personal gain and can perfectly coexist with other religions.

[ - ] Sal_180 0 points 1 monthMar 18, 2025 12:00:58 ago (+0/-0)

Yeah, it applies to the big religions. People murdered because they interpreted a part of the Bible differently. Very strange.

[ - ] Ragnar 3 points 1 monthMar 18, 2025 09:44:26 ago (+3/-0)

It was the study of God’s creation a few centuries ago, but no more.

Now it’s a study of how to pervert God’s creation and play gods themselves. See tranny surgery, IVF, etc

[ - ] CoronaHoax 2 points 1 monthMar 18, 2025 14:01:49 ago (+2/-0)

Science basically born out of Catholic Church no? Atleast a ton it?

[ - ] Rob3122 0 points 1 monthMar 18, 2025 16:40:36 ago (+0/-0)

Sheep