It doesn't add up, either he only drove 1000 miles for 10 years or he bought it used, in which case he's an idiot. You don't buy a 2012 model that's about to become a moneypit, the battery is out of warranty at that point.
The article says that, the source does not. The owner said "the first 1500 km was nice" followed immediately by the mention of error codes and the car being stuck at service.
He didn't average 10 miles/year for 10 years, he's a chump who bought a used car with a worn out battery.
Assuming it's 1-2 bad modules you can do the repair somewhere else, a car dealer won't mend your IC engine either.
Are you assuming the article was based solely off the video?
I'll reiterate that a car which requires a new car worth of parts every ten years is trash. If I bought a second hand petrol or diesel car of that age it'd probably need work, but not $20,000 worth of work unless it was used in a destruction derby or something.
Are you assuming the article was based solely off the video?
What is the source for him being the original owner? What was the total mileage? "He was _apparently_ among the early buyers" is journalist-speak for "I'm pulling this out of my ass"
I'll reiterate that a car which requires a new car worth of parts every ten years is trash
I've seen TCO comparisons to other luxury cars, it's still cheaper. I've also seen the Model S Plaid and think it's shit, but those are subjective reasons.
What is the source for him being the original owner?
I have no idea, I didn't write the article. Picking the one line inconvenient to your claims and assuming it's false for reasons is ridiculous.
I've seen TCO comparisons to other luxury cars, it's still cheaper. I've also seen the Model S Plaid and think it's shit, but those are subjective reasons.
Ok, but that's part of the problem. EVs have to be compared to luxury cars because it's the only price point where they make any sense. They cannot compete against regular petrol or diesel vehicles because they're a money sink.
"Apparently" is not a source. The article has no more information in it than what the video provides, it's blogspam.
Make up your mind. First you complained because that quote wasn't in the video, now you're claiming everything in the article is in the video.
It's not a case of "have to be compared", the Model S has always been a luxury car, you can't compare it to a corolla.
It's a luxury car because "I have money to burn" is the only market segment that can afford tens of thousands of dollars just in energy storage. And that's with all the subsidies.
No EV can do what a petrol car does at the price it does it.
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It may have been left out in the subzero cold and depleted once or twice, causing some key cells to be destroyed and significantly lowering the range of the whole pack.
I called this when Li-Ion electric cars got popular, and they said "No, these batteries last "the lifetime" of the vehicle." Yeah, if you do like they want and trade it in every 2 years. Dumbasses.
Which isn't to say, like, I've done way more than 20k of maintenance on my BMWs, but I expect that. The idiots with the electric cars always claim they are maintenance free.
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Either way a car that needs $20,000 of reinvestment every ten years is an absolutely trash waste of resources.
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The article says that, the source does not. The owner said "the first 1500 km was nice" followed immediately by the mention of error codes and the car being stuck at service.
He didn't average 10 miles/year for 10 years, he's a chump who bought a used car with a worn out battery.
Assuming it's 1-2 bad modules you can do the repair somewhere else, a car dealer won't mend your IC engine either.
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Are you assuming the article was based solely off the video?
I'll reiterate that a car which requires a new car worth of parts every ten years is trash. If I bought a second hand petrol or diesel car of that age it'd probably need work, but not $20,000 worth of work unless it was used in a destruction derby or something.
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What is the source for him being the original owner? What was the total mileage? "He was _apparently_ among the early buyers" is journalist-speak for "I'm pulling this out of my ass"
I've seen TCO comparisons to other luxury cars, it's still cheaper. I've also seen the Model S Plaid and think it's shit, but those are subjective reasons.
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I have no idea, I didn't write the article. Picking the one line inconvenient to your claims and assuming it's false for reasons is ridiculous.
Ok, but that's part of the problem. EVs have to be compared to luxury cars because it's the only price point where they make any sense. They cannot compete against regular petrol or diesel vehicles because they're a money sink.
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"Apparently" is not a source. The article has no more information in it than what the video provides, it's blogspam.
It's not a case of "have to be compared", the Model S has always been a luxury car, you can't compare it to a corolla.
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Make up your mind. First you complained because that quote wasn't in the video, now you're claiming everything in the article is in the video.
It's a luxury car because "I have money to burn" is the only market segment that can afford tens of thousands of dollars just in energy storage. And that's with all the subsidies.
No EV can do what a petrol car does at the price it does it.
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The energy cost for EV's is half of gas cars, depending on the region.
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The explosives expert actually owns an effects business if I recall.
Edit: They put this on the Beyond the Press channel as well. That's the one I'm subbed to. Pommijätkät is the explosives company channel.
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Lol. People really believe whatever they read. Truly ridiculous.
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Which isn't to say, like, I've done way more than 20k of maintenance on my BMWs, but I expect that. The idiots with the electric cars always claim they are maintenance free.
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it's 8 years for the battery
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I don't buy the article
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