I've brought this up before, and I think it's high time to implement a system that is at least similar to what voat.co had. Here's how it worked on voat.co...
- If a user had less than 100 CCP, they couldn't downvoat comments or posts.
- If a user had less than 10 CCP, they couldn't make posts of their own.
- If a user had negative CCP they were restricted to a certain number of comments per day/week depending on how deeply negative their CCP was. The more negative their CCP, the less often they were allowed to comment. Remember @Edgelord666? His CCP was in the negative thousands, and he was only allowed to comment something like once a week.
- All users, regardless of their CCP/SCP totals, were also blocked from posting more than 3 times to any given sub in a 60 minute period.
My suggestion is to implement this system, or one similar to it, but have it also apply to negative SCP (something voat 1.0 did not do). Here's why...
On voat.co, a new user could pretend to be a non-spamfag for just long enough to generate enough positive CCP (more than 10), enabling them to make posts. Then they would go dark for two weeks, after which point, none of their original comments could be voated on (either up or down), thus securing their ability to post with that account, forever. They would then use their post-ready account to spam the site, and, so long as they never overtly violated TOS, no one could stop them from spamming lolis or animal gore or whatever their "legal", non-TOS violating spam was, no matter how deeply negative their SCP got.
So, @system, I am suggesting the implementation of the voat.co system with one addition: negative SCP restricts users from being able to make posts. Maybe between -1 and -10 they can post once per day, and anything lower than -10 restricts them to once per week. I don't know how you would prefer to break it down, but there needs to be some kind of SCP based restriction in place to prevent spamming. It is not possible for you to moderate the site 24/7 all on your own. A system like this will give voat.xyz an immune system similar to what voat.co had, which enabled any user with over 100 CCP to participate in protecting the site from spam, and in some cases illegal, content. CCP and SCP can and should function as more than just an internet virtue meter. These point totals can and should be used to protect the site from malicious activity.
[ + ] system
[ - ] system 11 points 4 yearsApr 12, 2021 03:06:56 ago (+12/-1)
This how it worked on voat.co. I've been hesitant to implement similar features on this site just because I wanted to see how things pan out first. But as time goes on I am beginning to realize it is the only way. It puts moderation into the hands of the majority and is a good immune system. "buT mUh ecHo ChamBer!" is bullshit and only enables losers to posts tranny porn or shock images to the site without repercussion.
I will implement something similar soon.
[ + ] Nosferatjew
[ - ] Nosferatjew [op] 4 points 4 yearsApr 12, 2021 03:11:10 ago (+5/-1)*
[ + ] i_hate_sodomites
[ - ] i_hate_sodomites 3 points 4 yearsApr 12, 2021 12:07:07 ago (+3/-0)
[ + ] Tallest_Skil
[ - ] Tallest_Skil 5 points 4 yearsApr 12, 2021 07:04:31 ago (+6/-1)
[ + ] we_kill_creativity
[ - ] we_kill_creativity 2 points 4 yearsApr 12, 2021 10:45:58 ago (+2/-0)
I don't recall what you just described being an issue on Voat1.
[ + ] Tallest_Skil
[ - ] Tallest_Skil 3 points 4 yearsApr 12, 2021 11:16:37 ago (+3/-0)
Mass downvotes don’t currently have power over other users’ ability to post. If this gets implemented, all that must be done is downvoting someone (who goes against the jewish narrative) until they’re punished by being unable to post anymore.
[ + ] we_kill_creativity
[ - ] we_kill_creativity 0 points 4 yearsApr 12, 2021 11:41:57 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Tallest_Skil
[ - ] Tallest_Skil 2 points 4 yearsApr 12, 2021 11:45:46 ago (+2/-0)
And I answered it.
I literally just did. Don’t do this. Don’t do it. Stop allowing bots to determine what ACTUAL USERS are able to do. Stop allowing ANY user from preventing ANY OTHER USER from posting.
[ + ] we_kill_creativity
[ - ] we_kill_creativity 1 point 4 yearsApr 12, 2021 12:50:27 ago (+1/-0)
If you allow bots etc. unrestricted access to spam/brigade you allow them to ruin a forum and then no one gets to post because the forum is useless. The system on Voat1 worked, and very well actually. Could that system be improved? Possibly, but whatever its flaws, it was far better than doing nothing, as you propose.
[ + ] Tallest_Skil
[ - ] Tallest_Skil 1 point 4 yearsApr 12, 2021 14:43:05 ago (+1/-0)
Okay. So don’t!
Nowhere did I propose that. You’re not reading my posts.
[ + ] account deleted by user
[ - ] account deleted by user 1 point 4 yearsApr 12, 2021 07:17:19 ago (+2/-1)
[ + ] Hey_guys_whats_up
[ - ] Hey_guys_whats_up 3 points 4 yearsApr 12, 2021 07:43:56 ago (+3/-0)*
Still haven't gotten a response.
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[ - ] account deleted by user 0 points 4 yearsApr 14, 2021 21:03:28 ago (+0/-0)*
[ + ] account deleted by user
[ - ] account deleted by user 4 points 4 yearsApr 12, 2021 03:06:59 ago (+7/-3)
[ + ] system
[ - ] system 13 points 4 yearsApr 12, 2021 03:23:42 ago (+14/-1)
[ + ] fightknightHERO
[ - ] fightknightHERO 1 point 4 yearsApr 12, 2021 08:38:23 ago (+1/-0)
Is pagan sperging out again?
[ + ] account deleted by user
[ - ] account deleted by user -2 points 4 yearsApr 12, 2021 03:34:53 ago (+2/-4)
[ + ] system
[ - ] system 8 points 4 yearsApr 12, 2021 03:49:19 ago (+8/-0)
[ + ] heygeorge
[ - ] heygeorge -4 points 4 yearsApr 12, 2021 07:46:50 ago (+0/-4)
What if it’s international dog day? Or consists or less than 1% of a users output? Does it come down to your intervention (or buns) alone?
[ + ] Nosferatjew
[ - ] Nosferatjew [op] 4 points 4 yearsApr 12, 2021 03:42:21 ago (+5/-1)
[ + ] account deleted by user
[ - ] account deleted by user -3 points 4 yearsApr 12, 2021 03:28:08 ago (+4/-7)*
[ + ] Nosferatjew
[ - ] Nosferatjew [op] 13 points 4 yearsApr 12, 2021 03:41:30 ago (+14/-1)
Illegal content, like CP, gets the ban (obviously), but garbage like tranny hentai and dick chopping vids, while not illegal, do deserve consequences from the communtiy that don't involve banning the user. This is where restricting a user's ability to post, based on their low or negative CCP/SCP, comes into play. It worked well on voat.co, it will work well here too.
[ + ] account deleted by user
[ - ] account deleted by user 1 point 4 yearsApr 12, 2021 11:29:23 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] account deleted by user
[ - ] account deleted by user -1 points 4 yearsApr 12, 2021 10:12:45 ago (+0/-1)*
[ + ] account deleted by user
[ - ] account deleted by user 0 points 4 yearsApr 12, 2021 11:31:45 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] PeckerwoodPerry
[ - ] PeckerwoodPerry 0 points 4 yearsApr 12, 2021 11:54:11 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Hey_guys_whats_up
[ - ] Hey_guys_whats_up -9 points 4 yearsApr 12, 2021 07:41:45 ago (+1/-10)*
Yeah I really don't like your rationale.
[ + ] fightknightHERO
[ - ] fightknightHERO 9 points 4 yearsApr 12, 2021 09:43:13 ago (+9/-0)
lost your way from reddit faggot?
[ + ] Hey_guys_whats_up
[ - ] Hey_guys_whats_up 0 points 4 yearsApr 12, 2021 13:36:17 ago (+0/-0)
I'll be the first one in the room to say that CP and spam posts have no place hear at all.
You know what's ironic of all? Your rationale is that we can't allow speech like that hear because it's damaging to our discourse and so we can't tolerate it.
It's funny because it's what people on Reddit use to excuse the censorship of right wing views the condundrum of tolerating the intolerable.
[ + ] account deleted by user
[ - ] account deleted by user 3 points 4 yearsApr 12, 2021 11:30:17 ago (+3/-0)
[ + ] system
[ - ] system 6 points 4 yearsApr 12, 2021 03:43:56 ago (+6/-0)*
[ + ] we_kill_creativity
[ - ] we_kill_creativity 2 points 4 yearsApr 12, 2021 10:44:50 ago (+2/-0)
I believe we're talking about more than that, we're talking about malicious spamming meant to degrade, or completely ruin, everyone else's free speech.
[ + ] paul_neri
[ - ] paul_neri -1 points 4 yearsApr 12, 2021 03:17:15 ago (+2/-3)
[ + ] account deleted by user
[ - ] account deleted by user 2 points 4 yearsApr 12, 2021 07:20:32 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] sguevar
[ - ] sguevar 1 point 4 yearsApr 12, 2021 10:27:19 ago (+1/-0)*
I still think that users with negative ccp and negative scp should be able to post what they want at the rate that they want to.
The block user functionality is more than enough to avoid viewing those contents. If there is already a NSFW rule in place and the content that the users are posting is within that margin and still they do not post it as such then a ban should be considered on the subverse. After a certain amount of repeated offenses then a site ban should be considered (not before given the user is given the due warnings they deserve)
Obviously the legal standard trumps any other standard. If the content is illegal then in that regard immediate ban should be put in place.
However there will be a time when the synagogue of Satan considers any speech that goes against theirs, illegal. What then? That is in fact the big question. What will happen then, how will we adapt to that?
This type of arguments and discussions is what the tools of the jews in the letter that openly attack Christians today, as the synagogue of Satan wants them to, will use as to try to ban bible verses, Christian conversations, or even Christians debating.
I think that the users with negative ccp, scp should be able to have the ability to see their posts seen so the community can spot them and be weary of them. By seeing them you are not obliged to look at what they post, you simply gain conscience of their existence and warn others.
Banning them for posting legal content that dislikes the majority is not sufficient reason to ban them from the site.
[ + ] heygeorge
[ - ] heygeorge 1 point 4 yearsApr 12, 2021 07:43:55 ago (+2/-1)
@system it is [[concerning]] to read when you start banning someone for “not listening to an admin”, but I didn’t directly see it go down. And how you’ve been so far, it’s probably not even a grey area.
The circle jerk created by downvote restrictions is real, even if you handwave it. The issue is similar to NSFW, but worse, that a single mechanism exists to address multiple problems. With downvoting, the same button which means ‘This isn’t my favorite thing to see’ also means ‘I disagree’, and ‘never fucking post here again, you fucking jerkoff pedo’.
Voat got overrun by trumpcum guzzlers because of this and actual discussion took a huge nosedive. So while some restrictions may help users moderate, there also could be a much better path. Something that Puttsy wishes he’d have done which is far better. Like even a report button which actually did something useful.
[ + ] Nosferatjew
[ - ] Nosferatjew [op] 0 points 4 yearsApr 12, 2021 10:03:54 ago (+0/-0)
Maybe. It appeared to restrict @Edgelord666 to less than one comment a day though, so, how did that work?
Explain. How would a report button do something useful? There was a report button on voat.co, didn't do shit.
[ + ] account deleted by user
[ - ] account deleted by user 0 points 4 yearsApr 12, 2021 10:12:07 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Nein
[ - ] Nein 0 points 4 yearsApr 12, 2021 09:18:24 ago (+0/-0)
And this is just like reddit.
But I agree with your other points, about new users.
[ + ] MicahReno
[ - ] MicahReno -1 points 4 yearsApr 12, 2021 10:06:25 ago (+0/-1)
[ + ] Ducktalesooo000ooo
[ - ] Ducktalesooo000ooo -4 points 4 yearsApr 12, 2021 07:14:27 ago (+0/-4)*
Fucking downvoating kike faggots nail me every day because I comment about conspiracy theories involving corruption within the 3rd reich...
...and the legitimacy of transportation to serve as punishment for a diaspora culture.
Edit: see?
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[ + ] Ducktalesooo000ooo
[ - ] Ducktalesooo000ooo 0 points 4 yearsApr 12, 2021 08:36:31 ago (+0/-0)
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[ - ] account deleted by user 0 points 4 yearsApr 12, 2021 09:01:48 ago (+1/-1)
[ + ] Antiliberalsociety
[ - ] Antiliberalsociety 2 points 4 yearsApr 12, 2021 09:09:36 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] account deleted by user
[ - ] account deleted by user 1 point 4 yearsApr 12, 2021 09:13:37 ago (+2/-1)
[ + ] Ducktalesooo000ooo
[ - ] Ducktalesooo000ooo 0 points 4 yearsApr 12, 2021 09:45:05 ago (+0/-0)
A song is lyrics and music nigger.