Wrong, bro. I, a doubled-vaxxed (AZ) worry about you and the health care system. I want you to be healthy and live a productive life and I don't want you needlessly occupying a hospital bed which could be used by a shark attack victim.
The healthcare system created this virus Paul. The NIH and other governments’ health agencies carried out gain of function research which resulted in this virus. Australian virologists are also implicated. All at taxpayer expense. We paid them to murder us.
The healthcare establishment has actively prevented docs from treating patients early with cheap antivirals. It has actively recommended dangerous interventions inappropriately within the epidemiological context. For $$$$ for themselves and their buddies in Wall street.
The healthcare system has created an epidemiological hunger games scenario for average person. It is now an obstacle to good health. I have had to research and obtain drugs for my family to prevent/treat this disease. I have to become an amateur doctor because my healthcare system is now politicized and cares only for money and legally covering its ass and would just as soon euthanize my elderly family members as save them. The healthcare system needs to die to save medicine. It is irrational and corrupt.
The government healthcare system pushed late term abortion so it could obtain cheap body parts which it uses for research like the gain of function experiments that created SARS Cov 2. Dead baby parts were grafted in to lab animals to help create new corona viruses which would infect human cells. That was how covid was made by the government medical establishment. Cool.
The corrupt government/wall street/MSM complex is now trying to agitate the peasants to attack each other for totally irrational shit. To wit, you trying to blame an unvaxxed Uber driver for this shit show, when government health regulatory agencies MADE THIS VIRUS. When it is actually a heavily vaxxed population that caused Delta variant, a more infectious and lethal strain to spread. The bodies of vaccinated people TAUGHT SARS CoV 2 to be more infectious, not the unvaxxed. That is indisputable.
Healthcare system can’t even make useful NON-CONTROVERSIAL recommendations to treat this disease like: take high dose vitamins C, D and zinc! Take baby aspirin. Take an antioxidant to prevent inflamation. They have blown their wad on propagit for their “Get those dirty antivaxxers” campaign. They can’t even recommend the right masks. They enforce people wearing these useless surgical masks in places like the park! Is that science?
They have abandon their mission. The very idea that an Uber driver is in any way responsible for this shitshow is absurd.
You can’t support this propagit on a scientific basis Paul
Paul pisses me off these days. He's trolling but Australia, especially Victoria, is in a such dangerous downward spiral that everything he posts makes me livid.
He’s programmed in a government religion and he thinks he is choosing the scientifically supportable option because he is taught to worship government promoted scientific institutions without actually bothering to verify their explanations.
He thinks the way he does because people have repeated untruths and false narratives to him over and over his entire life. That process can be reverse to an extent by presenting the truth again and again. An uber driver is not causing this problem. That is fucking absurd. The leaky vax does not reduce transmission and it probably is increasing it.
Uber driver is unvaccinated .... Uber driver is spreading covid.
That’s a non sequitur. The uber driver is not spreading covid because he is unvaxxed. We know that. Even Paul probably knows that.
Ivermectin is far safer than the vaccine. Proven safety over 50 years.
Ivermectin is proven highly effective at mitigating severe disease if given early in symptomatic phase.
Ivermectin implements virostatic activity that will not promote resistant variants.
Ivermectin is cheap, unlike all the government sanctioned covid treatments such as the vaccines, which have failed to perform as promised.
Why was this person not given cheap safe antiviral interventions on day one by tictok dancers? I think I know. $$$$$
Its not funny to spike the football when people are killed by the virus made by “government experts”. Government funded research created this virus. Government sanctioned vaccine, which is the most deadly vaccine of all time, has killed many gullible people in low covid risk demographics who’s vaccination was of no benefit to anyone. That’s not funny either.
Ive got the facts Paul, anytime you want to have a factual argument and stop mocking people murdered by a government made virus.
Remember, the vaccinated have HIGHER viral loads with no symptoms. They are the superspreaders. A study in San Franscisco several months ago when older strains still existed showed that unvaxxed were infected with older less infectious strains. Vaccinated people were infected with the delta strain. Vaccinated people cause the spread of the more infectious strains. That is easy to understand if you accept that evolution is REAL and this is a phenomenon similar to the Marek’s disease vaccine example which ony succeeded in making Marek’s disease WORSE.
Bring a logical science based argument if you are so confident about the infallibility of the big pharma vaxes. Can you articulate why you think my assertions are untrue without resorting to politics or scientism?
"Why was this person not given cheap safe antiviral interventions on day one by tictok dancers?"
Putting aside the fact, yes fact, that Ivermectin is currently not approved by the world's medico-scientific community for covid treatment, you/we can't assume that the gentleman in question would have taken it.
So the situation we are left with is that the gentleman appears to have taken neither Ivermectin or a tradvax and now is paying the price. So...the very clear message to TLOL's anti vax brigade is...get vaxxed with a traditional vaccination or Ivermectin etc if you think it works but get vaxxed with something or you're likely to get very ill if you catch the covid.Agree?
Japan and many other countries have approved IVM as part of standard care. But it really doesn’t matter because government isn’t magic Paul. Government cachet is not a part of scientific method. The Federal Corporation of the United States of America and its subsidiaries like the Australian government are self serving corporations. Just because they say they are for the people doesn’t mean they are. Government bureaucracies will always try to grab more power and make the people their slaves. Evolution predicts this.
you/we can't assume that the gentleman in question would have taken it.
We cannot assume this guy would even be sick since the mass vaccination programs cause the super infectious Delta strain to arise.
We can assume that if a doctor who was not coerced by the establishment to push certain interventions over others on a purely political and for profit basis and not at all on a scientifically sound one was able to make recommendations to this man and millions of others, there would be a lot less dead people now.
I mean why the fuck hasn’t the WHO and most western countries approved the sputnik vax or the sinovax? Because they might kill people? Clearly they don’t care how many people die of vaccines. They are not even counting it.
Its only money$$$$$$. Chaching. When are you gonna get it. Treatmenst are deemed scientifically sound or mandatory if they will increase the money and power of the people in charge. This is not a scientific process my friend. They are raping science.
It is a basic right of humans to refuse this or any body altering intervention for any reason. As many have pointed out, this is gene therapy. This sets a precedent for the goverment to mandate any gene therapy in perpetuity, without any scientific basis. Do you understand the ramifications of giving the government power to force gene therapy on citizens? Do you understand what can be done with gene therapy?
As I have pointed out over and over, there is no evidence that mass vaccination with a leaky vax is helping to end the epidemic. That assertion is unsupportable. In fact it is prolonging it by preventing herd immunity in younger individuals and encouraging more virulent strains. Evolution is in control now of this man made virus. The vaccine brigade is anti-evolution because it is in denial of what mass vaccination is doing to the epidemic and seems to be in denial of the fact that the VACCINATED ARE SPREADING THE VIRUS at least as much as the unvaccinated.
Why are the vax fanatics so bent on demonizing rando unvaxxed dudes like this uber driver when we know that vaccinated people are spreading the disease, that they are more likely to be asymptomatic spreaders and they are more likely to spread mutations with higher infectivity and virulence?
the very clear message to TLOL's anti vax brigade is...get vaxxed with a traditional vaccination or Ivermectin etc if you think it works but get vaxxed with something or you're likely to get very ill if you catch the covid.Agree?
Every individual needs to make a risk benefit analysis with good quality information to decide what intervention if any will minimize his own risk and his community’s. Its unacceptible for the government/big pharma cabal to insist they know whats best for me without giving me ALL of the relevant data they have. They are not collecting vaccine adverse event or mortality data or they are hiding it. Unacceptable. We don’t even know what is in these vaccines because some of the ingredients are proprietary. There is almost certainly graphene oxide in the mRNA vaccines. Where are the studies on mutagenicity/carcinogenicty? They aren’t doing them. If you don’t understand how heavily viral antigens are implicated in cancers and neurodegenerative disease, you aren’t keeping up with the science.
Your only argument seems to be that I should trust my slave masters. I don’t. Scientific institutions have been corrupted by government and corporate money. The research and reporting systems are being gamed. Research is being gamed. Can you hear me yet?
"Your only argument seems to be that I should trust my slave masters. I don’t.".
No. I'm saying the preponderance of medico-scientific opinion is that the proper treatment for the Covid is the tradvaccines. You disagree with that weight of opinion.
"The Federal Corporation of the United States of America and its subsidiaries like the Australian government are self serving corporations.".
You're acting like a sovereign citizen and denying the fact of elected Government. The fact is our Societies are governed by an elected Government and Government calls the shots. If we don't like a Government we unelect it. That is the name of the game, New Jersey Woman, and the rules. You don't want to acknowledge the game or the rules. You want Government to do what you want.Sorry...it doesn't work like that. Government is currently doing what, it would seem, given the high compliance level with Government edicts, the majority of the public wants which is the opposite to what you want. It's all about majority rule, kid, and you and your antivax mates are on the outside. You don't like it then...throw the Government out of office at the next election.
"Why was this person not given cheap safe antiviral interventions on day one by tictok dancers?"
The Government couldn't make Ivermectin available to this dude even if he was prepared to take it because it would be opening itself up to a massive lawsuit if something went wrong because [and this is the key bit New Jersey woman that you close your mind to] the Government's medical/scientific advice is that Ivermectin is currently not considered a suitable Covid treatment. So with the dude in question, if he was hanging out for Ivermectin he was being silly because the Government can't make it available to him - that's how the game is played - and if he wasn't, he was still being silly for not taking a tradvax which is approved by the medical/scientific establishment with the result...he got very ill and that's what can happen if you don't get tradvaxxed!
Thanks bro. How's the compost going. You yanks pronounce it like: "com [post]" as in a wooden post whereas us cultured countries pronounce [com]"post" as in "posse".
"So the situation we are left with is that the gentleman appears to have taken neither Ivermectin or a tradvax and now is paying the price. So...the very clear message to TLOL's anti vax brigade is...get vaxxed with a traditional vaccination or Ivermectin etc if you think it works but get vaxxed with something or you're likely to get very ill if you catch the covid.Agree?"
94% of people who died of CoViD were already suffering from other diseases, with an average of 2.6 comorbidities, as reported by CDC in USA: "Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death." (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm?fbclid=IwAR3-wrg3tTKK5-9tOHPGAHWFVO3DfslkJ0KsDEPQpWmPbKtp6EsoVV2Qs1Q )
Bros, I think New Jersey Woman's position can be summed up in a few words...she simply disagrees with the Government's approach to the Covid. Fair enough...that's her prerogative. We mostly all disagree with aspects of Government administration but...we take it, grudgingly, on the chin because that is the political system under which we operate (the game and the rules). You don't like it then your options are (1) get political and change the Government; (2) rebel and get shot.
[ + ] rise4teen88
[ - ] rise4teen88 4 points 3.5 yearsOct 21, 2021 19:04:10 ago (+4/-0)
[ + ] paul_neri
[ - ] paul_neri [op] -1 points 3.5 yearsOct 21, 2021 19:51:58 ago (+0/-1)
[ + ] paul_neri
[ - ] paul_neri [op] -1 points 3.5 yearsOct 21, 2021 22:38:45 ago (+0/-1)
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 1 point 3.5 yearsOct 22, 2021 09:10:37 ago (+1/-0)*
The healthcare establishment has actively prevented docs from treating patients early with cheap antivirals. It has actively recommended dangerous interventions inappropriately within the epidemiological context. For $$$$ for themselves and their buddies in Wall street.
The healthcare system has created an epidemiological hunger games scenario for average person. It is now an obstacle to good health. I have had to research and obtain drugs for my family to prevent/treat this disease. I have to become an amateur doctor because my healthcare system is now politicized and cares only for money and legally covering its ass and would just as soon euthanize my elderly family members as save them. The healthcare system needs to die to save medicine. It is irrational and corrupt.
The government healthcare system pushed late term abortion so it could obtain cheap body parts which it uses for research like the gain of function experiments that created SARS Cov 2. Dead baby parts were grafted in to lab animals to help create new corona viruses which would infect human cells. That was how covid was made by the government medical establishment. Cool.
The corrupt government/wall street/MSM complex is now trying to agitate the peasants to attack each other for totally irrational shit. To wit, you trying to blame an unvaxxed Uber driver for this shit show, when government health regulatory agencies MADE THIS VIRUS. When it is actually a heavily vaxxed population that caused Delta variant, a more infectious and lethal strain to spread. The bodies of vaccinated people TAUGHT SARS CoV 2 to be more infectious, not the unvaxxed. That is indisputable.
Healthcare system can’t even make useful NON-CONTROVERSIAL recommendations to treat this disease like: take high dose vitamins C, D and zinc! Take baby aspirin. Take an antioxidant to prevent inflamation. They have blown their wad on propagit for their “Get those dirty antivaxxers” campaign. They can’t even recommend the right masks. They enforce people wearing these useless surgical masks in places like the park! Is that science?
They have abandon their mission. The very idea that an Uber driver is in any way responsible for this shitshow is absurd.
You can’t support this propagit on a scientific basis Paul
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[ - ] dulcima 0 points 3.5 yearsOct 22, 2021 09:43:40 ago (+0/-0)
None of this is funny.
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 3.5 yearsOct 22, 2021 10:27:51 ago (+0/-0)
He thinks the way he does because people have repeated untruths and false narratives to him over and over his entire life. That process can be reverse to an extent by presenting the truth again and again. An uber driver is not causing this problem. That is fucking absurd. The leaky vax does not reduce transmission and it probably is increasing it.
That’s a non sequitur. The uber driver is not spreading covid because he is unvaxxed. We know that. Even Paul probably knows that.
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 4 points 3.5 yearsOct 21, 2021 18:15:17 ago (+4/-0)
Ivermectin is proven highly effective at mitigating severe disease if given early in symptomatic phase.
Ivermectin implements virostatic activity that will not promote resistant variants.
Ivermectin is cheap, unlike all the government sanctioned covid treatments such as the vaccines, which have failed to perform as promised.
Why was this person not given cheap safe antiviral interventions on day one by tictok dancers? I think I know. $$$$$
Its not funny to spike the football when people are killed by the virus made by “government experts”. Government funded research created this virus. Government sanctioned vaccine, which is the most deadly vaccine of all time, has killed many gullible people in low covid risk demographics who’s vaccination was of no benefit to anyone. That’s not funny either.
Ive got the facts Paul, anytime you want to have a factual argument and stop mocking people murdered by a government made virus.
Remember, the vaccinated have HIGHER viral loads with no symptoms. They are the superspreaders. A study in San Franscisco several months ago when older strains still existed showed that unvaxxed were infected with older less infectious strains. Vaccinated people were infected with the delta strain. Vaccinated people cause the spread of the more infectious strains. That is easy to understand if you accept that evolution is REAL and this is a phenomenon similar to the Marek’s disease vaccine example which ony succeeded in making Marek’s disease WORSE.
Bring a logical science based argument if you are so confident about the infallibility of the big pharma vaxes. Can you articulate why you think my assertions are untrue without resorting to politics or scientism?
[ + ] paul_neri
[ - ] paul_neri [op] -1 points 3.5 yearsOct 21, 2021 22:34:24 ago (+0/-1)
Putting aside the fact, yes fact, that Ivermectin is currently not approved by the world's medico-scientific community for covid treatment, you/we can't assume that the gentleman in question would have taken it.
So the situation we are left with is that the gentleman appears to have taken neither Ivermectin or a tradvax and now is paying the price. So...the very clear message to TLOL's anti vax brigade is...get vaxxed with a traditional vaccination or Ivermectin etc if you think it works but get vaxxed with something or you're likely to get very ill if you catch the covid.Agree?
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 1 point 3.5 yearsOct 22, 2021 10:05:57 ago (+1/-0)
We cannot assume this guy would even be sick since the mass vaccination programs cause the super infectious Delta strain to arise.
We can assume that if a doctor who was not coerced by the establishment to push certain interventions over others on a purely political and for profit basis and not at all on a scientifically sound one was able to make recommendations to this man and millions of others, there would be a lot less dead people now.
I mean why the fuck hasn’t the WHO and most western countries approved the sputnik vax or the sinovax? Because they might kill people? Clearly they don’t care how many people die of vaccines. They are not even counting it.
Its only money$$$$$$. Chaching. When are you gonna get it. Treatmenst are deemed scientifically sound or mandatory if they will increase the money and power of the people in charge. This is not a scientific process my friend. They are raping science.
It is a basic right of humans to refuse this or any body altering intervention for any reason. As many have pointed out, this is gene therapy. This sets a precedent for the goverment to mandate any gene therapy in perpetuity, without any scientific basis. Do you understand the ramifications of giving the government power to force gene therapy on citizens? Do you understand what can be done with gene therapy?
As I have pointed out over and over, there is no evidence that mass vaccination with a leaky vax is helping to end the epidemic. That assertion is unsupportable. In fact it is prolonging it by preventing herd immunity in younger individuals and encouraging more virulent strains. Evolution is in control now of this man made virus. The vaccine brigade is anti-evolution because it is in denial of what mass vaccination is doing to the epidemic and seems to be in denial of the fact that the VACCINATED ARE SPREADING THE VIRUS at least as much as the unvaccinated.
Why are the vax fanatics so bent on demonizing rando unvaxxed dudes like this uber driver when we know that vaccinated people are spreading the disease, that they are more likely to be asymptomatic spreaders and they are more likely to spread mutations with higher infectivity and virulence?
Every individual needs to make a risk benefit analysis with good quality information to decide what intervention if any will minimize his own risk and his community’s. Its unacceptible for the government/big pharma cabal to insist they know whats best for me without giving me ALL of the relevant data they have. They are not collecting vaccine adverse event or mortality data or they are hiding it. Unacceptable. We don’t even know what is in these vaccines because some of the ingredients are proprietary. There is almost certainly graphene oxide in the mRNA vaccines. Where are the studies on mutagenicity/carcinogenicty? They aren’t doing them. If you don’t understand how heavily viral antigens are implicated in cancers and neurodegenerative disease, you aren’t keeping up with the science.
Your only argument seems to be that I should trust my slave masters. I don’t. Scientific institutions have been corrupted by government and corporate money. The research and reporting systems are being gamed. Research is being gamed. Can you hear me yet?
[ + ] paul_neri
[ - ] paul_neri [op] -1 points 3.5 yearsOct 22, 2021 23:29:42 ago (+0/-1)
No. I'm saying the preponderance of medico-scientific opinion is that the proper treatment for the Covid is the tradvaccines. You disagree with that weight of opinion.
"The Federal Corporation of the United States of America and its subsidiaries like the Australian government are self serving corporations.".
You're acting like a sovereign citizen and denying the fact of elected Government. The fact is our Societies are governed by an elected Government and Government calls the shots. If we don't like a Government we unelect it. That is the name of the game, New Jersey Woman, and the rules. You don't want to acknowledge the game or the rules. You want Government to do what you want.Sorry...it doesn't work like that. Government is currently doing what, it would seem, given the high compliance level with Government edicts, the majority of the public wants which is the opposite to what you want. It's all about majority rule, kid, and you and your antivax mates are on the outside. You don't like it then...throw the Government out of office at the next election.
[ + ] paul_neri
[ - ] paul_neri [op] -1 points 3.5 yearsOct 22, 2021 03:21:10 ago (+0/-1)
The Government couldn't make Ivermectin available to this dude even if he was prepared to take it because it would be opening itself up to a massive lawsuit if something went wrong because [and this is the key bit New Jersey woman that you close your mind to] the Government's medical/scientific advice is that Ivermectin is currently not considered a suitable Covid treatment. So with the dude in question, if he was hanging out for Ivermectin he was being silly because the Government can't make it available to him - that's how the game is played - and if he wasn't, he was still being silly for not taking a tradvax which is approved by the medical/scientific establishment with the result...he got very ill and that's what can happen if you don't get tradvaxxed!
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[ - ] paul_neri [op] -1 points 3.5 yearsOct 21, 2021 22:45:18 ago (+0/-1)
"So the situation we are left with is that the gentleman appears to have taken neither Ivermectin or a tradvax and now is paying the price. So...the very clear message to TLOL's anti vax brigade is...get vaxxed with a traditional vaccination or Ivermectin etc if you think it works but get vaxxed with something or you're likely to get very ill if you catch the covid.Agree?"
[ + ] Garrett
[ - ] Garrett 2 points 3.5 yearsOct 21, 2021 17:39:15 ago (+2/-0)
94% of people who died of CoViD were already suffering from other diseases, with an average of 2.6 comorbidities, as reported by CDC in USA: "Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death." (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm?fbclid=IwAR3-wrg3tTKK5-9tOHPGAHWFVO3DfslkJ0KsDEPQpWmPbKtp6EsoVV2Qs1Q )
https://archive.ph/FKUxW
heres a good list of red pills regarding covid/vaccines: https://www.voat.xyz/viewpost?postid=612af945f3548
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