Most people aren't aware of it but most countries try to run a food surplus by artificially subsidising farmers and paying them to produce more food than is needed and keep prices up by destroying a portion of their crop or sometimes funelling it into the subsaharan breeding programs we all know and love.
Now it's entirely possible they're aggressively expanding these programs to drive up food prices (wouldn't be surprised) but the video doesn't give details on that.
As an aside, I do think it's advantageous to have a food surplus, but this is entirely the wrong way to go about it. If we wanted to go down a central planning big-gov route, it'd make much more sense to subsidise home canning and preservation equipment to ensure individual households naturally build up their own strategic reserve without needing to destroy any food. Or of course we could do that without governments (and many do).
I would like to see one k-12 admin fired and replaced with a cannery in every town. In our town we have a rec-center that you can rent time on various things (pottery studio, dark room, weight room, swimming pool, etc.) a cannery could be just like that; you take a short class or display competency with the equipment and then you rent time.
another thing that is broken is the farmer -> consumer pipeline.
In our town we have a rec-center that you can rent time on various things (pottery studio, dark room, weight room, swimming pool, etc.) a cannery could be just like that; you take a short class or display competency with the equipment and then you rent time.
Speaking to the choir. I'm involved with a group trying to organise all of that including the cannery. There's also an argument to be made for centralising cold storage to a degree. Freezers can get ridiculously efficient when they're all in one place. Like you could keep two years worth of food frozen for dollars per annum. If, say, every ten households organised a big freezer building together they could have very robust long term storage.
Food prices have to keep up with the cost of fuel, fertilizer, and equipment. That means they have to go up with inflation. Otherwise the farm industry collapses.
Food prices are rising faster than ever because inflation is higher than ever.
The lockdowns did not effect farms. Crops grow just the same. Farmers pick thier own crops with machines, there is no labor shortage there. Those excuses are propaganda designed to obfuscate the collapsing purchasing power of the dollar.
Not entirely true. Some crops are 'labor intensive' and the lockdowns prevented some farmers from harvesting in a timely manner. Crops have to be harvested within a narrow window of opportunity to maximize profit. Outside of that window and the value of the crop drops precipitously.
Worse, however, was that buyers were not taking crops because they couldn't get the necessary help to process the crop even if the farmer got it to them at the right time. People don't realize just how complex the chain is that gets food to your mouth. That is why it is so important to learn how to raise edible plants and animals.
The lockdowns did not effect farms. Crops grow just the same. Farmers pick thier own crops with machines, there is no labor shortage there.
Depends on the crop and the size of the farm. Even if it can be harvested by machine the farm might be too big for the owner to do it alone, and the machines will consume fuel. A lot of it.
Plus, like I said, distribution is all over the place because of lockdowns and spiking fuel prices. It doesn't matter how efficient the farmer is if his product can't reach customers.
What do farm subsidies have to do with supply chains? This is a post claiming that the government is using farm subsidies to create food shortages that raise prices. I am specifically addressing the claim that the government is doing that to a greater extent now which is the cause of rising food prices.
That is not the case, as I have explained. WTF are you talking about?
Food prices have to keep up with the cost of fuel, fertilizer, and equipment. That means they have to go up with inflation. Otherwise the farm industry collapses.
Pointing out that it's not just inflation affecting those things, they're also directly affected by government energy and agricultural policy.
Also the core point of the video (I agree exaggerated or fake) is that the government is pushing food prices up. I mentioned some downstream mechanisms (like supply chaings) helping it along.
The government has always been keeping food prices from collapsing below operation costs. Therfore it is incorrect to claim that it is the government which is responsible for the current accelerated inflation of food. The correct explanation for that is, as I stated, the inflation of farming costs.
The government has always been keeping food prices from collapsing below operation costs. Therfore it is incorrect to claim that it is the government which is responsible for the current accelerated inflation of food.
So they're responsible for keeping food prices high, but totally not responsible for food prices being high?
The correct explanation for that is, as I stated, the inflation of farming costs.
Yes. Farming costs like fuel, which the government is causing to increase with policies like carbon taxes.
[ - ] o0shad0o 1 point 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 09:32:28 ago (+1/-0)
I don't think subsidizing home canning would make much of a dent, and it'd wind up causing problems in other ways. Government stockpiling of canned goods would work better for keeping surplus production running IMO. Though I don't like central planning.
I fully agree, central planning causes more problems than solutions. Just saying that'd be the lesser of two evils in my book: Let families make their own decisions on what kind of food security they actually need.
What fantastic imaginary government are you talking about? 'Families' are implicitly white supremacy racist. So is forethought. You stupid filthy goyim.
I grew up in Agriculture. My dad farmed some land as a side business and my uncles were full-time farmers/ranchers. I still live in an agricultural area, but don't farm or ranch. I've never heard of a government program where a farmer was paid to destroy crops or livestock. (I think there is something for destroying diseased livestock, but I'm not sure because I haven't dealt with that issue.)
Farmers get subsidies if their crops are damaged (think drought or other severe weather) and produce less than their average yield. This happened in my area in 2020 and 2021. In the past, farmers were paid to take land out of production and keep it out for a set number of years (Conservation Reserve Program), but there was no subsidized crop destruction.
A couple of things I laughed at in the video were the use of a lawnmower and a padfoot compactor to destroy crops. Why would either of these pieces of machinery be used for such a job? It would take an inordinate amount of time to destroy one acre using this equipment let alone millions of acres. If this were real the farmer would use either chemicals or tillage equipment such as a disc tiller.
Friend of mine is a farmer in Nebraska. He says it's bullshit too. References to Agent Orange immediately tipped him off it was bullshit. For me, dumping oil on the ground? Come the fuck on, nobody is going to tell you to do that. That's fucking retarded.
Bottom line, USDA subsidies currently incentivise farmers to raise animals and grow crops the market does not require, so effectively they're being paid to destroy them.
They also pay farmers directly to reduce supply, because Greta is angry again:
Also, I can't speak for the US, but the practice of paying farmers to produce food then destroy it is common in many countries. For example in france a lot of wine producers are paid to turn it into industrial alcohol. Not because the country needs more industrial alcohol, just because the government wants votes from struggling vinyards.
A couple of things I laughed at in the video were the use of a lawnmower and a padfoot compactor to destroy crops. Why would either of these pieces of machinery be used for such a job? It would take an inordinate amount of time to destroy one acre using this equipment let alone millions of acres. If this were real the farmer would use either chemicals or tillage equipment such as a disc tiller.
Yeah, that stood out to me too. I was trying to work out what the fuel would be like to do that.
[ - ] qwop 1 point 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 13:55:59 ago (+1/-0)
The oil dumping clip was actually verified to be a trolling video by the maker himself. That clip has been going around for a while. He thought it was funny and would teach the "town folks" a lesson. I didn't think it was funny at all, but what do I know. I suspect many of the other clips are farmers trying to outdo themselves with their "trolling".
Not only are they spineless twats, but they'll call the government nazis for doing this. Let's see, which ideology is known for food shortages and famine? National Socialism! Oh wait, no, it's communism, and on more than one occasion.
The farmers don't need your sympathy. They are getting paid 1.5X market rate to destroy their crops. The people in this video are sending a warning out to non-farmers about what is going on.
[ + ] natehiggers
[ - ] natehiggers 8 points 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 07:42:25 ago (+8/-0)
[ + ] Broc_Liath
[ - ] Broc_Liath 6 points 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 08:24:54 ago (+6/-0)
Most people aren't aware of it but most countries try to run a food surplus by artificially subsidising farmers and paying them to produce more food than is needed and keep prices up by destroying a portion of their crop or sometimes funelling it into the subsaharan breeding programs we all know and love.
Now it's entirely possible they're aggressively expanding these programs to drive up food prices (wouldn't be surprised) but the video doesn't give details on that.
As an aside, I do think it's advantageous to have a food surplus, but this is entirely the wrong way to go about it. If we wanted to go down a central planning big-gov route, it'd make much more sense to subsidise home canning and preservation equipment to ensure individual households naturally build up their own strategic reserve without needing to destroy any food. Or of course we could do that without governments (and many do).
[ + ] GoldenAgeWhen
[ - ] GoldenAgeWhen 3 points 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 09:56:00 ago (+3/-0)
another thing that is broken is the farmer -> consumer pipeline.
[ + ] Broc_Liath
[ - ] Broc_Liath 2 points 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 09:59:58 ago (+2/-0)
Speaking to the choir. I'm involved with a group trying to organise all of that including the cannery. There's also an argument to be made for centralising cold storage to a degree. Freezers can get ridiculously efficient when they're all in one place. Like you could keep two years worth of food frozen for dollars per annum. If, say, every ten households organised a big freezer building together they could have very robust long term storage.
How so? As in dependent on gibs?
[ + ] canbot
[ - ] canbot 3 points 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 10:13:31 ago (+3/-0)
Food prices are rising faster than ever because inflation is higher than ever.
[ + ] Broc_Liath
[ - ] Broc_Liath 1 point 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 10:29:29 ago (+2/-1)
[ + ] canbot
[ - ] canbot 4 points 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 10:53:22 ago (+4/-0)
[ + ] FalseRealityCheck
[ - ] FalseRealityCheck 2 points 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 12:21:16 ago (+2/-0)
Worse, however, was that buyers were not taking crops because they couldn't get the necessary help to process the crop even if the farmer got it to them at the right time. People don't realize just how complex the chain is that gets food to your mouth. That is why it is so important to learn how to raise edible plants and animals.
[ + ] Broc_Liath
[ - ] Broc_Liath 1 point 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 16:00:16 ago (+1/-0)
Depends on the crop and the size of the farm. Even if it can be harvested by machine the farm might be too big for the owner to do it alone, and the machines will consume fuel. A lot of it.
Plus, like I said, distribution is all over the place because of lockdowns and spiking fuel prices. It doesn't matter how efficient the farmer is if his product can't reach customers.
[ + ] canbot
[ - ] canbot 0 points 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 19:46:34 ago (+0/-0)
That is not the case, as I have explained. WTF are you talking about?
[ + ] Broc_Liath
[ - ] Broc_Liath 0 points 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 23:48:41 ago (+0/-0)
Pointing out that it's not just inflation affecting those things, they're also directly affected by government energy and agricultural policy.
Also the core point of the video (I agree exaggerated or fake) is that the government is pushing food prices up. I mentioned some downstream mechanisms (like supply chaings) helping it along.
[ + ] canbot
[ - ] canbot 0 points 3.4 yearsJan 16, 2022 21:08:40 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Broc_Liath
[ - ] Broc_Liath 0 points 3.4 yearsJan 16, 2022 23:16:13 ago (+0/-0)
So they're responsible for keeping food prices high, but totally not responsible for food prices being high?
Yes. Farming costs like fuel, which the government is causing to increase with policies like carbon taxes.
[ + ] o0shad0o
[ - ] o0shad0o 1 point 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 09:32:28 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Broc_Liath
[ - ] Broc_Liath 1 point 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 09:56:48 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] VitaminSieg
[ - ] VitaminSieg 2 points 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 11:52:25 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] WanderingToast
[ - ] WanderingToast 1 point 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 19:19:34 ago (+1/-0)
Without intervention the industry collapses
[ + ] SparklingWiggle
[ - ] SparklingWiggle 0 points 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 07:56:39 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] natehiggers
[ - ] natehiggers 3 points 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 08:03:39 ago (+3/-0)
[ + ] SparklingWiggle
[ - ] SparklingWiggle 0 points 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 08:28:18 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] natehiggers
[ - ] natehiggers 2 points 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 08:34:53 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] FalseRealityCheck
[ - ] FalseRealityCheck 1 point 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 09:37:54 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] natehiggers
[ - ] natehiggers 0 points 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 10:18:51 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] FalseRealityCheck
[ - ] FalseRealityCheck 2 points 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 10:53:47 ago (+2/-0)
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffsb&q=the+great+depression&ia=web
[ + ] FalseRealityCheck
[ - ] FalseRealityCheck 5 points 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 10:16:07 ago (+5/-0)
I grew up in Agriculture. My dad farmed some land as a side business and my uncles were full-time farmers/ranchers. I still live in an agricultural area, but don't farm or ranch. I've never heard of a government program where a farmer was paid to destroy crops or livestock. (I think there is something for destroying diseased livestock, but I'm not sure because I haven't dealt with that issue.)
Farmers get subsidies if their crops are damaged (think drought or other severe weather) and produce less than their average yield. This happened in my area in 2020 and 2021. In the past, farmers were paid to take land out of production and keep it out for a set number of years (Conservation Reserve Program), but there was no subsidized crop destruction.
A couple of things I laughed at in the video were the use of a lawnmower and a padfoot compactor to destroy crops. Why would either of these pieces of machinery be used for such a job? It would take an inordinate amount of time to destroy one acre using this equipment let alone millions of acres. If this were real the farmer would use either chemicals or tillage equipment such as a disc tiller.
[ + ] CRKT_M16Z
[ - ] CRKT_M16Z 3 points 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 10:29:20 ago (+3/-0)
[ + ] FalseRealityCheck
[ - ] FalseRealityCheck 3 points 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 10:57:14 ago (+3/-0)
This video is simply cancer. The Qtard shit is more believable.
[ + ] Broc_Liath
[ - ] Broc_Liath 1 point 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 10:37:33 ago (+1/-0)
Here's a more nuanced article: https://www.greenmatters.com/p/government-paying-farmers-destroy-crops
Bottom line, USDA subsidies currently incentivise farmers to raise animals and grow crops the market does not require, so effectively they're being paid to destroy them.
They also pay farmers directly to reduce supply, because Greta is angry again:
https://thecounter.org/biden-administration-farmers-conservation-reserve-crp-usda-vilsack/
Also, I can't speak for the US, but the practice of paying farmers to produce food then destroy it is common in many countries. For example in france a lot of wine producers are paid to turn it into industrial alcohol. Not because the country needs more industrial alcohol, just because the government wants votes from struggling vinyards.
Yeah, that stood out to me too. I was trying to work out what the fuel would be like to do that.
[ + ] qwop
[ - ] qwop 1 point 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 13:55:59 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] GoatsAdvocate
[ - ] GoatsAdvocate 0 points 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 13:51:25 ago (+1/-1)
[ + ] Nosferatjew
[ - ] Nosferatjew 2 points 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 13:26:20 ago (+2/-0)
Ok. Whatever you say.
Spineless twats.
[ + ] IfuckedYerMum
[ - ] IfuckedYerMum 0 points 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 21:21:01 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] mikenigger
[ - ] mikenigger 1 point 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 21:00:06 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] youregay
[ - ] youregay 1 point 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 08:10:17 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] ymihere
[ - ] ymihere 0 points 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 21:05:13 ago (+0/-0)
But farmers are subsidized for some things and paid to not grow other things… https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/why-does-the-govt-pay-farmers
Geez people…research shit before you post it…even though Biden wants to cut our cow farts, Stacey abrams won’t comply!
[ + ] oldblo
[ - ] oldblo 0 points 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 16:30:34 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Paradoxical003
[ - ] Paradoxical003 0 points 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 13:45:48 ago (+0/-0)
These assholes need to be handed with the rest of their ilk when the day of the rope arrives.
[ + ] TopTierCIAShill
[ - ] TopTierCIAShill 0 points 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 12:22:15 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] thebearfromstartrack4
[ - ] thebearfromstartrack4 0 points 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 12:11:46 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Shotinthedark
[ - ] Shotinthedark 0 points 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 11:44:58 ago (+0/-0)
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[ - ] Qwertytoal 0 points 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 11:22:33 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] GoyimNose_1948
[ - ] GoyimNose_1948 0 points 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 10:08:42 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] NeoNazirite
[ - ] NeoNazirite 0 points 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 09:14:53 ago (+1/-1)
I can't spare sympathy for these farmers
[ + ] FalseRealityCheck
[ - ] FalseRealityCheck 1 point 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 09:37:18 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] NeoNazirite
[ - ] NeoNazirite 2 points 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 11:15:49 ago (+2/-0)
The farmers are slaves to the system. And they get what they deserve.
[ + ] FalseRealityCheck
[ - ] FalseRealityCheck 0 points 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 12:23:21 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Paradoxical003
[ - ] Paradoxical003 0 points 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 13:46:55 ago (+0/-0)
These fuckers deserve to swing from gallows for what they are doing.
[ + ] SparklingWiggle
[ - ] SparklingWiggle 0 points 3.4 yearsJan 14, 2022 07:56:01 ago (+0/-0)