We had a company meeting about it today. I was AMAZED how many people objected and pushed back on it. A lot of people who I thought were either for vaccination or seemed neutral were among the most vociferous. We have a deadline of February 15, and after that, any employee who has either not provided proof or received an exemption will be placed on unpaid leave.
People are really fucking angry about this, and I can see easily 10% of the company choosing to leave over this. This is going to damage the company, and it will probably take a long time to recover, since it's getting harder and harder to fill vacancies.
As for myself, I can make a very strong case for a religious exemption. I've been reading all morning on how to make the case to justify it without having to justify my particular beliefs (i.e., cite scripture). I won't allow them to make me defend my deeply held religious belief, however, because it's not up to them to determine the "correctness" of my faith.
This is a damn shame. It used to be a really great company to work for. But now, like everything else in the country, it's become corrupted and bears no resemblance to anything I used to value.
They were very clear during the company meeting that because this is a requirement for work, failure to comply with result in the employee separating from the company and it will be treated as a voluntary resignation.
Even in at-will states, a company-initiated termination without cause results in UEI costs. A employee initiated one does not. I would contact the state office for Unemployment and ask them for a written clarification surrounding forced medical procedures as a requirement for work, an if release upon refusal is grounds for unemployment benefits.
Not a solution. I actually like the job and the people I work with. They all feel the same way I do. If I got "created a bunch of shit", I wouldn't be laid off, I would be fired, and I need the job. I could survive a while with no income, but I'd be destitute when the money ran out, and I'd have no medical or life insurance.
I'd ask for that policy/requirement in writing and take it to an employment attorney today.
Edit: Also, call state Unemployment and ask if your refusal to undergo a medical procedure is grounds for termination where you would be ineligible for Unemployment benefits.
This is excellent language. It's very concise and direct. I'll compare it to some of the samples I've come across this morning. Thanks for your comment.
[ - ] Aze 1 point 3.5 yearsOct 22, 2021 18:38:07 ago (+1/-0)
True, but it isn't reasonable to expect people to actually do that, as the reaction would be instant and irrevocable, and we all know it. Would that everyone had nothing to lose, then this would be a viable option.
For the real world however, this is, at least until people are truly ready to "fix" this problem, the best band-aid we have.
Give it time. The people are beginning to feel the noose tightening; things could get wild very fast indeed.
Just to be clear - religious exemption from a workplace rule does not necessarily stop with your declaration, iow, it doesn't mean judging the "correctness" of your religion.
The second part of the Title II statute of the religious exemption is the "accommodation" the company must attempt to make. This is where the "question your faith" part comes in. You don't have to "prove it" but you have to be willing to be "accommodated" in some kind of compromise. Hence they can ask questions to understand your exemption, and to provide a way to accommodate.
For example, "You can be unvaxxed, but must wear a N95 at all times within the building" would be a reasonable accommodation they may come up with.
They also can still fire you, and let you spend the $$ and time and effort to sue them. Many/most people will simply give up rather than go to that expense, and they may be willing to take that chance.
Also, if you are employed in an at-will state, they can release you for whatever reason they want, "eliminating your position" is one that has been proven to pass court muster.
Not shitting on your parade or saying you are wrong - just make sure you have a plan in place in case it doesn;t work, and talk to an attorney now, not later.
Best of luck, goat. Keep us up to date. This is going to happen to more and more of us.
Not shitting on your parade or saying you are wrong - just make sure you have a plan in place in case it doesn;t work, and talk to an attorney now, not later.
Not to worry, I don't see it that way at all. I posting this hoping to solicit insightful feedback like yours. I appreciate your comment.
No worries, goat. I was chatting with totes a week or two ago about this, and he had some interesting and insightful points to make. He was getting shit on left and right by people, so I wanted to make sure you knew I was trying to be helpful and not shitting on you!
Like I said, I am going to eventually go through this, our boomer CEO is all about this. Within an hour of Biden's EO remark a month ago, he had a company wide email basically saying, "Get ready for this."
Thanks, cy. The gist of the comment thread you're talking about is that you MUST file a religious exemption, you MUST tell them that you require an accommodation (otherwise they have no clue), they MUST be told what level of accommodations you need (what, exactly, are you opposed to) and you MUST be clear enough to make it plain that you have a solid belief (why, exactly, are you opposed to it) and not just gaming things - and to be clear, this is a LEGAL request and filing (not a religious one) - they have every legal right to challenge and examine it and ask clarifying questions. I get it, damn the man, but if you go with the "because I said no, suck it", you're going to get denied. Save the "the time for talking is done" for the time when words no longer the path because when you get to that point, you might as well pick up a gun. We're really not there yet. So very close, but not yet.
When my exemption goes through, I'll make a post with my entire filing but I'm waiting on the off-chance they deny it and I have to go legal because that means that either they're dicks or I really boned something in the filing and I will not pass on a fucked exemption filing for other goats to trip on.
Popping this here in the thread as well as a top level comment.
I included this in my exemption filing because it gives the law to the letter about religious exemptions and makes it perfectly clear that unless you're total fucking idiot, they cannot legitimately reject you and that you know it and your rights. This is something that was in every single sample exemption request out there (and don't call it a request because you're not asking for permission, you're TELLING them):
Begin template opening:
Based on laws and rights afforded me, I choose to exercise my right to file a religious exemption for currently available COVID-19 vaccinations based on deeply and sincerely held religious beliefs.
Federal law provides that it does not matter whether one’s sincere religious belief corresponds to any denomination or that it might even contradict the teaching of one’s denomination. As the U.S. Code of Federal Regulations provides (https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/29/1605.1):
The fact that no religious group espouses such beliefs or the fact that the religious group to which the individual professes to belong may not accept such belief will not determine whether the belief is a religious belief of the employee or prospective employee...
Also, I am aware that the United States Supreme Court has held that “[W]e reject the notion that to claim the protection of the Free Exercise Clause, one must be responding to the commands of a particular religious organization.” Frazee v. Illinois Dep’t of Emp. Sec., 489 U.S. 829, 834, 109 S. Ct. 1514, 1517–18, 103 L. Ed. 2d 914 (1989). In other words, it is the law of the land that my personal religious belief against any vaccination or any currently available vaccines does not have to be supported by any particular religious organization, not even any Church to which I may belong. I do not have to show that any particular religion positively forbids me to take any particular COVID-19 vaccine; my personal religious belief forbids me.
The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission has instructed that reasonable accommodations in this context may include wearing a face mask, social distancing from coworkers or non-employees, testing, working a modified shift, telework, or reassignment. See EEOC COVID-19 Vaccine Guidance, Sec. K.2., https://www.eeoc.gov/wysk/what-you-should-know-about-covid-19-and-ada-rehabilitation-act-and-other-eeo-laws. Any of these accommodations would be an acceptable alternative to obtaining vaccines that violate my good-faith, sincerely held religious beliefs.
This is extraordinary stuff. Thanks, many thanks, for commenting. It's late in the day and frankly I'm really tired and demoralized, so I won't spend more time reading about this because I think my head might explode, but I can't tell you how much I appreciate your relating your experience. I read your post and some of the comments, so when I finish and digest it, I'll respond. Thanks for all of this.
I think everyone will have to go through eventually. COVID passports just to shop and travel are coming soon. I'm in California. I expect this to be "mandatory" in six months or sooner.
Maybe, maybe not. The airlines balked. Who knows what will happen.
In the long term however none of us are going to avoid this without bloodshed. The Jews have pounced, and its all or nothing now. They will change whatever laws or precedents need changing to force you to comply. You will not avoid your own culling with a piece of paper or a polite no thank-you, that is for sure.
This is still a ways off in the U.S. for the moment. Best prepare now.
Find the people that spoke out, unionize and be very vocal every day. Hell actually get enough people and form a union and gain collective bargaining power. They can't fire all of you without going bankrupt. As long as people know they aren't alone they will follow.
Leak all of their IP for the lulz and collect as much personal information of the higher ups endorsing such policies and leak it on the internets. Again, for the lulz.
Not for the lulz. Those companies have committed damaging crimes against the people and the entire concept of free nations and free people.
They had every family in the country ready to die in the second world war because they believed they were protecting those freedoms for others.
Protecting their freedoms for themselves isn't a matter of lulz. It's matter of fucking them up the ass so bad you can move in and take over their place in the world of business and commerce.
Fucking swines. They still don't have the balls to lock us all up or shoot us like in a declared war, but their cowardice is their weakness.
[ - ] HughBriss [op] 1 point 3.5 yearsOct 22, 2021 16:19:57 ago (+1/-0)
That might happen. Even though the company is an operating company under a larger corporation, the company itself is fairly small with just over 100 employees. It's in a distant place in California that doesn't attract a lot of people to live in, and recruitment is always difficult because of the location. One of the questions that came up was how many people they expected to lose who refused to vaccinate and whether the company was prepared if that were a significant number. Even 10% would hurt, but it could be higher than that.
Have you spoken with your coworkers? If enough of you were willing to walk, is your line of work something you, as a group, could create your own start-up, even if it's only tangentially-related?
Here even if you have religious exemptions they're gonna swab your brain twice a week at your own fees to make you sit in a cubicle with a mask on, doing a job that has been 100% done from home for the last 20 months. Only absolute morons are subjecting themselves to that.
The way things are going there will be no 401k left at the end of this. And insurance companies will fold and you don't want their medical system anyway.
True enough. I'm old that I can withdraw everything without penalty, and perhaps I should. Since it's indexed to the stock market (if I understand it correctly), it could plummet overnight and all value would disappear.
[ - ] oldblo 1 point 3.5 yearsOct 22, 2021 19:02:25 ago (+1/-0)
This religious belief thing is a way of saying you need to justify your reason not to. You dont nor should you. Be upfront about it and tell them to go fuck themselves.
Don't get an exemption. That's admitting that they have a default authority over everyone's medical status. You are conceding power to them that they never earned.
Every time someone brings it up yell "FUCK YOU THAT'S WHY!" very loudly in front of everyone.
[ - ] chrimony 1 point 3.5 yearsOct 22, 2021 16:12:35 ago (+1/-0)
You should look for another job. Getting a religious exemption is the lazy way out and lets them off the hook -- assuming they even grant it. Religious exemption is bullshit anyways. If you don't want the jab, you shouldn't have to take it, period.
That's not a solution. EVERY company in California will be going this route. Finding another job would just be playing employment whack-a-mole.
Plus, it's very difficult finding work in my field, and I could be out of work for over a year finding new work.
Religious exemption is bullshit anyways. If you don't want the jab, you shouldn't have to take it, period.
I agree with you, I shouldn't HAVE to do this, but this isn't a perfect world. In fact, its a real crapsack world now, and just complaining that I "shouldn't have to do this" isn't going to change anything.
Then move out of state. Why are you still living in Commiefornia? And what if your exemption gets denied? Are you going to take the jab because you don't want to be burdened?
Dumb ass ... this "mandate" affects all states. How will it be better if I move to another state when all companies believe they have to enforce this?
You're the dumbass THERE IS NO MANDATE. It's only been proposed. And as soon as it's been proposed, it will be tied up in court. And even the proposed mandate doesn't affect companies less than 100 employees. But employers are doing this anyways because they're tools -- and Commiefornia is the worst state in the nation when it comes to this mentality -- just look at all the shit regulations that come out of the state. You guys couldn't even recall Newsome. But you still fucking live there.
If you think they will give you an exemption for religious reasons, think again. They are only accepting exemption applications to make it seem they care about their employees. The do not. They will not approve any and everyone will still have to get the clot shot or be terminated. Our own company president/ceo has confirmed this with us. He has to accept them. He doesn’t have to approve them.
[ - ] HughBriss [op] 1 point 3.5 yearsOct 23, 2021 10:48:41 ago (+1/-0)
I agree with you. I just need to stall for time until I get my affairs settled. I have no delusions that any artificial "exemption" from following an unconstitutional order from an unelected president has any more meaning that anything else that passes for the rule of law these days.
Try to connect with all the others who don't want this (unvaxxed and vaxxed) and see if you can get them all to stick together and tell the company you will all quit if they do that. Stage a walk out as well just to let them get a taste of what that would be like.
Instead of citing religious exemption, just say no. Getting an exemption is playing their game. Just say no. Call their bluff. Good luck dude. My job will probably doing it soon too.
Based on laws and rights afforded me, I choose to exercise my right to file a religious exemption for currently available COVID-19 vaccinations based on deeply and sincerely held religious beliefs.
Federal law provides that it does not matter whether one’s sincere religious belief corresponds to any denomination or that it might even contradict the teaching of one’s denomination. As the U.S. Code of Federal Regulations provides (https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/29/1605.1):
The fact that no religious group espouses such beliefs or the fact that the religious group to which the individual professes to belong may not accept such belief will not determine whether the belief is a religious belief of the employee or prospective employee...
Also, I am aware that the United States Supreme Court has held that “[W]e reject the notion that to claim the protection of the Free Exercise Clause, one must be responding to the commands of a particular religious organization.” Frazee v. Illinois Dep’t of Emp. Sec., 489 U.S. 829, 834, 109 S. Ct. 1514, 1517–18, 103 L. Ed. 2d 914 (1989). In other words, it is the law of the land that my personal religious belief against any vaccination or any currently available vaccines does not have to be supported by any particular religious organization, not even any Church to which I may belong. I do not have to show that any particular religion positively forbids me to take any particular COVID-19 vaccine; my personal religious belief forbids me.
The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission has instructed that reasonable accommodations in this context may include wearing a face mask, social distancing from coworkers or non-employees, testing, working a modified shift, telework, or reassignment. See EEOC COVID-19 Vaccine Guidance, Sec. K.2., https://www.eeoc.gov/wysk/what-you-should-know-about-covid-19-and-ada-rehabilitation-act-and-other-eeo-laws. Any of these accommodations would be an acceptable alternative to obtaining vaccines that violate my good-faith, sincerely held religious beliefs.
How is "unpaid leave" even legal? Surely that's a breach of contract. I could understand if you were insubordinate or something but I don't see how they can just decide to stop paying you without firing you any more than you can just decide to stop doing with work without quitting.
[ - ] HughBriss [op] 1 point 3.5 yearsOct 22, 2021 17:56:57 ago (+1/-0)
I agree with your. The way it was explained to us is that failure to vaccinate will be regarded as failure to comply with the conditions of employment, which can be changed at will in my state.
People should just delete all of their files. The second an employer crosses the line into telling you what to do with your body, you don't have an obligation of loyalty to them. You have an obligation to society to makes sure that company fails. It's the moral thing to do. Wreck em. Their very instincts are wrong and they shouldn't exist as a company compared to their compeditors that didn't have these instincts. Society benefits when companies that don't understand that line fail.
If these dems have their way we are moving to a safety net society anyway. You'll be alright. If they don't, the society that ditches these marxist rails will understand.
This won't get you anywhere but brought up on criminal charges. I work in tech and the amount of redundant data backups means that it will do nothing to the company.
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"There is nothing in this contract for employment that specifies mandatory medical procedures."
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[ - ] HughBriss [op] 0 points 3.5 yearsOct 22, 2021 17:53:20 ago (+0/-0)
NO, I CAN'T.
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Edit: Also, call state Unemployment and ask if your refusal to undergo a medical procedure is grounds for termination where you would be ineligible for Unemployment benefits.
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[ - ] Broc_Liath 1 point 3.5 yearsOct 22, 2021 17:39:08 ago (+1/-0)
As in they'll offer to let you resign so it'll look better on your CV? Or they're just going to unilaterally declare you left of your own will?
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Don't quit and don't do the bs religious angle.
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The only argument anyone should be making is "FUCK YOU THAT'S WHY!"
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[ - ] Aze 1 point 3.5 yearsOct 22, 2021 18:38:07 ago (+1/-0)
For the real world however, this is, at least until people are truly ready to "fix" this problem, the best band-aid we have.
Give it time. The people are beginning to feel the noose tightening; things could get wild very fast indeed.
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[ - ] Master_Foo 4 points 3.5 yearsOct 22, 2021 18:44:17 ago (+4/-0)
Heil Odin!
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The second part of the Title II statute of the religious exemption is the "accommodation" the company must attempt to make. This is where the "question your faith" part comes in. You don't have to "prove it" but you have to be willing to be "accommodated" in some kind of compromise. Hence they can ask questions to understand your exemption, and to provide a way to accommodate.
For example, "You can be unvaxxed, but must wear a N95 at all times within the building" would be a reasonable accommodation they may come up with.
They also can still fire you, and let you spend the $$ and time and effort to sue them. Many/most people will simply give up rather than go to that expense, and they may be willing to take that chance.
Also, if you are employed in an at-will state, they can release you for whatever reason they want, "eliminating your position" is one that has been proven to pass court muster.
Not shitting on your parade or saying you are wrong - just make sure you have a plan in place in case it doesn;t work, and talk to an attorney now, not later.
Best of luck, goat. Keep us up to date. This is going to happen to more and more of us.
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[ - ] HughBriss [op] 4 points 3.5 yearsOct 22, 2021 14:11:45 ago (+4/-0)
Not to worry, I don't see it that way at all. I posting this hoping to solicit insightful feedback like yours. I appreciate your comment.
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[ - ] cyclops1771 6 points 3.5 yearsOct 22, 2021 14:30:52 ago (+6/-0)
If you look up user totes_magotes, and check his post history, you might find that thread and can read through it. Might be some good advice in there. Fuck it, I stopped being a lazy POS, and just grabbed this for you: https://www.voat.xyz/viewpost?postid=6161bfb0a56f8&commentid=6162ea7de60a1
Like I said, I am going to eventually go through this, our boomer CEO is all about this. Within an hour of Biden's EO remark a month ago, he had a company wide email basically saying, "Get ready for this."
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[ - ] totes_magotes 5 points 3.5 yearsOct 22, 2021 18:58:52 ago (+5/-0)
When my exemption goes through, I'll make a post with my entire filing but I'm waiting on the off-chance they deny it and I have to go legal because that means that either they're dicks or I really boned something in the filing and I will not pass on a fucked exemption filing for other goats to trip on.
Popping this here in the thread as well as a top level comment.
I included this in my exemption filing because it gives the law to the letter about religious exemptions and makes it perfectly clear that unless you're total fucking idiot, they cannot legitimately reject you and that you know it and your rights. This is something that was in every single sample exemption request out there (and don't call it a request because you're not asking for permission, you're TELLING them):
Based on laws and rights afforded me, I choose to exercise my right to file a religious exemption for currently available COVID-19 vaccinations based on deeply and sincerely held religious beliefs.
Federal law provides that it does not matter whether one’s sincere religious belief corresponds to any denomination or that it might even contradict the teaching of one’s denomination. As the U.S. Code of Federal Regulations provides (https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/29/1605.1):
Also, I am aware that the United States Supreme Court has held that “[W]e reject the notion that to claim the protection of the Free Exercise Clause, one must be responding to the commands of a particular religious organization.” Frazee v. Illinois Dep’t of Emp. Sec., 489 U.S. 829, 834, 109 S. Ct. 1514, 1517–18, 103 L. Ed. 2d 914 (1989). In other words, it is the law of the land that my personal religious belief against any vaccination or any currently available vaccines does not have to be supported by any particular religious organization, not even any Church to which I may belong. I do not have to show that any particular religion positively forbids me to take any particular COVID-19 vaccine; my personal religious belief forbids me.
The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission has instructed that reasonable accommodations in this context may include wearing a face mask, social distancing from coworkers or non-employees, testing, working a modified shift, telework, or reassignment. See EEOC COVID-19 Vaccine Guidance, Sec. K.2., https://www.eeoc.gov/wysk/what-you-should-know-about-covid-19-and-ada-rehabilitation-act-and-other-eeo-laws. Any of these accommodations would be an acceptable alternative to obtaining vaccines that violate my good-faith, sincerely held religious beliefs.
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[ - ] totes_magotes 0 points 3.5 yearsOct 22, 2021 22:17:30 ago (+0/-0)
https://denvercatholic.org/a-letter-from-the-bishops-of-colorado-on-covid-19-vaccine-mandates/
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[ - ] cyclops1771 2 points 3.5 yearsOct 22, 2021 16:05:03 ago (+2/-0)
Just got the Email myself. Nov 5 deadline to report status. Contract work, here I come.
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In the long term however none of us are going to avoid this without bloodshed. The Jews have pounced, and its all or nothing now. They will change whatever laws or precedents need changing to force you to comply. You will not avoid your own culling with a piece of paper or a polite no thank-you, that is for sure.
This is still a ways off in the U.S. for the moment. Best prepare now.
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They had every family in the country ready to die in the second world war because they believed they were protecting those freedoms for others.
Protecting their freedoms for themselves isn't a matter of lulz. It's matter of fucking them up the ass so bad you can move in and take over their place in the world of business and commerce.
Fucking swines. They still don't have the balls to lock us all up or shoot us like in a declared war, but their cowardice is their weakness.
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If enough of you were willing to walk, is your line of work something you, as a group, could create your own start-up, even if it's only tangentially-related?
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[ - ] oldblo 1 point 3.5 yearsOct 22, 2021 19:02:25 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Master_Foo
[ - ] Master_Foo 1 point 3.5 yearsOct 22, 2021 18:10:05 ago (+1/-0)
Every time someone brings it up yell "FUCK YOU THAT'S WHY!" very loudly in front of everyone.
That's the only legitimate "exemption".
[ + ] HughBriss
[ - ] HughBriss [op] 0 points 3.5 yearsOct 22, 2021 18:15:19 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Master_Foo
[ - ] Master_Foo 2 points 3.5 yearsOct 22, 2021 18:49:06 ago (+2/-0)
The company lost it's programmer and eventually went out of business because nobody could finish the project.
I retired.
[ + ] chrimony
[ - ] chrimony 1 point 3.5 yearsOct 22, 2021 16:12:35 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] HughBriss
[ - ] HughBriss [op] 2 points 3.5 yearsOct 22, 2021 16:25:02 ago (+2/-0)
Plus, it's very difficult finding work in my field, and I could be out of work for over a year finding new work.
I agree with you, I shouldn't HAVE to do this, but this isn't a perfect world. In fact, its a real crapsack world now, and just complaining that I "shouldn't have to do this" isn't going to change anything.
[ + ] chrimony
[ - ] chrimony 0 points 3.5 yearsOct 22, 2021 20:01:06 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] HughBriss
[ - ] HughBriss [op] 0 points 3.5 yearsOct 22, 2021 20:05:08 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] chrimony
[ - ] chrimony 0 points 3.5 yearsOct 22, 2021 22:06:12 ago (+0/-0)
You're the dumbass THERE IS NO MANDATE. It's only been proposed. And as soon as it's been proposed, it will be tied up in court. And even the proposed mandate doesn't affect companies less than 100 employees. But employers are doing this anyways because they're tools -- and Commiefornia is the worst state in the nation when it comes to this mentality -- just look at all the shit regulations that come out of the state. You guys couldn't even recall Newsome. But you still fucking live there.
[ + ] lord_nougat
[ - ] lord_nougat 1 point 3.5 yearsOct 22, 2021 15:44:03 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] PygmyGoat
[ - ] PygmyGoat 0 points 3.5 yearsOct 23, 2021 10:39:59 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] HughBriss
[ - ] HughBriss [op] 1 point 3.5 yearsOct 23, 2021 10:48:41 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] MrDobalina
[ - ] MrDobalina 0 points 3.5 yearsOct 23, 2021 03:01:14 ago (+0/-0)
This will end up like the birth control class action lawsuit.
Don't forget to egg their cars on the way out.
[ + ] TerryB
[ - ] TerryB 0 points 3.5 yearsOct 23, 2021 01:10:44 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] toobaditworks
[ - ] toobaditworks 0 points 3.5 yearsOct 23, 2021 00:50:28 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] account deleted by user
[ - ] account deleted by user 0 points 3.5 yearsOct 22, 2021 22:47:15 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Merlynn
[ - ] Merlynn 0 points 3.5 yearsOct 22, 2021 21:31:21 ago (+0/-0)
If nothing else,start your own company. There's going to be a lot of work once your old employer goes under.
[ + ] ToNigIsToNog
[ - ] ToNigIsToNog 0 points 3.5 yearsOct 22, 2021 21:12:23 ago (+0/-0)
pretend to be jewish
say the body and blood is holy and you can't take vaccines
done
[ + ] Jiggggg
[ - ] Jiggggg 0 points 3.5 yearsOct 22, 2021 20:44:00 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] totes_magotes
[ - ] totes_magotes 0 points 3.5 yearsOct 22, 2021 18:50:23 ago (+0/-0)
Based on laws and rights afforded me, I choose to exercise my right to file a religious exemption for currently available COVID-19 vaccinations based on deeply and sincerely held religious beliefs.
Federal law provides that it does not matter whether one’s sincere religious belief corresponds to any denomination or that it might even contradict the teaching of one’s denomination. As the U.S. Code of Federal Regulations provides (https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/29/1605.1):
Also, I am aware that the United States Supreme Court has held that “[W]e reject the notion that to claim the protection of the Free Exercise Clause, one must be responding to the commands of a particular religious organization.” Frazee v. Illinois Dep’t of Emp. Sec., 489 U.S. 829, 834, 109 S. Ct. 1514, 1517–18, 103 L. Ed. 2d 914 (1989). In other words, it is the law of the land that my personal religious belief against any vaccination or any currently available vaccines does not have to be supported by any particular religious organization, not even any Church to which I may belong. I do not have to show that any particular religion positively forbids me to take any particular COVID-19 vaccine; my personal religious belief forbids me.
The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission has instructed that reasonable accommodations in this context may include wearing a face mask, social distancing from coworkers or non-employees, testing, working a modified shift, telework, or reassignment. See EEOC COVID-19 Vaccine Guidance, Sec. K.2., https://www.eeoc.gov/wysk/what-you-should-know-about-covid-19-and-ada-rehabilitation-act-and-other-eeo-laws. Any of these accommodations would be an acceptable alternative to obtaining vaccines that violate my good-faith, sincerely held religious beliefs.
[ + ] texasblood
[ - ] texasblood 0 points 3.5 yearsOct 22, 2021 18:22:10 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] HughBriss
[ - ] HughBriss [op] 0 points 3.5 yearsOct 22, 2021 18:25:41 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Broc_Liath
[ - ] Broc_Liath 0 points 3.5 yearsOct 22, 2021 17:33:44 ago (+0/-0)*
[ + ] HughBriss
[ - ] HughBriss [op] 1 point 3.5 yearsOct 22, 2021 17:56:57 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Broc_Liath
[ - ] Broc_Liath 0 points 3.5 yearsOct 22, 2021 19:53:20 ago (+0/-0)
So your contract is just a blank check from the employer end? I though cali was a commie union state.
Even then it's hard to see how they could just indefinitely not pay you rather than having to fire you.
[ + ] SocksOnCats
[ - ] SocksOnCats 0 points 3.5 yearsOct 22, 2021 17:17:49 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] x0x7
[ - ] x0x7 0 points 3.5 yearsOct 22, 2021 14:37:13 ago (+2/-2)
If these dems have their way we are moving to a safety net society anyway. You'll be alright. If they don't, the society that ditches these marxist rails will understand.
[ + ] Sh1tt1ngMys3lf
[ - ] Sh1tt1ngMys3lf 0 points 3.5 yearsOct 23, 2021 12:56:09 ago (+0/-0)