The Bible and history has nothing to do with Christianity, Christianity is and always was the product of Christians, not the Bible, not Jesus Christ, and not his God either, but the Bible, Christ, and God that lives in the hearts and minds of Christians, their communities, their beliefs and opinions, their rules and laws, their traditions and practices, their achievements and their culture.
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It was never about what it is, but what we think it is, never about what it says, but what we think it says, the Christians create their own Christianity, the Bible is a prop that is occasionally referred to, but by no means is it the basis of the religion, more a symbol of it, the real lord and savior lives not on the pages, but in the minds of our collective, not as the book says they are/were, but as we think they should be/have been.
Reality, politics, culture, and religion are non overlapping magisteria, one pair is concerned with what is and what should be done about it, the other pair is concerned with who we are and the mythology that gives us the expression of our identity, and which allows us to come together as a group based around commonalities that tie into this mythological identification.
Our morals don't come from the Bible, they come from ourselves, but we use the Bible to symbolize ourselves as a collective with agreed upon moral standards.
Same with our political ideology, the cross is more of a flag than an actual belief in the supernatural and associated historical claims.
Think of Christianity like Greek mythology, a mythological basis that helps define you as a people, not a set of literal beliefs that you have.
There may be some rules or politics in the mythology and they may or may not line up with the rules and politics of the community built around around mythology, and we may claim that the latter is inspired by the former, even if it isn't actually the case, but that's because you miss what is actually being meant when we say this.
The ideas come from our community, which identifies with the mythology, which serves as a symbol of our culture as a community. We may or may not literally believe in the mythology and may or may not think we follow the opinions of the mythology authorship, but we recognize that this mythology gives us a legacy to connect to, and a community that was borne from that legacy.
If you've thrown away the book, the jew and the god, why keep the name?
And the problem with that theory is that however much christian nations may make the religion their own, the book will always stick around and preach globalism to their children.
White people have been Christian for a long time, i remember going to mass, the beauty and spectacle of it, all the history and wonder of what our people had achieved as Christians, you has to be there.
And we got to gather together around the church with families and friends, the priest was a fun leader for our community (we all knew he was a self hating fag in denial, but didn't care).
It was a center for our community, and was we could all synchronize our minds together, holding each other to a high moral standard, not just coordinating activities we all participated in as a community.
The local catholic church was a very positive influence on me.
No one really cares what what Bible says or does not say, the Bible says nothing about molesting little girls, and in fact hives instructions for buying and selling girls as wives, but the Christian community is very solidly anti pedophilia, and many of the insiders who blew the whistle on pizzagate, especially as it pertains to Hollywood, were motivated to do so by religious experiences as Christians, and the effect ot has on their consciences.
The Bible is the least important thing in Christianity, it's not something a lot of people would admit, but the faith is more about the fellow believer than about its founder in Jesus Christ, who's really not all that important, even when he is, it's more the believers mental image of what he is and represents than the reality according to history/archeology or the scriptural accounts.
We had community centers and leaders before christianity though, and they didn't tend to be self hating fags.
The bible is an achilles heel to christians, it spreads a message of peace and forgiveness even when beign overrun. And however much you say people ignore it, enough adhere to it to be a problem.
I get that you want a community glued together by their religion but when that religion is a backdoor for your enemies you need to rethink things a bit.
Bunch of niggers in here that don’t understand the faith. It’s not a back door, people are just cucks and stupid. When it says help your neighbor, your most immediate neighbor is your wife followed by the rest of your family. Your duty is to them first. 1 Timothy even says this. People read the Bible, and because they’re fucking stupid and want to be cucked, go and decide to import the third world. This is wrong. By their fruits shall you know them and I have seen their fruits; they are bereft of the Spirit. The Lord shall spew them from his mouth according to Revelation.
When it says help your neighbor, your most immediate neighbor is your wife followed by the rest of your family.
That's very much not what it says. The example given is a samaritan (ie. a member of an enemy tribe) choosing to help his traditional enemy even when the enemy's own kin weren't helping. This point is underscored later when Jesus says "your neighbour is whoever needs you most." The new testament is full of callings to treat all of humanity like one giant family, which is a nice idea in kindergarten but in the real world it's suicidal.
People read the Bible, and because they’re fucking stupid and want to be cucked, go and decide to import the third world.
If it was just one or two people I might agree, but that kind of thinking is dominant in christianity.
which is a nice idea in kindergarten but in the real world it's suicidal.
Jesus led by example and won in the end. The OT also has numerous examples where God's work exceeded mans'. Elijah never lifted a finger against a man but God killed his enemies repeatedly. Joshua merely obeyed God to win Jericho. He disobeyed later and raided when he should have killed and it didn't go well. Victory is only yours in obedience to God, who does the winning. The OT book of Habakkuk addresses this directly.
You are 100% right in your assessment of the Bible and of Christians.
Even your enemies who follow satan were created by God. They are his to destroy, not yours.
If you believe that sacrificing your nation is going to result in some kind of deus ex machina "actually this is winning." then go for it I guess. Personally I think it's just going to result in your nation disappearing from history.
The OT also has numerous examples where God's work exceeded mans'. Elijah never lifted a finger against a man but God killed his enemies repeatedly. Joshua merely obeyed God to win Jericho. He disobeyed later and raided when he should have killed and it didn't go well. Victory is only yours in obedience to God, who does the winning. The OT book of Habakkuk addresses this directly.
The entire old testament is a giant excuse for jewish treachery. Anything they do is retroactively justified because chosen people. Anything bad that happens to their victims is retroactively declared to be the will of their god.
Back in the real world if gods worked that way we wouldn't be in this mess. We live in a world where gods give us strength, but we're expected to use it for ourselves, not sit back and let them do the heavy lifting.
Anyhow, the argument defeats itself: If we live in a perfectly deterministic timeline where a god makes all decisions then I can do no harm by fighting for my people's future. If we don't then there's still every reason to fight.
Even your enemies who follow satan were created by God. They are his to destroy, not yours.
The samaritan example should be underscored by not casting pearls before swine. If stupidity precludes you from figuring out who the swine is, then you deserve to get invaded and conquered. You can't just read this stuff and not think about it.
This kind of thinking is EVEN MORE DOMINANT among secular whites. The faggot open border types have no faith apart of marxism and feminism. The problem isn't the faith, which doesn't support cuckery, it's the white race's overwhelming altruism that gets exploited by the heebs.
When the history of christianity is examined it has always favoured spreading the meme over preserving it's host nation. Nations are expendable tools to christianity, the only non-expendable goal is world conquest. "Faggot open borders" is the core of the religion just as much as it is with marxism.
No. You preserve the host nation and you spread the faith. Leave it dude; the pagans were conquered, probably because they were too busy flipping through their rolodex to figure out which non-existent god they should pray to while being put to the sword.
No. You preserve the host nation and you spread the faith.
Those goals are inevitably going to come into conflict. When they do christians will always choose spreading the faith. They will open the doors to the invaders if they have to.
Leave it dude; the pagans were conquered, probably because they were too busy flipping through their rolodex to figure out which non-existent god they should pray to while being put to the sword.
The christians have been conquered too, or have you not been paying attention?
Most people don't read the Bible, they don't crack it open and go from page one genesis to the last page of revelations.
People may try, buy for various reasons, they usually never get halfway into it before giving up.
The reasons differ from person to person, boredom (especially the genealogies which contain the names of people who were likely big deals, names of great renown and importance at the time and place where the genealogies were written, but have since become nobodies, their names losing all significance or recognition long ago to the fog of history).
confusion (it's easy to get lost when there are multiple versions of the same events, where the same characters are different in characterization, you got to keep in mind that the book is a bunch of different stories from different people living in different times and places, with different beliefs, and may even have been at war with one another over them, who were writing the stories told long after they may or may not have happened through a telephone game of oral traditions, chosen to have their most popular stories included on the basis of how influential their set of beleivers were at the time of the compilation of the book, like an album of the greatest hits from the biggest name artists in a given musical genre, it's not self consistent because it was never meant to be, it was meant to gather all the most well known accounts from the most powerful denominations of Christianity, and collage them all together with the best efforts they had at the time to ensure some passing level of consistency without pissing anyone off too much, the nature of how it was designed makes it difficult to follow, also most of the stories in the book of, say, Peter, were written not by Peter, but by authors from various Christian sects who wrote down their people's oral accounts that they attributed to Peter when they passed them down from one generation to another).
Offense (with all sorts of different kinds of Christianity contributing to the creation of the Bible, there has got to be something I'm there that offends your sensibilities, the contributors likely offended the sensibilities of each other while compiling the thing, its all chock full of compromises, and nothing is sure to displease everyone than a compromise (take that Hagel!), so it's no surprise that this is is common occurrence in Bible readers, understand when you encounter something you don't like, that something you do like might be coming right up, it might even be a contradiction of the thing you disliked, and if you don't find that, fret not, you can either ignore it, or reinterpret it to mean something you would prefer it had said, problem solved, it's what the Christians had been doing for most of their time even before the compilation of the Bible, and don't forget those lost bits that may or may not be canon depending on what the pope was told to say about it by his cardinals).
You could also just find that ot doesn't seem like something that was divinely inspired when you read it, more like the tales of Aesop or Grimm, or like the myths of dead religions like that of Celtic, Greek, Sumerian, or Egyptian polytheists, or maybe you just don't feel the same spark as you do when surrounded by fellow believers like during Bible study or worship (Sunday mass is actually quite fun).
Or you could just be some Mongo who don't read so good.
Like I said, even people who want to read the Bible usually don't read the Bible.
But that's okay, it was to intended to be read like a book, there there reason I has all the quotes easily findable with handy numbers for the convenience of just cracking it open, skimming some pages, and being able to put your finger on the exact part you want to recite.
People read specific quotes from the Bible, they look for what ever most seems like it aligns with their thinking, then they share the quote outside of its context to lend authority to whatever it is they believed in the first place.
Quote filled arguments like these ones are the best example of this, each just takes the parts that best characterizes the version of Christianity that the one reciting the quote wants to bring to attention, and the other dies the same right back, for their preferred vision of Christianity, believe it or not, this is likely how the Bible was meant to be used.
That is why it's so easy to find the quotes you want thanks to those handy numbers, and why most people who make biblical arguments take just one or two quotes, and use them to punctuate a long script of their own opinions about what they think and why they think God would agree with them about it.
Most times when Christians gather, they don't refer to the Bible for everuthing they do, they refer to each others conceptions of Christ and what it means to be his servant.
I'm gonna summarize it here, tldr, the Bible doesn't make Christianity, nor does the church, a lot of people I know reject pope Francis and the whole Vatican right now, they are not, in their hearts, the true representation of the church and our lord.
What makes Christianity what determibed what Christianity is, is the Christians who make uo the bulk of it, it is your fellow believers and their communities that determine what Christianity is, christian events are about interacting with other Christians and the groups general consensus of their faith as they understand it, and what it means to them.
I think this is true of all religions and political ideologies, that they are the product of the collective mind of their adherents and the communities they create with each other, it's been said that Islam would be different if it was practiced by whites instead of by arabs, and that it is the nature of Arab minds, and not of the Koran or its prophet, that Islam is as barbaric as it is known to be.
Indonesia is a good example of how changing the believers alters the shape the religion takes.
When I say praise Jesus, I mean to praise the guy as I envision him, not as he really was, if he really was at all.
It's not about the symbols and what they mean, or the words and what they say, but what they mean and say to me. It's hard to describe for me.
There's nothing wrong with a little magic, if it does no harm, and does some good for me and those I love, it's something precious.
Sorry for the long post, I'm trying to convey both how lucid I am about everything, and also why I yet hold onto it as something precious to me and the world.
My argument isn't founded solely on a specific quote, it's founded on the general messages the new testament pushes, combined with the semetic supremacy of the old testament and the real world geopolitics of christian expansionism.
Overall it has been an incredibly toxic mix to any nation that's had the misfortune to swallow it, and anything positive that's been attributed to it largely existed before it's introduction, or existed parallel to it.
I appreciate it means a lot to you and if it helps make your world a little more magical and communal then I absolutely understand why you hang onto it. I just find that when I stripped away the propaganda I'd been fed and looked at it's past in the raw, it didn't have a lot to recommend itself.
You're smarter than this. Use your brain. Stop regurgitating shit to support your stance and look at it objectively for once in your life. If an intelligent white man can't figure this bullshit is a kike scam, I guess they really are superior. Are you an altruistic white man or do you need a book written by kikes to tell you how to live.
No kikes wrote any of the Bible books. Revelation 2:9 “I know your works, tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich); and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan."
Jesus made it clear that we're dealing with pure malevolence that calls itself Jewish. Identify your enemy correctly and fight that enemy instead of arguing for an underdeveloped set of deities that the White Race had to disabuse itself of before it could rise up and subjugate the world.
Religion allows me to express myself through it as a medium.
It dies the same for my community members, it's actually our words and thoughts being expressed, but religion allows us to do this in a way that's far more powerful and unifying than it would otherwise be.
Christianity represents us, it shows who we are to each other and to outsiders, that we are many, together.
It also brings us together, the activities and gatherings are not only social, but they are also a representation of our culture and identity, meaning us, not some character in a book or an old guy in Italy, including all it stands for, such as our moral values as a community.
We don't really pray to saints, but to what concepts and lessons they represent to us.
It's hard to put into words in a way that feels good to so eone who doesn't doesn't understand.
You need to attend our events and feel what we call the presence of the holy spirit to really get it, it can't be put into words, i think that's why they shut down our events, to kill that feeling of being divinely inspirited, and a part something old and important that has shaped history and civilization in a big way for a long time.
Halloween is coming up, there's no real reason why we do it, we don't believe in the catholic idea of the spirit of saints or the Celtic polytheistic idea of the crossroads with the world of the dead or of monsters, we do it because of other reasons.
It's a means of communication and symbolization, it's a means of socializing and community unity, it's a means of recreation and entertainment, its a lot of things.
No one cares if we are practicing Halloween in the original way it was intended to be observed, because we do it in the way that is representitive of us and what it means to us as a people. It's a part of our identity, the whole mythology and history is just a prop, even the (fun) activities are only intended to serve as a bit of magic to excuse the real reasons we do it.
Life is not just about existing, but about living, too.
We may have borrowed Christianity from the jews, sure, long ago, and it may have originally been theirs, back then, ok, that's likely true.
But it is OURS now, we took it and made it our own, we OWN it now, and we changed it a LOT since then, its only become more representative of US as time has gone by, and a LOT of time has passed since then.
Who the fuck cares what it used to be, where (or who) it came from, or how it was intended to be.
What it is, is what it is now, I really love it, do not take this from me.
I will call you a communist or a jew or a shill or whatever it takes to protect this.
White people should be Christian because they should be, it's who we have been for a long time and it is now a part of who we are, ridding ourselves ourselves our faith is like cutting off some prominent part of our bodies, sure, we are still mostly ourselves, but have lost some key defining aspect of who we used to be.
That's pretty much the argument niggers use for calling each other nigga. IT WAS WYPEPO WORD ITS OURS NOW!
Call me whatever you want, Rabbi
White people should be Christian because they should be, it's who we have been for a long time and it is now a part of who we are
Against the backdrop of the history of Whites Christianity is a short fad. You call for us to latch on to jewish shackles for protection against the jews.
Cyrus is probably the first example of europeans making the mistake of trusting the rabbis. It benefitted him in the short term, but eventually they corrupted and sold out the persians too.
The greeks in general were surprisingly expansionist. They even ended up in afghanistan at one point, they were just less likely to create empires, and when they did they didn't last long.
[ + ] Paradoxical003
[ - ] Paradoxical003 -1 points 3.6 yearsOct 11, 2021 18:13:58 ago (+2/-3)*
The Bible and history has nothing to do with Christianity, Christianity is and always was the product of Christians, not the Bible, not Jesus Christ, and not his God either, but the Bible, Christ, and God that lives in the hearts and minds of Christians, their communities, their beliefs and opinions, their rules and laws, their traditions and practices, their achievements and their culture.
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It was never about what it is, but what we think it is, never about what it says, but what we think it says, the Christians create their own Christianity, the Bible is a prop that is occasionally referred to, but by no means is it the basis of the religion, more a symbol of it, the real lord and savior lives not on the pages, but in the minds of our collective, not as the book says they are/were, but as we think they should be/have been.
Reality, politics, culture, and religion are non overlapping magisteria, one pair is concerned with what is and what should be done about it, the other pair is concerned with who we are and the mythology that gives us the expression of our identity, and which allows us to come together as a group based around commonalities that tie into this mythological identification.
Our morals don't come from the Bible, they come from ourselves, but we use the Bible to symbolize ourselves as a collective with agreed upon moral standards.
Same with our political ideology, the cross is more of a flag than an actual belief in the supernatural and associated historical claims.
Think of Christianity like Greek mythology, a mythological basis that helps define you as a people, not a set of literal beliefs that you have.
There may be some rules or politics in the mythology and they may or may not line up with the rules and politics of the community built around around mythology, and we may claim that the latter is inspired by the former, even if it isn't actually the case, but that's because you miss what is actually being meant when we say this.
The ideas come from our community, which identifies with the mythology, which serves as a symbol of our culture as a community. We may or may not literally believe in the mythology and may or may not think we follow the opinions of the mythology authorship, but we recognize that this mythology gives us a legacy to connect to, and a community that was borne from that legacy.
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[ - ] Broc_Liath 4 points 3.6 yearsOct 11, 2021 19:34:59 ago (+4/-0)
And the problem with that theory is that however much christian nations may make the religion their own, the book will always stick around and preach globalism to their children.
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[ - ] Paradoxical003 0 points 3.6 yearsOct 11, 2021 19:46:55 ago (+1/-1)
And we got to gather together around the church with families and friends, the priest was a fun leader for our community (we all knew he was a self hating fag in denial, but didn't care).
It was a center for our community, and was we could all synchronize our minds together, holding each other to a high moral standard, not just coordinating activities we all participated in as a community.
The local catholic church was a very positive influence on me.
No one really cares what what Bible says or does not say, the Bible says nothing about molesting little girls, and in fact hives instructions for buying and selling girls as wives, but the Christian community is very solidly anti pedophilia, and many of the insiders who blew the whistle on pizzagate, especially as it pertains to Hollywood, were motivated to do so by religious experiences as Christians, and the effect ot has on their consciences.
The Bible is the least important thing in Christianity, it's not something a lot of people would admit, but the faith is more about the fellow believer than about its founder in Jesus Christ, who's really not all that important, even when he is, it's more the believers mental image of what he is and represents than the reality according to history/archeology or the scriptural accounts.
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[ - ] Broc_Liath 5 points 3.6 yearsOct 11, 2021 20:19:48 ago (+5/-0)
The bible is an achilles heel to christians, it spreads a message of peace and forgiveness even when beign overrun. And however much you say people ignore it, enough adhere to it to be a problem.
I get that you want a community glued together by their religion but when that religion is a backdoor for your enemies you need to rethink things a bit.
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[ - ] back_of_the_oven -1 points 3.6 yearsOct 11, 2021 22:48:32 ago (+0/-1)
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[ - ] Broc_Liath 1 point 3.6 yearsOct 11, 2021 23:04:50 ago (+1/-0)
That's very much not what it says. The example given is a samaritan (ie. a member of an enemy tribe) choosing to help his traditional enemy even when the enemy's own kin weren't helping. This point is underscored later when Jesus says "your neighbour is whoever needs you most." The new testament is full of callings to treat all of humanity like one giant family, which is a nice idea in kindergarten but in the real world it's suicidal.
If it was just one or two people I might agree, but that kind of thinking is dominant in christianity.
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[ - ] Teefinyomouf 0 points 3.6 yearsOct 12, 2021 11:55:52 ago (+0/-0)
Jesus led by example and won in the end. The OT also has numerous examples where God's work exceeded mans'. Elijah never lifted a finger against a man but God killed his enemies repeatedly. Joshua merely obeyed God to win Jericho. He disobeyed later and raided when he should have killed and it didn't go well. Victory is only yours in obedience to God, who does the winning. The OT book of Habakkuk addresses this directly.
You are 100% right in your assessment of the Bible and of Christians.
Even your enemies who follow satan were created by God. They are his to destroy, not yours.
[ + ] Broc_Liath
[ - ] Broc_Liath 0 points 3.6 yearsOct 13, 2021 15:21:29 ago (+0/-0)
If you believe that sacrificing your nation is going to result in some kind of deus ex machina "actually this is winning." then go for it I guess. Personally I think it's just going to result in your nation disappearing from history.
The entire old testament is a giant excuse for jewish treachery. Anything they do is retroactively justified because chosen people. Anything bad that happens to their victims is retroactively declared to be the will of their god.
Back in the real world if gods worked that way we wouldn't be in this mess. We live in a world where gods give us strength, but we're expected to use it for ourselves, not sit back and let them do the heavy lifting.
Anyhow, the argument defeats itself: If we live in a perfectly deterministic timeline where a god makes all decisions then I can do no harm by fighting for my people's future. If we don't then there's still every reason to fight.
Follow the plan wwg1wga
[ + ] back_of_the_oven
[ - ] back_of_the_oven 0 points 3.6 yearsOct 12, 2021 13:09:41 ago (+0/-0)
This kind of thinking is EVEN MORE DOMINANT among secular whites. The faggot open border types have no faith apart of marxism and feminism. The problem isn't the faith, which doesn't support cuckery, it's the white race's overwhelming altruism that gets exploited by the heebs.
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[ + ] Broc_Liath
[ - ] Broc_Liath 0 points 3.6 yearsOct 19, 2021 08:58:44 ago (+0/-0)
Those goals are inevitably going to come into conflict. When they do christians will always choose spreading the faith. They will open the doors to the invaders if they have to.
The christians have been conquered too, or have you not been paying attention?
[ + ] Paradoxical003
[ - ] Paradoxical003 0 points 3.6 yearsOct 12, 2021 13:27:11 ago (+0/-0)
People may try, buy for various reasons, they usually never get halfway into it before giving up.
The reasons differ from person to person, boredom (especially the genealogies which contain the names of people who were likely big deals, names of great renown and importance at the time and place where the genealogies were written, but have since become nobodies, their names losing all significance or recognition long ago to the fog of history).
confusion (it's easy to get lost when there are multiple versions of the same events, where the same characters are different in characterization, you got to keep in mind that the book is a bunch of different stories from different people living in different times and places, with different beliefs, and may even have been at war with one another over them, who were writing the stories told long after they may or may not have happened through a telephone game of oral traditions, chosen to have their most popular stories included on the basis of how influential their set of beleivers were at the time of the compilation of the book, like an album of the greatest hits from the biggest name artists in a given musical genre, it's not self consistent because it was never meant to be, it was meant to gather all the most well known accounts from the most powerful denominations of Christianity, and collage them all together with the best efforts they had at the time to ensure some passing level of consistency without pissing anyone off too much, the nature of how it was designed makes it difficult to follow, also most of the stories in the book of, say, Peter, were written not by Peter, but by authors from various Christian sects who wrote down their people's oral accounts that they attributed to Peter when they passed them down from one generation to another).
Offense (with all sorts of different kinds of Christianity contributing to the creation of the Bible, there has got to be something I'm there that offends your sensibilities, the contributors likely offended the sensibilities of each other while compiling the thing, its all chock full of compromises, and nothing is sure to displease everyone than a compromise (take that Hagel!), so it's no surprise that this is is common occurrence in Bible readers, understand when you encounter something you don't like, that something you do like might be coming right up, it might even be a contradiction of the thing you disliked, and if you don't find that, fret not, you can either ignore it, or reinterpret it to mean something you would prefer it had said, problem solved, it's what the Christians had been doing for most of their time even before the compilation of the Bible, and don't forget those lost bits that may or may not be canon depending on what the pope was told to say about it by his cardinals).
You could also just find that ot doesn't seem like something that was divinely inspired when you read it, more like the tales of Aesop or Grimm, or like the myths of dead religions like that of Celtic, Greek, Sumerian, or Egyptian polytheists, or maybe you just don't feel the same spark as you do when surrounded by fellow believers like during Bible study or worship (Sunday mass is actually quite fun).
Or you could just be some Mongo who don't read so good.
Like I said, even people who want to read the Bible usually don't read the Bible.
But that's okay, it was to intended to be read like a book, there there reason I has all the quotes easily findable with handy numbers for the convenience of just cracking it open, skimming some pages, and being able to put your finger on the exact part you want to recite.
People read specific quotes from the Bible, they look for what ever most seems like it aligns with their thinking, then they share the quote outside of its context to lend authority to whatever it is they believed in the first place.
Quote filled arguments like these ones are the best example of this, each just takes the parts that best characterizes the version of Christianity that the one reciting the quote wants to bring to attention, and the other dies the same right back, for their preferred vision of Christianity, believe it or not, this is likely how the Bible was meant to be used.
That is why it's so easy to find the quotes you want thanks to those handy numbers, and why most people who make biblical arguments take just one or two quotes, and use them to punctuate a long script of their own opinions about what they think and why they think God would agree with them about it.
Most times when Christians gather, they don't refer to the Bible for everuthing they do, they refer to each others conceptions of Christ and what it means to be his servant.
I'm gonna summarize it here, tldr, the Bible doesn't make Christianity, nor does the church, a lot of people I know reject pope Francis and the whole Vatican right now, they are not, in their hearts, the true representation of the church and our lord.
What makes Christianity what determibed what Christianity is, is the Christians who make uo the bulk of it, it is your fellow believers and their communities that determine what Christianity is, christian events are about interacting with other Christians and the groups general consensus of their faith as they understand it, and what it means to them.
I think this is true of all religions and political ideologies, that they are the product of the collective mind of their adherents and the communities they create with each other, it's been said that Islam would be different if it was practiced by whites instead of by arabs, and that it is the nature of Arab minds, and not of the Koran or its prophet, that Islam is as barbaric as it is known to be.
Indonesia is a good example of how changing the believers alters the shape the religion takes.
When I say praise Jesus, I mean to praise the guy as I envision him, not as he really was, if he really was at all.
It's not about the symbols and what they mean, or the words and what they say, but what they mean and say to me. It's hard to describe for me.
There's nothing wrong with a little magic, if it does no harm, and does some good for me and those I love, it's something precious.
Sorry for the long post, I'm trying to convey both how lucid I am about everything, and also why I yet hold onto it as something precious to me and the world.
[ + ] Broc_Liath
[ - ] Broc_Liath 0 points 3.6 yearsOct 14, 2021 00:15:48 ago (+0/-0)
Overall it has been an incredibly toxic mix to any nation that's had the misfortune to swallow it, and anything positive that's been attributed to it largely existed before it's introduction, or existed parallel to it.
I appreciate it means a lot to you and if it helps make your world a little more magical and communal then I absolutely understand why you hang onto it. I just find that when I stripped away the propaganda I'd been fed and looked at it's past in the raw, it didn't have a lot to recommend itself.
[ + ] Spaceman84
[ - ] Spaceman84 0 points 3.6 yearsOct 12, 2021 02:06:08 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] back_of_the_oven
[ - ] back_of_the_oven 0 points 3.6 yearsOct 12, 2021 13:13:16 ago (+0/-0)
Jesus made it clear that we're dealing with pure malevolence that calls itself Jewish. Identify your enemy correctly and fight that enemy instead of arguing for an underdeveloped set of deities that the White Race had to disabuse itself of before it could rise up and subjugate the world.
[ + ] Garrett
[ - ] Garrett 0 points 3.6 yearsOct 12, 2021 22:10:50 ago (+0/-0)
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[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 3.6 yearsOct 12, 2021 08:10:17 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Paradoxical003
[ - ] Paradoxical003 0 points 3.6 yearsOct 12, 2021 13:42:47 ago (+0/-0)
It dies the same for my community members, it's actually our words and thoughts being expressed, but religion allows us to do this in a way that's far more powerful and unifying than it would otherwise be.
Christianity represents us, it shows who we are to each other and to outsiders, that we are many, together.
It also brings us together, the activities and gatherings are not only social, but they are also a representation of our culture and identity, meaning us, not some character in a book or an old guy in Italy, including all it stands for, such as our moral values as a community.
We don't really pray to saints, but to what concepts and lessons they represent to us.
It's hard to put into words in a way that feels good to so eone who doesn't doesn't understand.
You need to attend our events and feel what we call the presence of the holy spirit to really get it, it can't be put into words, i think that's why they shut down our events, to kill that feeling of being divinely inspirited, and a part something old and important that has shaped history and civilization in a big way for a long time.
Halloween is coming up, there's no real reason why we do it, we don't believe in the catholic idea of the spirit of saints or the Celtic polytheistic idea of the crossroads with the world of the dead or of monsters, we do it because of other reasons.
It's a means of communication and symbolization, it's a means of socializing and community unity, it's a means of recreation and entertainment, its a lot of things.
No one cares if we are practicing Halloween in the original way it was intended to be observed, because we do it in the way that is representitive of us and what it means to us as a people. It's a part of our identity, the whole mythology and history is just a prop, even the (fun) activities are only intended to serve as a bit of magic to excuse the real reasons we do it.
Life is not just about existing, but about living, too.
[ + ] Paradoxical003
[ - ] Paradoxical003 0 points 3.6 yearsOct 12, 2021 13:49:58 ago (+0/-0)
But it is OURS now, we took it and made it our own, we OWN it now, and we changed it a LOT since then, its only become more representative of US as time has gone by, and a LOT of time has passed since then.
Who the fuck cares what it used to be, where (or who) it came from, or how it was intended to be.
What it is, is what it is now, I really love it, do not take this from me.
I will call you a communist or a jew or a shill or whatever it takes to protect this.
White people should be Christian because they should be, it's who we have been for a long time and it is now a part of who we are, ridding ourselves ourselves our faith is like cutting off some prominent part of our bodies, sure, we are still mostly ourselves, but have lost some key defining aspect of who we used to be.
[ + ] Kozel
[ - ] Kozel 0 points 3.6 yearsOct 12, 2021 15:53:46 ago (+0/-0)
Call me whatever you want, Rabbi
Against the backdrop of the history of Whites Christianity is a short fad. You call for us to latch on to jewish shackles for protection against the jews.
[ + ] Broc_Liath
[ - ] Broc_Liath 6 points 3.6 yearsOct 11, 2021 19:36:10 ago (+6/-0)
[ + ] Garrett
[ - ] Garrett 1 point 3.6 yearsOct 11, 2021 19:39:35 ago (+1/-0)
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[ + ] Garrett
[ - ] Garrett 1 point 3.6 yearsOct 18, 2021 19:41:18 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Broc_Liath
[ - ] Broc_Liath 0 points 3.6 yearsOct 19, 2021 07:44:32 ago (+0/-0)