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One month passive solar heater update

submitted by totes_magotes to preppers 3.5 yearsDec 18, 2021 12:26:55 ago (+52/-0)     (pic8.co)

https://pic8.co/sh/MWFUJh.png


Link goes to this month's power bill.

I added black corrugated pipe (plastic) over the clear vinyl air hoses giving me what seems to be a 2 to 5 degree increase in the amount of warmth coming out (temp on hand/skin estimate - it is warmer but I didn't measure it). Further, corrugated pipe is stiffer so this straightens out the pipe layout so it's not snaking all over the place (no ups and downs in a passive system which means smoother air flow overall). The insulation effect of the pipe combined with the black heating effect in sunlight means that I'm not spending heat trying to heat the pipes (and perhaps getting some kind of help from the corrugated pipe as well). I'm still not getting passive air movement without the solar panels/CPU fans but it hardly matters since if there's not enough sun to drive the panels and fans, there's usually not enough sun to make as much of a difference in heat generation. I only half-assed the installation since I didn't really want to make a full-on production of mounting the pipes so if I did it right, I might get another 1 to 2 degree increase in temperature (the ends are lose and not sealed on the corrugated pipe). Further, expansion and contraction from heat and cold cycles has cracked the acrylic in most of the mounting points leading to undesired heat transfer in unhelpful ways. I suspect I should have drilled the mounting holes larger to account for expansion. For now, I just covered the cracks with electrical tape and will replace the acrylic next spring when I remove the unit from the window. When I do this, I will replace the acrylic with either a thicker piece or a double pane of the same current thickness (not sure yet which).

I also added foam weatherstripping along the mounting bracket and lined the inside with two layers of cardboard to help insulate the weakest part of this and prevent cold from leaking in.

With all the changes, I can now walk up to the "vent" and stick my hand in night or day and it is room temperature instead of being colder and somewhere between inside and outside temps.

Regarding power:

It's not been warm enough to use the AC in either month and average temperature is only 6 degrees higher in December (huh??).

Power usage is 21% of last month. That's a significant amount of change and not representative of an average increase of 6 degrees between the two months. Total amount for power usage is $27.05. For reference, the main part of my house is heated with natural gas (forced air electric fan) and usage has gone from $10.70 (just the cost to keep the gas on) to $47.35. The amount billed this year is barely more than last year but there's already been a rate hike since last year and with current economic predictions, there will be more soon. So what we're seeing is a massive decrease in electrical usage with an expected corresponding drop in the usage of natural gas even if the amount paid for natural gas is higher.

With the addition of the corrugated pipe, I've been able to keep my heat set between 60 and 64 instead of 64 to 66 without (and 70 to 72 without the passive heater at all). In fact, I am now keeping it off most of the day.


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[ - ] deleted 7 points 3.5 yearsDec 18, 2021 12:43:27 ago (+7/-0)*

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[ - ] totes_magotes [op] 3 points 3.5 yearsDec 18, 2021 13:12:12 ago (+3/-0)

Huh, I might have to try that in the spring. Thanks for the tip.

[ - ] o0shad0o 2 points 3.5 yearsDec 18, 2021 19:10:07 ago (+2/-0)

Eh. I think the airgap between the pipes is doing nearly all of the contribution to the increased temperature, and I doubt going black or clear with the outside will make that much of a difference. (Going black with the inside pipe and clear on the outside pipe might add a little though.)

[ - ] RMGoetbbels 4 points 3.5 yearsDec 18, 2021 12:40:50 ago (+4/-0)

6-7 degrees is huge when your furnace fails. It often means the difference between putting on a sweatshirt and still being comfortable enough to get things done or wrapping up in a blanket just to stay warm.

[ - ] totes_magotes [op] 2 points 3.5 yearsDec 18, 2021 13:14:03 ago (+2/-0)

Aye. The idea was to cut the edge off of my heating use. It's done that admirably. Admittedly, I have solar power with a battery backup and the forced air fan is on that too so that I won't have to worry about grid failures. If the gas or furnace fails, I still have the upstairs which is on electric heat.

But, yeah, it's an excellent addition.

[ - ] CPU 2 points 3.5 yearsDec 18, 2021 20:35:00 ago (+2/-0)

Check out this guy's method: https://iteroni.com/watch?v=BREQY1TL7JA

[ - ] totes_magotes [op] 0 points 3.5 yearsDec 19, 2021 00:18:51 ago (+0/-0)

Yeah, that's a makeshift water heating system like you would find in old buildings back in the day. Nifty. Not something I would put in a mobile thing but if it works, it works.

[ - ] MartinTimothy 2 points 3.5 yearsDec 18, 2021 19:36:35 ago (+2/-0)*

What about the midwinter heatwave underway over much of the Lower 48, with temps approaching 80F in Arkansas and Tennessee stretching into WV and Missouri.

December 16, 2021/373 Trucking. Mount Crawford Virginia to Charleston, West Virginia.

Weather Warfare is the popular choice for cause, see the video for high temps and extensive chemtrailing currently underway across the same region, which says to me the densly wooded Appalachian Hills will be getting a dose of DEW inspired wildfire some time soon.

[ - ] totes_magotes [op] 0 points 3.5 yearsDec 18, 2021 20:05:14 ago (+0/-0)

6 degrees average difference between this month and last. Not really enough of a difference to go from $60sh to almost $30. Enough to drop it some but not that much.

[ - ] SparklingWiggle 2 points 3.5 yearsDec 18, 2021 16:00:02 ago (+2/-0)

I’m a little confused by your testing methods. Is you house cooler than you had it last year? Is your thermostat setting lower?

Im trying to remember how you set the heater up, is it dual mode: passive heating and solar powered cpu fan driven?

[ - ] totes_magotes [op] 1 point 3.5 yearsDec 18, 2021 16:26:45 ago (+1/-0)

Original post on initial set up: https://www.voat.xyz/viewpost?postid=6191d0fab2eb4

I'm keeping the house "at comfortable" temperatures. Which is to say between 68 and 72 on any given day. I don't need to set the thermostat anywhere near as high now because the solar heater is adding warm(er) air to the inside, reducing the work it needs to do.

[ - ] SparklingWiggle 2 points 3.5 yearsDec 18, 2021 17:28:07 ago (+2/-0)

But if leave it at the same temp as last year, it would be a fairer test. Scientifically, you're changing too many variables.

[ - ] totes_magotes [op] 0 points 3.5 yearsDec 18, 2021 19:11:38 ago (+0/-0)

It's not supposed to be scientific. It's supposed to be practical. I don't have to hold the heat at the same temp if the solar heater is doing its job, do I? No, because the house heat becomes secondary during the day. And that's all I needed to see out of this. What's the result? I don't need to use my heater as much. I see a power bill that's 21% of the last month.

It doesn't matter because 75% of the solar heater was scrap material I already had around. I have next to nothing invested in this so by the time spring comes around, it will have paid for itself easily.

The whole thing was an exploration of curiosity. I think it passes well enough.

[ - ] SparklingWiggle 1 point 3.5 yearsDec 18, 2021 19:32:26 ago (+1/-0)

Or is it less because your house is cooler and you're tolerating it better?

[ - ] totes_magotes [op] 0 points 3.5 yearsDec 18, 2021 19:59:36 ago (+0/-0)

The solar heater is pumping outside air in. That would be higher humidity which means a warmer "feels like" temperature.

[ - ] JudyStroyer 2 points 3.5 yearsDec 18, 2021 13:46:42 ago (+2/-0)

Hey, thanks for the follow up and the original op, inspiring stuff to save some. Nice work @totes_magotes

[ - ] totes_magotes [op] 2 points 3.5 yearsDec 18, 2021 16:29:39 ago (+2/-0)

Thanks. I know I was skeptical when I first saw these a number of years ago. It's... worth it. If you drop cash for all the supplies, it might take you a full winter to see a return. I already had most of the materials on hand so my costs were minimal. Which means this is a high return project for me.

[ - ] deleted 2 points 3.5 yearsDec 18, 2021 13:34:35 ago (+2/-0)

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[ - ] JudyStroyer 4 points 3.5 yearsDec 18, 2021 13:45:15 ago (+4/-0)

Good advice in general to ensure you arent getting jewed

[ - ] totes_magotes [op] 1 point 3.5 yearsDec 18, 2021 16:33:44 ago (+1/-0)

As much as I hate them, my neighborhood all has "smart" meters. Which means my power bill is always accurate, no need to run around and read any meters.

That said, I DO have readings on how much my solar puts out (something like an hourly update) and if I'm using less than I create, it pumps out to the grid and my meter reads that and my bill is adjusted for that. That's why my power bill is so freaking low. I usually run more out than I use in the fall and spring - winter being this low is a first for me. Come this spring, when it's getting back to the 50s and 60s again, this solar heater is going to really crank up how much the power company owes me (and how much less I "pay" in the summer since my AC is not on solar).

[ - ] 3Whuurs 1 point 3.5 yearsDec 19, 2021 00:04:18 ago (+1/-0)

That’s impressive!! Congrats

Did you happen to check into the aluminum screen version of this I mentioned on your OP ?

[ - ] totes_magotes [op] 0 points 3.5 yearsDec 19, 2021 00:12:25 ago (+0/-0)

I've looked into it, yes. And I will try to make a smaller version and see if that's as usable as it looks.

[ - ] 1Icemonkey 1 point 3.5 yearsDec 18, 2021 19:46:47 ago (+1/-0)

What about like 2” abs instead of corrugated, or whatever size would fit over your clear tubing. In fact, why not just use the 2” abs alone? It’s thicker than corrugated. Idk, I don’t get all this, I do know about passive pool solar though.

[ - ] totes_magotes [op] 0 points 3.5 yearsDec 18, 2021 20:04:14 ago (+0/-0)

Because I'm learning about shit as I go and I had a hell of a time figuring out that it is, in fact, called "corrugated pipe." In any case, the inner hoses are 2.5 inch. The corrugated pipe is 3 inch. I figure if I really wanted to, I could sandwich some kind of insulation in there.

[ - ] PostWallHelena 1 point 3.5 yearsDec 18, 2021 18:58:45 ago (+1/-0)

Nice job totes and thanks for the update you sly guy! Every penny saved is one less penny to the jews.

[ - ] totes_magotes [op] 0 points 3.5 yearsDec 18, 2021 19:12:39 ago (+0/-0)

Aye. And one step closer to self-sufficiency.

[ - ] deleted 1 point 3.5 yearsDec 18, 2021 18:44:56 ago (+1/-0)

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[ - ] totes_magotes [op] 0 points 3.5 yearsDec 18, 2021 18:48:00 ago (+0/-0)

Thank you!

Eh, it's not quite that much here. I hit $250 one month this past summer but I was going through a spell where I just wanted the house cold.

[ - ] PawpawMan 1 point 3.5 yearsDec 18, 2021 14:54:14 ago (+1/-0)

Can I see your setup? Link to first post?

[ - ] totes_magotes [op] 0 points 3.5 yearsDec 18, 2021 16:26:52 ago (+0/-0)

[ - ] deleted 1 point 3.5 yearsDec 18, 2021 14:16:06 ago (+1/-0)

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[ - ] totes_magotes [op] 0 points 3.5 yearsDec 18, 2021 16:27:12 ago (+0/-0)

No chance for geothermal where I live.

[ - ] deleted 0 points 3.5 yearsDec 20, 2021 02:01:57 ago (+0/-0)

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[ - ] TheSimulacra 1 point 3.5 yearsDec 18, 2021 14:12:01 ago (+1/-0)

Would you mind posting the previous picture you took, along with the updates you've made?
Thank you for sharing all this.

If you ran corregated pipe underground, could you push air through it in the summer to cool the space down?

[ - ] totes_magotes [op] 0 points 3.5 yearsDec 18, 2021 16:28:02 ago (+0/-0)

https://www.voat.xyz/viewpost?postid=6191d0fab2eb4

Eh, maybe. But I'd sooner pull air up from the basement/crawlspace (it's half basement, half crawlspace) which tends to stay at 55 year round.

[ - ] thebearfromstartrack4 0 points 3.5 yearsDec 19, 2021 02:07:35 ago (+0/-0)

I Can't make sense out of this. What pipes? Where the fuck are they? hot water heater? Or furnace? electric heat? what a dumbass.