Around the close of Hong Kong trading hours, Beijing retaliated against President Trump's tariffs by hiking levies on U.S. goods to 125%, up from the prior 84%. In a notable shift, the Chinese Communist Party announced it would "no longer respond" to any further tariff increases from Washington.
China had already raised tariffs on US imports to 84 percent, which already had already shown no effect on Americans at all.
Here are the retaliatory measures reportedly being contemplated by China in response to the 104 percent tariffs imposed by the US government.
1) Retaliatory Tariff increases on U.S. Agricultural Products including Soybeans and Sorghum.
Whooptie-fucking-doo. No one cares about Big Ag's profit margin. Feed it to the cattle.
2) Banning import of U.S. Poultry into China
Whooptie-fucking-doo 2.0. Again, no one cares about Big Ag's profit margin. Lower prices for Americans on rotisserie chicken and KFC are NOT regarded as a problem for Americans.
3) Suspending Sino-U.S. cooperation on Fentanyl-related issues
Whooptie-fucking-doo 3.0. There is nothing the Chinese can do to stop American junkies from taking illegal drugs.
4) Countermeasures in the Service related Sector
China already has "The Great Firewall". That card had already been played long ago. Nobody here cares.
5) Banning the import of US Films into China
Feature, not bug. Let hollywood burn.
6) Investigating the Intellectual Property Benefits of US Companies operating in China
Threatening IP rights that they've never shown any respect for before?
geez no, you will pay more because they pass the buck on the customer. tariffs doesnt cause deflation. unless china uses a loophole in which they export their shit through countries like mexico or panama or something.
just ask any AI if tariffs are deflationary and they will laugh in your face
how tariffs impossed by the u.s on japan in the 80's affected the american consumer?
ChatGPT said:
The tariffs imposed by the U.S. on Japan in the 1980s—especially during the height of U.S.-Japan trade tensions—had a mixed impact on American consumers. Here’s a breakdown of what happened and how it affected people in the U.S.:
🔍 Background: What Was Happening? In the 1980s, Japan had a large trade surplus with the U.S., particularly in automobiles, electronics, and steel. The U.S. government accused Japan of unfair trade practices like dumping (selling goods at artificially low prices) and restricting U.S. access to Japanese markets.
To counter this, the U.S. imposed tariffs, import quotas, and pressured Japan into voluntary export restraints (VERs), especially on cars and electronics.
💵 How It Affected American Consumers
1. Higher Prices for Imported Goods
Japanese cars and electronics became more expensive due to tariffs and quotas.
This reduced the competition for U.S.-made goods, which let domestic producers raise prices too.
Consumers had fewer affordable choices, especially in the fuel-efficient car market, where Japanese automakers dominated.
2. Slower Tech Access
Japan was a leader in consumer electronics (TVs, VCRs, audio equipment).
Tariffs slowed the influx of new, affordable Japanese tech, limiting access and innovation for American consumers in the short term.
3. Boost to U.S. Industries (With Trade-offs)
U.S. automakers and electronics companies got breathing room to catch up.
This protected American jobs in some industries, but it didn’t necessarily lead to better products or prices for consumers in the short run.
4. Long-Term Innovation Pressure
Tariffs didn’t force U.S. companies to innovate quickly.
In some cases, they delayed necessary improvements, meaning U.S. consumers got stuck with less competitive products for a while.
📊 Example: The Auto Industry
When Japan agreed to limit car exports to the U.S. in 1981:
Japanese car prices went up.
U.S. automakers raised prices on similar models.
Some Japanese companies (like Honda and Toyota) responded by building factories in the U.S.—which created jobs but took time.
🧾 Bottom Line for Consumers
Short-term: Higher prices, fewer choices.
Medium to long term: Some benefits from domestic job growth and production, but with a lag in quality and innovation.
The Japan tarrifs in the 80's caused a revolution of automotive parts being made and assembled in other countries. Its the primary reason why Hyundai even exists.
Further, you are comparing apples to oranges. Japan in the 80's wasn't exploiting cheap labor and no environmental legislation. Nor was Japan cheating with currency manipulation. They are not the same.
Tarrifs do not necessarily cause inflation. That's low brow thinking. And take a look. The inflation rate, just yesterday, showed a 15% drop.
Let's say a car made in the US costs $20,000 and that same car costs $10,000 in China. Hypothetically just for making a point.
That US made car is priced at $22,000 to give a 10% profit. Again just Hypothetical to demonstrate the point.
US car costs $20,000, sells for $22,000 for a 10% profit.
Now, does China sell their $10,000 car in the US for $11,000 to make that same 10%? No. Of course not. They sell their $10,000 car for $20,000 offering the US consumer a 10% discount from the $22,000 US made car and pockets $10,000, or 100%, profit.
Now, Trump comes along and hits the China made car with a 25% tarriff. Does the China car maker jack the price of their car up 25% to $25,000? No. They continue to sell their car at $20,000 to keep it cheaper than the US made car and pockets 75% profit instead of 100% profit. No change in price to the US consumers.
Tariffs are not a tax on consumption or the consumer.
If the tarrifs against a specific country get too high, like we are seeing against China now, the manufacturer moves out of that specific country and makes its shit in a country that doesn't have that high tarrif rate. Or, the tarriff'd country sends their products to an intermediary country, like Mexico, and eats the higher shipping costs to avoid the tarrifs.
None of this causes higher prices on tarriff'd goods.
Now, as for the China tarrifs on US goods. If higher prices in China on US goods causes lower demand from China, and the supply by the US manufacturer stays the same, less demand for the same supply means lower prices here at home. If the US stops shipping soy beans to China, the price of Soy beans, here in the US goes down, lowering inflation.
yeah you are pretty wrong and govt do cook the books
Q: How did the tariffs imposed by the U.S. on Japan in the 80s affect the American consumer?
A: The U.S. imposed tariffs, quotas, and pressured Japan into “voluntary export restraints” to address trade imbalances, especially in cars and electronics.
Impact on American consumers:
Higher prices: Japanese products like cars and electronics became more expensive.
Fewer choices: Japan dominated small cars and tech; tariffs limited access to those.
Domestic prices rose too: U.S. companies faced less competition and also raised prices.
Slower innovation: With less competition, U.S. industries had less incentive to innovate fast.
Short-term: Consumers paid more and had fewer choices. Long-term: Some domestic production recovered, but it took time.
Q: China just levied a 125% tariff on U.S. imports. How much should we expect prices to increase?
A: If a U.S. product costs $100, a 125% tariff would add $125, making the total cost $225 — a 125% price increase for Chinese importers and buyers.
Who actually pays?
Mostly Chinese importers/consumers, but U.S. exporters may cut prices to stay competitive.
Some costs may be shared between suppliers, wholesalers, and buyers.
Broader effects:
Less demand for U.S. products in China.
U.S. exporters suffer (e.g., agriculture, energy, high-end goods).
Possible domestic surpluses in the U.S., lowering prices domestically but hurting exporters.
Q: Can exporters/importers find loopholes?
A: Yes. Common strategies include:
Transshipment through third countries (e.g., ship U.S. goods to Vietnam, repackage, then ship to China).
Light processing or reassembly to change country of origin.
Tariff engineering: modifying products to fall under a lower-duty category.
Free trade zones and bonded warehouses: delaying or rerouting shipments.
Shift manufacturing to countries like Mexico or Vietnam to avoid direct U.S.-China trade.
Transfer pricing between subsidiaries to shift duties/taxes.
Undervaluation or mislabeling (illegal).
Switch trade: using intermediary trading firms in neutral countries.
Note: These range from clever and legal → borderline → outright fraud. Authorities are cracking down, especially using AI and trade databases.
So yeah — tariffs absolutely affect prices and can contribute to inflation, especially when imposed on widely-used goods. Anyone saying otherwise is either oversimplifying or just hasn't looked at how global supply chains really work.
Let me know if you want this turned into a one-page PDF or infographic for easier sharing 😎
Also, the Jap tarrifs were 100%. This triggered a move out of Japan for automotive manufacturers to make and assemble cars in other countries. That's not the same as a 10% tarriff and retaliatory tarrifs to correct trade imbalances.
but it destroyed their economy with endless recessions. they still sale cars and other electronics at higher prices but their economic state ceased to be an ideal one long time ago. btw, did you know that japanese govt has some input in how they produce and export stuff. its not a true free market economy either.
Am I supposed to cry if China goes the way of Japan? Not gonna do it.
hey think bigger the issue here is not about making you cry for japan or china. is to be aware of what might likely happen to american citizens. do you get it??
[ + ] BulletStopper
[ - ] BulletStopper 3 points 2 monthsApr 11, 2025 12:09:33 ago (+3/-0)
Here are the retaliatory measures reportedly being contemplated by China in response to the 104 percent tariffs imposed by the US government.
1) Retaliatory Tariff increases on U.S. Agricultural Products including Soybeans and Sorghum.
Whooptie-fucking-doo. No one cares about Big Ag's profit margin.
Feed it to the cattle.
2) Banning import of U.S. Poultry into China
Whooptie-fucking-doo 2.0. Again, no one cares about Big Ag's profit margin.
Lower prices for Americans on rotisserie chicken and KFC are NOT regarded as a problem for Americans.
3) Suspending Sino-U.S. cooperation on Fentanyl-related issues
Whooptie-fucking-doo 3.0. There is nothing the Chinese can do to stop American junkies from taking illegal drugs.
4) Countermeasures in the Service related Sector
China already has "The Great Firewall". That card had already been played long ago.
Nobody here cares.
5) Banning the import of US Films into China
Feature, not bug. Let hollywood burn.
6) Investigating the Intellectual Property Benefits of US Companies operating in China
Threatening IP rights that they've never shown any respect for before?
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 0 points 2 monthsApr 11, 2025 08:42:33 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] dosvydanya_freedomz
[ - ] dosvydanya_freedomz [op] 2 points 2 monthsApr 11, 2025 08:44:12 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 0 points 2 monthsApr 11, 2025 08:47:29 ago (+0/-0)
Now, won't the prices of those items, here in the US, go down because of the reduced demand from China, which helps lower inflation?
[ + ] dosvydanya_freedomz
[ - ] dosvydanya_freedomz [op] 0 points 2 monthsApr 11, 2025 08:56:58 ago (+0/-0)
just ask any AI if tariffs are deflationary and they will laugh in your face
[ + ] dosvydanya_freedomz
[ - ] dosvydanya_freedomz [op] 0 points 2 monthsApr 11, 2025 09:02:51 ago (+0/-0)
ChatGPT said:
🔍 Background: What Was Happening?
In the 1980s, Japan had a large trade surplus with the U.S., particularly in automobiles, electronics, and steel. The U.S. government accused Japan of unfair trade practices like dumping (selling goods at artificially low prices) and restricting U.S. access to Japanese markets.
💵 How It Affected American Consumers
Medium to long term: Some benefits from domestic job growth and production, but with a lag in quality and innovation.
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 0 points 2 monthsApr 11, 2025 09:16:31 ago (+0/-0)
The Japan tarrifs in the 80's caused a revolution of automotive parts being made and assembled in other countries. Its the primary reason why Hyundai even exists.
Further, you are comparing apples to oranges. Japan in the 80's wasn't exploiting cheap labor and no environmental legislation. Nor was Japan cheating with currency manipulation. They are not the same.
[ + ] dosvydanya_freedomz
[ - ] dosvydanya_freedomz [op] 0 points 2 monthsApr 11, 2025 09:29:48 ago (+0/-0)
no. in japan it destroyed their economy by the 90's they began to enter in to an endless recession first called the lost generation.
btw, unlike you i did study in economics and social studies twice a few decades ago but i decided to look more in to it for your benefit. not mine
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 0 points 2 monthsApr 11, 2025 09:13:04 ago (+0/-0)
Let's say a car made in the US costs $20,000 and that same car costs $10,000 in China. Hypothetically just for making a point.
That US made car is priced at $22,000 to give a 10% profit. Again just Hypothetical to demonstrate the point.
US car costs $20,000, sells for $22,000 for a 10% profit.
Now, does China sell their $10,000 car in the US for $11,000 to make that same 10%? No. Of course not. They sell their $10,000 car for $20,000 offering the US consumer a 10% discount from the $22,000 US made car and pockets $10,000, or 100%, profit.
Now, Trump comes along and hits the China made car with a 25% tarriff. Does the China car maker jack the price of their car up 25% to $25,000? No. They continue to sell their car at $20,000 to keep it cheaper than the US made car and pockets 75% profit instead of 100% profit. No change in price to the US consumers.
Tariffs are not a tax on consumption or the consumer.
If the tarrifs against a specific country get too high, like we are seeing against China now, the manufacturer moves out of that specific country and makes its shit in a country that doesn't have that high tarrif rate. Or, the tarriff'd country sends their products to an intermediary country, like Mexico, and eats the higher shipping costs to avoid the tarrifs.
None of this causes higher prices on tarriff'd goods.
Now, as for the China tarrifs on US goods. If higher prices in China on US goods causes lower demand from China, and the supply by the US manufacturer stays the same, less demand for the same supply means lower prices here at home. If the US stops shipping soy beans to China, the price of Soy beans, here in the US goes down, lowering inflation.
[ + ] dosvydanya_freedomz
[ - ] dosvydanya_freedomz [op] 0 points 2 monthsApr 11, 2025 09:17:36 ago (+0/-0)
Q: How did the tariffs imposed by the U.S. on Japan in the 80s affect the American consumer?
A:
The U.S. imposed tariffs, quotas, and pressured Japan into “voluntary export restraints” to address trade imbalances, especially in cars and electronics.
Impact on American consumers:
Higher prices: Japanese products like cars and electronics became more expensive.
Fewer choices: Japan dominated small cars and tech; tariffs limited access to those.
Domestic prices rose too: U.S. companies faced less competition and also raised prices.
Slower innovation: With less competition, U.S. industries had less incentive to innovate fast.
Short-term: Consumers paid more and had fewer choices.
Long-term: Some domestic production recovered, but it took time.
Q: China just levied a 125% tariff on U.S. imports. How much should we expect prices to increase?
A:
If a U.S. product costs $100, a 125% tariff would add $125, making the total cost $225 — a 125% price increase for Chinese importers and buyers.
Who actually pays?
Mostly Chinese importers/consumers, but U.S. exporters may cut prices to stay competitive.
Some costs may be shared between suppliers, wholesalers, and buyers.
Broader effects:
Less demand for U.S. products in China.
U.S. exporters suffer (e.g., agriculture, energy, high-end goods).
Possible domestic surpluses in the U.S., lowering prices domestically but hurting exporters.
Q: Can exporters/importers find loopholes?
A: Yes. Common strategies include:
Transshipment through third countries (e.g., ship U.S. goods to Vietnam, repackage, then ship to China).
Light processing or reassembly to change country of origin.
Tariff engineering: modifying products to fall under a lower-duty category.
Free trade zones and bonded warehouses: delaying or rerouting shipments.
Shift manufacturing to countries like Mexico or Vietnam to avoid direct U.S.-China trade.
Transfer pricing between subsidiaries to shift duties/taxes.
Undervaluation or mislabeling (illegal).
Switch trade: using intermediary trading firms in neutral countries.
Note: These range from clever and legal → borderline → outright fraud. Authorities are cracking down, especially using AI and trade databases.
So yeah — tariffs absolutely affect prices and can contribute to inflation, especially when imposed on widely-used goods. Anyone saying otherwise is either oversimplifying or just hasn't looked at how global supply chains really work.
Let me know if you want this turned into a one-page PDF or infographic for easier sharing 😎
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 0 points 2 monthsApr 11, 2025 09:22:41 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] dosvydanya_freedomz
[ - ] dosvydanya_freedomz [op] 0 points 2 monthsApr 11, 2025 09:33:55 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 0 points 2 monthsApr 11, 2025 09:47:15 ago (+0/-0)
Am I supposed to cry if China goes the way of Japan? Not gonna do it.
[ + ] dosvydanya_freedomz
[ - ] dosvydanya_freedomz [op] 0 points 2 monthsApr 11, 2025 11:42:38 ago (+0/-0)
hey think bigger the issue here is not about making you cry for japan or china. is to be aware of what might likely happen to american citizens. do you get it??