Feed them right and exercise them daily, besides a yearly deworming regime I wouldn't worry about anything since you won't be living in town surrounded by cityot dog owners.
If he's in the country he needs a rabies vax. It's a completely preventable illness that is nearly 100% fatal. Not getting your dog a rabies vax is straight up retarded
[ - ] Her0n 1 point 3.6 yearsOct 8, 2021 19:57:13 ago (+1/-0)
It’s not zero, and it about the trades offs. I take my dog off leash into the woods with me all the time. We encounter wild animals often and she has never charged them. That doesn’t mean the animals won’t charge her, that was my “cope” if you will. My kids won’t have any vaccines though.
If there was a virus floating around out there, that had a 100% fatality rate, but only 300-400 people a year ever contracted that virus, I would never even begin to consider getting vaccinated against it. I would also never ever consider advising other people to get such a vaccine. Just sayin.
Fair enough. I can’t do anything once she catches it, and we spend 90% of our time outside and near other animals so I took the chances with the rabies vaccine.
I agree with what you say though. It’s such a low infection rate, but I have had rabid animals on my property twice in one year.
Literally everyone. That’s the selling propaganda of the rabies shot. “Get it in case a wild animal bites you.” Wild animals = rabies. Rabies doesn’t exist people are simply afraid of wild animals.
Get Parvo if they're ever going to be around other dogs, dog parks, in public, etc even in the woods (coyotes, wolves). It's really easy to spread and a fucking heartbreak to watch your pup die of.
Before I moved across the country, I got my healthy dog up to date on all his shots. Before that he had only been vaccinated for rabies (as required by state law) and neutered. I was concerned while traveling I would get denied a room if I wanted to stay in a pet-friendly hotel and he wasn't up to date on everything. They never checked or asked when I did stay.
Because of all the shots he got, he developed an auto-immune disorder that he had for the rest of his life. It caused his skin to itch badly, a foul odor from the oils his body produced, his ears had to be cleaned out of gunk two times a week. Besides the misery it caused him, it was also a huge pain in the ass to try to mitigate his condition. Frequent baths, laying down mats and blankets that had to be laundered often. We used white hospital pads that would be brown just from him laying on them for a couple of days.
I'd give a puppy a dewormer. Maybe get them a rabies shot when they are older, maybe. It depends on how prevalent rabies is in your area. Neither of my two current dogs now have had any shots, and I don't plan on them getting any.
None of my cats have had any shots either, but they do get dewormed every year (they eat birds and rodents). The only time I have had to go to the vet has been to get neutered/spayed (sometimes we neuter our own cats), and to get the cats treated for rodent poisoning. I had to self-diagnose kittens we adopted that had parvo, the vet was useless when it came to that. They are the gate-keepers for life-saving supplies like IV fluids though, so you have no choice but to deal with them. Antibiotics & dewormers can be bought online.
Puppies can get parvo, and there is a vaccine for it. Parvovirus can kill puppies quickly, and they need 24/7 care if they do get parvo to survive it. But if you don't have parvo in your environment and you never take your puppies out they should be safe from it. The biggest risk for parvo is probably getting puppies from a breeder that has it. Puppies are safe from parvo while they are nursing, but as the maternal antibodies leave their system that is when they can get it. Even if puppies are vaccinated for parvo, they still sometimes get it and die.
Bordetella (aka kennel cough) vaccinations you really don't need unless you plan on boarding your dog at a kennel.
Lyme disease was around in the area I used to live, but we don't have that where I am now.
Since my old dog passed away last year, none of my animals now have ever been vaccinated for anything.
I won't get any of my animals vaccinated ever again. Some people (including myself) think that vaccinations also interfere with the bond you have with the animal. There is a noticeable change after getting vaccinated. I like getting pictures in my mind when my cats talk to me.
[ - ] Jiggggg 1 point 3.6 yearsOct 9, 2021 17:07:12 ago (+1/-0)
Just out of curiosity, what kind of dog was it? I found my golden retriever as a stray adult and he has the exact same skin / ear / smell issues. I've tried medicated shampoos, getting him tested for allergies, etc... Getting him on a good flea preventative helped a lot but we still struggle with it. Sucks man
He was a German Shepherd / Rottweiler mix. Floppy ears. The only thing that once knocked it out well was neem oil (mixed with other essential oils like peppermint, lavender, etc). But after it came back neem oil wasn't effective again. The only thing I didn't try was an expensive essential oil treatment for yeast infections. Just got tired of anything we tried not working and just dealt with it. I think the vet put him on some thyroid med, didn't work.
My grandma told me about a medication for dogs that treats the symptoms (she saw a commercial on tv), but when I looked up the medication most people reported their dog died within a few months to a year of cancer after starting the medication. Many people also commented how their dog developed that condition after getting vaxxed. I think the drug name is Apoquel. Note that Apoquel is an immunosuppressant (his immune system was fucked after getting vaxxed).
We went grain-free early on when this started, as it was one of the obvious things to try. Used ACV topically but didn't give it to him to drink or anything. How did you feed the ACV to your dog?
Absolutely get a parvo vax. Our little dog got it from eating cat poo in our back yard (and we didn't even own a cat, it was from neighborhood cats using our yard as their toilet). Fortunately, we caught it early before her symptoms got bad, but even early on it was clear she was suffering.
The vet gave us three options: leave her there for them to nurse her back to health, take her home and we nurse her back to health, or have her put down. The outlook was not good, since even with proper treatment, it's a difficult recovery. We chose the second, since we didn't have the money to kennel her with the vet.
A major part of the treatment was having to give her an IV for saline twice a day, since her diarrhea was explosive, disgusting, and smelled like death, and she needed to replenish her fluids. It broke my heart hearing her screech whenever she was jabbed with the needle.
She recovered and she's still with us today. I'm ashamed I didn't take the time or go to the trouble to get her vaccinated when we got her and let her go through that.
So, at the very least, get the parvo vax for your dog.
If you want to take your dog to a groomer, you'll have to get the rabies vax, too. My dogs never experienced any reaction to it, and they need to be groomed about every nine months, so that's a good idea too.
Good job on saving your pup. Supposedly dogs can't get parvo from cats, but cats can get parvo from dogs. So you may be wrong about exactly how your dog got parvo, but that virus is so hard to kill and can last up to a year. You could have stepped in some contaminated shit and brought it into the house that way.
I think it is better you got the IV fluids from the vet and took care of them at home too. Being in a familiar setting is much less stressful than sticking them in quarantined crate at the vet.
That damn virus takes too many puppies and kittens from us.
I'm ashamed I didn't take the time or go to the trouble to get her vaccinated when we got her and let her go through that.
I've read about dogs and cats still getting parvo after being vaxxed. It isn't 100% and it also takes time after the vax is given. Shame and guilt are useless here, you learned something and you are trying to educate others to avoid that situation. All you can do...
Whether dogs can get parvo from cats is what the vet told me, so that's the limit of my knowledge. All I know is that when we came home from the vet, I spent the rest of the day raking leaves and loose dirt from the yard down to bare earth because I wasn't going to tempt fate. I wanted a clean environment, even though the vet said if she survived she would have antibodies that would help resist another infection.
I think it is better you got the IV fluids from the vet and took care of them at home too. Being in a familiar setting is much less stressful than sticking them in quarantined crate at the vet.
That was the biggest factor in our taking her home. We didn't want her to suffer in a cage with strangers. Even if she got better, it might have traumatized her.
[ - ] HughBriss 1 point 3.6 yearsOct 8, 2021 20:30:56 ago (+1/-0)
My consolation for your struggle with your cat. It's really hard with a little friend you love. Good for you for taking care of your friend. They love us unconditionally, and the least we can do is do our best for them.
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[ - ] v0atmage 7 points 3.6 yearsOct 8, 2021 12:06:03 ago (+7/-0)
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[ - ] Rotteuxx 6 points 3.6 yearsOct 8, 2021 12:06:09 ago (+6/-0)
Feed them right and exercise them daily, besides a yearly deworming regime I wouldn't worry about anything since you won't be living in town surrounded by cityot dog owners.
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[ - ] Vodkamachine 4 points 3.6 yearsOct 8, 2021 13:52:40 ago (+4/-0)
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[ - ] Native -1 points 3.6 yearsOct 8, 2021 16:03:49 ago (+0/-1)
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[ - ] Her0n 2 points 3.6 yearsOct 8, 2021 16:26:43 ago (+2/-0)
Animals and pets however… different story.
362 domestic animal rabies cases in 2018
https://www.cdc.gov/rabies/location/usa/surveillance/domestic_animals.html
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[ - ] bobdole9 1 point 3.6 yearsOct 8, 2021 16:48:23 ago (+1/-0)
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[ - ] Nosferatjew 0 points 3.6 yearsOct 8, 2021 16:52:05 ago (+0/-0)
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[ - ] Her0n 1 point 3.6 yearsOct 8, 2021 19:57:13 ago (+1/-0)
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[ - ] Nosferatjew 1 point 3.6 yearsOct 8, 2021 21:10:14 ago (+1/-0)
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[ - ] Her0n 0 points 3.6 yearsOct 8, 2021 22:00:49 ago (+0/-0)
I agree with what you say though. It’s such a low infection rate, but I have had rabid animals on my property twice in one year.
[ + ] mikenigger
[ - ] mikenigger 0 points 3.6 yearsOct 12, 2021 08:19:17 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Native
[ - ] Native 0 points 3.6 yearsOct 13, 2021 03:39:43 ago (+0/-0)
Rabies.
It’s a made up term. Doesn’t exist
[ + ] Her0n
[ - ] Her0n 0 points 3.6 yearsOct 13, 2021 09:44:29 ago (+0/-0)
Who’s out here saying all wild dogs have rabies?
[ + ] Native
[ - ] Native 0 points 3.6 yearsOct 13, 2021 14:18:26 ago (+0/-0)
Rabies doesn’t exist people are simply afraid of wild animals.
[ + ] Her0n
[ - ] Her0n 0 points 3.6 yearsOct 13, 2021 15:26:31 ago (+0/-0)
Maybe next time I catch one in my lives traps I’ll keep it caged and watch what happens, see if the animal expires from the supposed illness?
Im not about to risk my ass though
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[ - ] Native 0 points 3.5 yearsOct 29, 2021 15:35:33 ago (+0/-0)
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[ - ] Her0n 0 points 3.5 yearsOct 29, 2021 16:45:22 ago (+0/-0)
There’s plenty of examples of this behavior in wild animals as well as pets. What’s your explanation for it?
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[ - ] bobdole9 1 point 3.6 yearsOct 8, 2021 16:48:15 ago (+1/-0)
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Because of all the shots he got, he developed an auto-immune disorder that he had for the rest of his life. It caused his skin to itch badly, a foul odor from the oils his body produced, his ears had to be cleaned out of gunk two times a week. Besides the misery it caused him, it was also a huge pain in the ass to try to mitigate his condition. Frequent baths, laying down mats and blankets that had to be laundered often. We used white hospital pads that would be brown just from him laying on them for a couple of days.
I'd give a puppy a dewormer. Maybe get them a rabies shot when they are older, maybe. It depends on how prevalent rabies is in your area. Neither of my two current dogs now have had any shots, and I don't plan on them getting any.
None of my cats have had any shots either, but they do get dewormed every year (they eat birds and rodents). The only time I have had to go to the vet has been to get neutered/spayed (sometimes we neuter our own cats), and to get the cats treated for rodent poisoning. I had to self-diagnose kittens we adopted that had parvo, the vet was useless when it came to that. They are the gate-keepers for life-saving supplies like IV fluids though, so you have no choice but to deal with them. Antibiotics & dewormers can be bought online.
Puppies can get parvo, and there is a vaccine for it. Parvovirus can kill puppies quickly, and they need 24/7 care if they do get parvo to survive it. But if you don't have parvo in your environment and you never take your puppies out they should be safe from it. The biggest risk for parvo is probably getting puppies from a breeder that has it. Puppies are safe from parvo while they are nursing, but as the maternal antibodies leave their system that is when they can get it. Even if puppies are vaccinated for parvo, they still sometimes get it and die.
Bordetella (aka kennel cough) vaccinations you really don't need unless you plan on boarding your dog at a kennel.
Lyme disease was around in the area I used to live, but we don't have that where I am now.
Since my old dog passed away last year, none of my animals now have ever been vaccinated for anything.
I won't get any of my animals vaccinated ever again. Some people (including myself) think that vaccinations also interfere with the bond you have with the animal. There is a noticeable change after getting vaccinated. I like getting pictures in my mind when my cats talk to me.
https://www.sheknows.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Puppy-Vaccinations_jirys8.jpeg
https://barkingroyalty.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Puppy-Vaccination-Schedule-02.gif
[ + ] NeedleStack
[ - ] NeedleStack [op] 1 point 3.6 yearsOct 8, 2021 19:24:29 ago (+1/-0)
Your poor pup. I'm so sorry to hear all he went through. It sounds like you did an awesome job nursing him though so bless you.
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[ - ] Shitheel 1 point 3.6 yearsOct 8, 2021 20:01:17 ago (+1/-0)
Just a guess here, but was it a westward relocation?
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My grandma told me about a medication for dogs that treats the symptoms (she saw a commercial on tv), but when I looked up the medication most people reported their dog died within a few months to a year of cancer after starting the medication. Many people also commented how their dog developed that condition after getting vaxxed. I think the drug name is Apoquel. Note that Apoquel is an immunosuppressant (his immune system was fucked after getting vaxxed).
Read the comments on this article especially: https://vitalanimal.com/apoquel-dog-1/
Also made sure there wasn't any grain in his dog food, but that wasn't it.
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[ - ] HughBriss 3 points 3.6 yearsOct 8, 2021 15:56:28 ago (+3/-0)
The vet gave us three options: leave her there for them to nurse her back to health, take her home and we nurse her back to health, or have her put down. The outlook was not good, since even with proper treatment, it's a difficult recovery. We chose the second, since we didn't have the money to kennel her with the vet.
A major part of the treatment was having to give her an IV for saline twice a day, since her diarrhea was explosive, disgusting, and smelled like death, and she needed to replenish her fluids. It broke my heart hearing her screech whenever she was jabbed with the needle.
She recovered and she's still with us today. I'm ashamed I didn't take the time or go to the trouble to get her vaccinated when we got her and let her go through that.
So, at the very least, get the parvo vax for your dog.
If you want to take your dog to a groomer, you'll have to get the rabies vax, too. My dogs never experienced any reaction to it, and they need to be groomed about every nine months, so that's a good idea too.
[ + ] TardWhisperer
[ - ] TardWhisperer 2 points 3.6 yearsOct 8, 2021 18:00:32 ago (+2/-0)
I think it is better you got the IV fluids from the vet and took care of them at home too. Being in a familiar setting is much less stressful than sticking them in quarantined crate at the vet.
That damn virus takes too many puppies and kittens from us.
I've read about dogs and cats still getting parvo after being vaxxed. It isn't 100% and it also takes time after the vax is given. Shame and guilt are useless here, you learned something and you are trying to educate others to avoid that situation. All you can do...
[ + ] HughBriss
[ - ] HughBriss 2 points 3.6 yearsOct 8, 2021 20:40:19 ago (+2/-0)
That was the biggest factor in our taking her home. We didn't want her to suffer in a cage with strangers. Even if she got better, it might have traumatized her.
Thanks for the good words.
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