Everyone talks about the "birthrate" crisis, but that is an artificial scare tactic due to (((government))) ponzi schemes.
There are way too many people, which creates way too many "service" jobs that have no value, and the people alive suffer because of scarcity of resources for the money they make.
Also, low birthrate is not a permanent condition - and when society can support more people, every woman can start pumping out 10 to 15 kids as long as the resources are met.
Intelligent people think generations ahead, and with healthcare and housing being so expensive, each additional kid will take away from future generations - just invest in the small number of kids and eventually the "boom-bust" cycle will work for humans too.
A quick look at China and India tells the story that there are over 50 million more men than women in the current generation for China, and over 30 million more men in India - all because China and India have male preference cultures, and those men are now faced with competing for women as a scarce resource. It's not hard for anyone to see that at some point this disparity will turn violent.
In America that is a complete bullshit narrative. American land alone can support more than 5x the population we currently have.
The problem is that we are feeding anti-White violent foreigners that are forcibly placed among us, which leads to a low-trust society, and White women's wombs shrink back when in an insecure environment.
The rest of the world's population isn't our problem. It's a problem that people think it is.
[ - ] localsal 1 point 4 hoursMay 4, 2025 20:17:24 ago (+1/-0)
If you think the US problem of immigration is ever going away, or that a White society will result, that is the bullshit.
White people like to be left alone. That means way less than your 5x increase is possible, plus just think about "quality of life". Every metric of quality of life drops tremendously with increased population. Just think about it and look around.
How has the tax situation developed with all these people? How about traffic? How about neighborhoods? Schools? Healthcare? Every Single Metric drops with increased populations.
Even in Japan, with almost zero diversity - the future prospects of 80% of the young couples are severely limited. That is exactly what will happen in the US as population goes up - and even if there is land available it will take years for permits to make more housing in the US, and maybe decades for places like California. Land without being able to build houses does not help any young couple in the US.
Kick out all the immigrants and the Whites will have a future, and the stupid (((need))) for migrants to prop up the ponzi schemes don't even contribute to the social safety nets - meaning that even these artificial population numbers are hurting the country more than a population decrease would.
Even in Japan, with almost zero diversity - the future prospects of 80% of the young couples are severely limited. That is exactly what will happen in the US as population goes up
Not even close. Again, we have the LAND to support 5x what we even have. I didn't say I recommend HAVING 5x the population.
it will take years for permits
That's current two-party 'jew'-party system thinking. We don't need that where we're going.
Kick out all the immigrants and the Whites will have a future, and the stupid (((need))) for migrants to prop up the ponzi schemes don't even contribute to the social safety nets - meaning that even these artificial population numbers are hurting the country more than a population decrease would.
[ - ] localsal 1 point 3 hoursMay 4, 2025 21:17:58 ago (+1/-0)
I am curious though on what your thoughts are on the benefits of an increasing population.
I have been watching the Hungary debates on tax relief for mothers, and my thoughts are that mighty Adolf was in a very unique position when he created his policies - to right unemployment and end the punishment of the Treaty of Versailles.
Orban doesn't have any of those problems, and the immediate effect will be for tax coffer income to drop by maybe 30% or more, which will be made up how?
Seems like the best answer for a family in Hungary at that point would be for the dad to stay at home with the kids and the wife to make all the income, tax free. Doesn't seem sustainable.
And what is the reason for wanting more kids in Hungary anyway? My only guess is for the ponzi social net to have more supply (in 20 years!) without needing immigrants? The world is a totally different place than 1932...
I am curious though on what your thoughts are on the benefits of an increasing population.
Whites are less than 60% of the population. We would most certainly do well with more Whites.
Seems like the best answer for a family in Hungary at that point would be for the dad to stay at home with the kids and the wife to make all the income, tax free. Doesn't seem sustainable.
Having a 100% White country as the US would be a blessing, but that will never happen without violence. I am willing to accept the violence if it would make my country 100% White too.
But that is not the current reality, because of the filthy kikes. I live in reality, although my thoughts are often toward a utopia.
Just having more Whites in the current demographics doesn't fix anything, as the Whites are not doing the needful to fix anything. And Whites having more intelligence than all the migrants makes us think more about future generations, rather than just popping out babies for numbers.
The problem for Hungary and the US is the soon to be felt reckoning of the debt problem. Who do you think will be the first demographic cut off from social programs when the government needs to cut spending by half? Whites. Not the retarded immigrants with 5 wives and 20 kids, no. Just the Whites that have paid into the system for years/decades. That is reality.
In a perfect world, the immigrants would be cut off first, and sent packing of their own accord, with the biggest share of benefits being kept for those that paid in. But we all know that won't happen.
In the situation that could arise in Hungary, should a man work 60 hours per week for the government to take 70% or more of that labor value? That is the likely result when giving tax free status to all mothers.
Or should the woman work 40 hours per week and collect twice as much family income as the man? When survival hits, the intelligent have the advantage.
The problem for Hungary and the US is the soon to be felt reckoning of the debt problem.
And why is this a problem? Tell us all you don't understand the debt based fiat system without telling us you don't understand the debt based fiat system.
Or should the woman work 40 hours per week and collect twice as much family income as the man? When survival hits, the intelligent have the advantage.
LMAO. I'm not insisting on women working. But it is the most logical thing when taxes spiral out of control. Think man.
Do you take the lowest paid job you can? Or are you actually smart with choosing how to trade your skills for money? LMAO.
You make a lot of claims about knowing how debt works, yet you offer nothing in the way of knowledge.
This is the problem I had with a lot of people on old voat - they make all these negative remarks without adding any value. If you can't produce knowledge - especially on a site like this - your electrons are as complete waste.
Here is my thought on all the US debt. In the end of 2025 or 2026, there are 7 TRILLION dollars of bonds maturing. This means that the US has to pay off that loan. What if the lender doesn't want to let the US keep that money? How will the US cover 13 TRILLION dollars in funding for the next year? Where is that money coming from if nobody buys any bonds?
And that is just 2025/26. There are a few more Trillion coming due shortly after that.
As the US typically fights for a working budget on a good year, having to deal with an enormous spike in outflow will cripple congress. Who gets cut? What does the government do?
Since you seem to know all about how that debt will work out, I am eager to hear your knowledge. And that is half sarcasm and half honestly willing to learn.
[ - ] localsal 1 point 3 hoursMay 4, 2025 21:37:47 ago (+1/-0)
Exactly, and that is an unsustainable situation.
Population can't increase indefinitely of anything. China is finding this out with the tariffs and the warehouses full of products that are now worthless.
This is even more evident in nature as every species goes through the boom-bust cycle with almost predictable regularity.
The social welfare needs demand an ever increasing productive population, which just kicks the problem down the road until finally one generation says "enough" and countries collapse.
You can literally see them with your eyes. You can see the excesses in photos and metrics on the internet. Do you believe NYC is a fake place? Nope, all those people exist in real life. Instead of homesteads and hamlets, a vast corruption has taken over the land.
I've seen a massive overcrowding of Whites happen in my own town, which used to be a relatively idyllic place. Girls used to ride their horses on the lanes and back streets that have turned into 6 lane roads filled with motor vehicles, all to handle the excessive overpopulation.
Congratulations if you live in bumfuck, but there are hundreds of millions of people in the US now.
You are confusing the propensity of the masses to congregate toward the urban centers because of Gov't overreach which punishes Whites as an indicator of overpopulation.
The problem 'circles' back to the broken kike-system we are operating in, where Whites are forced to pay for the privilege of being raped and murdered by the 40%+ of non-Whites that not only do not contribute, but are a/THE detriment.
It's not an overpopulation problem, which, again, is WEF/kike-propaganda.
Birth rates should be break-even, once the population is a tiny fraction of current levels. Most (every?) problems facing our species is a problem because of overpopulation.
The negative effects of overcrowding happen regardless of race. Look at a night sky image of the US. It's literally covered with the lights of urban areas, which should not even exist. Look out an airplane window (or google maps) and notice how the landscape is covered in industrial food production for the overpopulation.
Both jewish ranchers and minecrafters over-breed their cattle for the same reason. Profits and resources. Imagine the US population were suddenly right-sized. Who would supply the money and resources to Israel? Where would you find an army to threaten Israel's neighbors?
[ + ] Love240
[ - ] Love240 0 points 7 hoursMay 4, 2025 17:12:31 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] localsal
[ - ] localsal 2 points 5 hoursMay 4, 2025 19:19:01 ago (+2/-0)
There are way too many people, which creates way too many "service" jobs that have no value, and the people alive suffer because of scarcity of resources for the money they make.
Also, low birthrate is not a permanent condition - and when society can support more people, every woman can start pumping out 10 to 15 kids as long as the resources are met.
Intelligent people think generations ahead, and with healthcare and housing being so expensive, each additional kid will take away from future generations - just invest in the small number of kids and eventually the "boom-bust" cycle will work for humans too.
A quick look at China and India tells the story that there are over 50 million more men than women in the current generation for China, and over 30 million more men in India - all because China and India have male preference cultures, and those men are now faced with competing for women as a scarce resource. It's not hard for anyone to see that at some point this disparity will turn violent.
[ + ] Love240
[ - ] Love240 0 points 4 hoursMay 4, 2025 19:58:18 ago (+0/-0)
In America that is a complete bullshit narrative. American land alone can support more than 5x the population we currently have.
The problem is that we are feeding anti-White violent foreigners that are forcibly placed among us, which leads to a low-trust society, and White women's wombs shrink back when in an insecure environment.
The rest of the world's population isn't our problem. It's a problem that people think it is.
[ + ] localsal
[ - ] localsal 1 point 4 hoursMay 4, 2025 20:17:24 ago (+1/-0)
White people like to be left alone. That means way less than your 5x increase is possible, plus just think about "quality of life". Every metric of quality of life drops tremendously with increased population. Just think about it and look around.
How has the tax situation developed with all these people? How about traffic? How about neighborhoods? Schools? Healthcare? Every Single Metric drops with increased populations.
Even in Japan, with almost zero diversity - the future prospects of 80% of the young couples are severely limited. That is exactly what will happen in the US as population goes up - and even if there is land available it will take years for permits to make more housing in the US, and maybe decades for places like California. Land without being able to build houses does not help any young couple in the US.
Kick out all the immigrants and the Whites will have a future, and the stupid (((need))) for migrants to prop up the ponzi schemes don't even contribute to the social safety nets - meaning that even these artificial population numbers are hurting the country more than a population decrease would.
[ + ] Love240
[ - ] Love240 0 points 4 hoursMay 4, 2025 20:26:35 ago (+0/-0)
Not even close. Again, we have the LAND to support 5x what we even have. I didn't say I recommend HAVING 5x the population.
That's current two-party 'jew'-party system thinking. We don't need that where we're going.
We both absolutely agree on this.
[ + ] localsal
[ - ] localsal 1 point 3 hoursMay 4, 2025 21:17:58 ago (+1/-0)
I have been watching the Hungary debates on tax relief for mothers, and my thoughts are that mighty Adolf was in a very unique position when he created his policies - to right unemployment and end the punishment of the Treaty of Versailles.
Orban doesn't have any of those problems, and the immediate effect will be for tax coffer income to drop by maybe 30% or more, which will be made up how?
Seems like the best answer for a family in Hungary at that point would be for the dad to stay at home with the kids and the wife to make all the income, tax free. Doesn't seem sustainable.
And what is the reason for wanting more kids in Hungary anyway? My only guess is for the ponzi social net to have more supply (in 20 years!) without needing immigrants? The world is a totally different place than 1932...
[ + ] Love240
[ - ] Love240 0 points 3 hoursMay 4, 2025 21:22:43 ago (+0/-0)
Whites are less than 60% of the population. We would most certainly do well with more Whites.
Talk about a cuck mentality.
[ + ] localsal
[ - ] localsal 0 points 3 hoursMay 4, 2025 21:33:57 ago (+0/-0)
But that is not the current reality, because of the filthy kikes. I live in reality, although my thoughts are often toward a utopia.
Just having more Whites in the current demographics doesn't fix anything, as the Whites are not doing the needful to fix anything. And Whites having more intelligence than all the migrants makes us think more about future generations, rather than just popping out babies for numbers.
The problem for Hungary and the US is the soon to be felt reckoning of the debt problem. Who do you think will be the first demographic cut off from social programs when the government needs to cut spending by half? Whites. Not the retarded immigrants with 5 wives and 20 kids, no. Just the Whites that have paid into the system for years/decades. That is reality.
In a perfect world, the immigrants would be cut off first, and sent packing of their own accord, with the biggest share of benefits being kept for those that paid in. But we all know that won't happen.
In the situation that could arise in Hungary, should a man work 60 hours per week for the government to take 70% or more of that labor value? That is the likely result when giving tax free status to all mothers.
Or should the woman work 40 hours per week and collect twice as much family income as the man? When survival hits, the intelligent have the advantage.
[ + ] Love240
[ - ] Love240 0 points 3 hoursMay 4, 2025 21:40:37 ago (+0/-0)
And why is this a problem? Tell us all you don't understand the debt based fiat system without telling us you don't understand the debt based fiat system.
The fuck is with you insisting on women working?
HOLY FUCK you are a cuck.
[ + ] localsal
[ - ] localsal 0 points 3 hoursMay 4, 2025 21:49:30 ago (+0/-0)
Do you take the lowest paid job you can? Or are you actually smart with choosing how to trade your skills for money? LMAO.
You make a lot of claims about knowing how debt works, yet you offer nothing in the way of knowledge.
This is the problem I had with a lot of people on old voat - they make all these negative remarks without adding any value. If you can't produce knowledge - especially on a site like this - your electrons are as complete waste.
Here is my thought on all the US debt. In the end of 2025 or 2026, there are 7 TRILLION dollars of bonds maturing. This means that the US has to pay off that loan. What if the lender doesn't want to let the US keep that money? How will the US cover 13 TRILLION dollars in funding for the next year? Where is that money coming from if nobody buys any bonds?
And that is just 2025/26. There are a few more Trillion coming due shortly after that.
As the US typically fights for a working budget on a good year, having to deal with an enormous spike in outflow will cripple congress. Who gets cut? What does the government do?
Since you seem to know all about how that debt will work out, I am eager to hear your knowledge. And that is half sarcasm and half honestly willing to learn.
[ + ] Sector2
[ - ] Sector2 0 points 3 hoursMay 4, 2025 21:24:27 ago (+0/-0)
More hosts, and more support for the parasites. That's the bottom line reasoning for brainwashing people into wanting overcrowding.
[ + ] localsal
[ - ] localsal 1 point 3 hoursMay 4, 2025 21:37:47 ago (+1/-0)
Population can't increase indefinitely of anything. China is finding this out with the tariffs and the warehouses full of products that are now worthless.
This is even more evident in nature as every species goes through the boom-bust cycle with almost predictable regularity.
The social welfare needs demand an ever increasing productive population, which just kicks the problem down the road until finally one generation says "enough" and countries collapse.
[ + ] Love240
[ - ] Love240 0 points 3 hoursMay 4, 2025 21:27:02 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Sector2
[ - ] Sector2 0 points 2 hoursMay 4, 2025 21:59:52 ago (+0/-0)
I've seen a massive overcrowding of Whites happen in my own town, which used to be a relatively idyllic place. Girls used to ride their horses on the lanes and back streets that have turned into 6 lane roads filled with motor vehicles, all to handle the excessive overpopulation.
Congratulations if you live in bumfuck, but there are hundreds of millions of people in the US now.
[ + ] Love240
[ - ] Love240 0 points 2 hoursMay 4, 2025 22:12:30 ago (+0/-0)
The problem 'circles' back to the broken kike-system we are operating in, where Whites are forced to pay for the privilege of being raped and murdered by the 40%+ of non-Whites that not only do not contribute, but are a/THE detriment.
It's not an overpopulation problem, which, again, is WEF/kike-propaganda.
It's a non-White problem.
Stop repeating their tired lies.
[ + ] Sector2
[ - ] Sector2 0 points 3 hoursMay 4, 2025 21:19:26 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Love240
[ - ] Love240 0 points 3 hoursMay 4, 2025 21:23:58 ago (+0/-0)
Not of Whites... Holy fuck, what is wrong with you people? Are you even White?
[ + ] Sector2
[ - ] Sector2 0 points 3 hoursMay 4, 2025 21:45:54 ago (+0/-0)
Both jewish ranchers and minecrafters over-breed their cattle for the same reason. Profits and resources. Imagine the US population were suddenly right-sized. Who would supply the money and resources to Israel? Where would you find an army to threaten Israel's neighbors?
[ + ] Love240
[ - ] Love240 0 points 3 hoursMay 4, 2025 21:48:25 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] BoozyB
[ - ] BoozyB 1 point 6 hoursMay 4, 2025 18:41:54 ago (+1/-0)
That is all you need to understand.