Never forget it was Protestants who ended slavery in 1807 long before the civil war and created the United States including the concept that a man was born with inalienable rights that were not dependent on a pope or king.
Protestantism was the foundation for the constitution. Not general christianity. Certainly not catholicism. Only one Catholic signed the declaration of Independence Charles Carroll. No Jews signed.
Protestantism originated the idea of the independence of man's inalienable rights from any authority on Earth including the pope or a king. That was a distinct Protestant difference. No other religion believes that. Every other religion believes that only certain practitioners of their religions should survive and have rights. Only protestantism believes that all people have rights.
This was the origin of the end of slavery which contrary to modern education began with the foundation of the United States with Thomas Jefferson and others arguing for the end of slavery immediately upon the signing of the constitution in 1787. They previously ended slavery and worked ending slavery in many of their own colonies. They wanted to end it immediately with the Constitution but feared they could not get all the colonies to sign the Constitution if they ended it immediately and there needed to be an economic transition from slavery to non-slavery because the banks used slaves as collateral and the quote "owners" of the slaves who had plantations with mortgages like Thomas Jefferson didn't actually own the slaves themselves. It was the banks that owned the slaves as collateral for loans on the land.
It was deemed 20 years was enough time for a transition primarily because the lives of the slaves as functional collateral would be ended and the banks would have no call for new slaves as collateral and economic impact would have dissipated on its own. Thus in the original Constitution it is noted no end to slavery shall take place before 20 years from the signing of the document which contrary to how it reads is actually a statement of the intent of the founders to end slavery as soon as possible and their intent to do it when the Constitution itself was written.
Indeed the founders of the United States followed up ending the slave trade immediately with the law in 1807 exactly 20 years after 1787 signing of the Constitution which forbid the slave trade in the United States and it even forbid ships for being outfitted for the slave trade in other parts of the world. No ships manufactured in the United States could be outfitted for the slave trade ever again as soon it was as it was legally possible to make such a law. And the importation of any New slaves into the United States was forbidden. This effectively ended the slave trade as it was known at that time since there did not exist any domestic production and breeding of slaves up until that moment.
*So slavery as it was known and as it had existed prior to the Protestants taking control of the country in 1787 was effectively ended by the founders of the United states in 1807.**
It was only because slavers invented new ways to avoid those laws that slavery continued.
This is never discussed and it's often taught erroneously that the founders of the country enjoyed slavery and participated in slavery and wanted slavery to continue and the United States wanted slavery to continue until the civil War stopped it. And this is false. It is an intentional lie to besmerch the founders of the country and discredit their incredible moral leadership for the country and the world.
Dialectic? Are you some kind of communist that likes using that word? How is that word relevant to anything I said? Better yet, can you give a definition of that word without sounding like a complete idiot?
Protestantism was the foundation for the constitution. Not general christianity.
Deism was. They didn’t want to alienate their jewish friends at the masonic lodge.
Never forget it was Protestants who ended slavery in 1807 long before the civil war
Proddies were the owners of the majority of the slaves in the american south and they purchased those slaves from jews. Elite white protestants could have hired poor whites but it was cheaper to buy violent niggers and polute the country because shekels. It was a degenrate practice similar to what the nobility were doing in europe and similar to what the elites are doing now.
Catholic and protestant elites both indulged in slave labor which fucked over working class whites. Protestant and Catholic elites both used slave labor and coolies to produce tobacco, rum, coffee, tea, and opium to addict working class whites to pay for their estates. And they dealt with jewish slavers and userers to do it. And they waged brother wars against fellow whites for shekels. SHEKELS!
The dutch and british empires were built on addiction and usury and exploiting non-white labor instead of paying whites. Just like the catholic countries. Look at what protestant england and oliver cromwell did to ireland. They stole their land and made them live off potatoes while half the food was exported to england to fuel their industrial revolution. And we know how that ended. Protestants shipped food OUT of starving Ireland. For shekels.
Now.
There are many great achievements of the protestant countries— most of them are due to the traits inherent to GERMANICS, not protestantism. I like the idea of predestination because it demonstrates an understanding that you can’t save everyone. Some are just born to be bad. I like the plain movements like the amish for their understanding that ostentation and status seeking is an inefficient behavior and the reason shitskin countries are so corrupt. The amish were also right about decentralization of legal authority.
However the catholics had monogamy right. Divorce is just polygyny and polygyny is dysgenic and the source of most societal corruption and massive wealth disparity. Look at the muslims. The catholics were right about forcing the clergy to be poor and celibate. If you let priests marry, they eventually become an evil manipulative priestly caste like the jews.
And protestants went “back to the book” for their morality which was a more jew-centric world view. Catholics had , correctly imo, adjusted christian morality to suit white gentile society. Catholicism had a better thought out dogma which focused on how not to be a scumbag degenerate and avoid hell. Whereas the protestants decided to interpret for themselves what the bible wanted them to do, which is how the puritans eventually became the unitarians, which are about the worst most woke christianity there is. The bible tends to be, well, jewish.
We can go back and forth finding dirtbags in both the protestant or catholic categories. There are aspects of each group that are worthy and aspects that are corrupt. In general you will find more corruption in places like italy and spain but that is due to a racial difference. Also you will find more degeneracy at the very top and bottom of society and not so much in the middle. If you study these two trends you will realize that protestantisms “successes” are relatively coincidental.
Protestantism is like a collection of 50 radically different sects only united by the virtue of not being catholic anyway. How is that a recipe for success? Nigger baptists are protestant. Are they better than nigger catholics?
Never forget it was the protestants who were duplicitous hypocrites and didn't allow freedom of religion unless it was their approved version. One example, the French Catholics had settled in Maryland, but then the "puritans" migrated in and banned any practice of Catholicism.
nice try on dodging the reality of protestants being hypocrites.
but on to your claim, i don't know any Catholic who engages in idol worship. not sure where syncretism comes in, but it would seem that protestants are more guilty of that than Catholics, with the proliferation of "denominations". how many denominations are there in the US alone? THOUSANDS? which one is right? which one is wrong? was Calvin correct? or was it Luther? or John Knox? Maybe William Tyndale or Joseph Smith? or how about Charles Taze Russel? You want to talk about syncretism, than maybe look in the protestant realm for that.
Here are just a few sentences from this break-down;
The Roman Catholic Church has been using the methodology of syncretism by including the gods of the nations since it's beginning.
The early church of the Third Century which became the Catholic Church began by including pagan beliefs into the doctrines of that movement. They began to include Greek ideas into their theology early on.
Augustine also said he learned the "invisible things" from the Greeks.
Here are some ways in which the Catholic Church syncretized elements from other religions, particularly from Babylon and Egypt.
The symbol of the Church of Rome became the woman with a cross in her left hand, and a cup in her right. It was said that "the whole world is her seat."
Back to me:
Even today, they practice Virgin worship of Mary, and pass it off as 'veneration', which is still worship. Going to far as to call her "Queen of Heaven".
There is plenty of blame to go around, for the denominations and individual errant churches, however, two wrongs don't make a right. And deflecting toward others who profess Christ and have their own problems doesn't resolve the massive issue that is Catholicism's claim that it is Christian when it demonstrably goes against core tenets lined out in the New Testament, most flagrantly with it's idolatry. Catholicism is from the beginning, a tool of Satan.
[ - ] CHIRO 1 point 2.8 yearsSep 9, 2022 18:51:42 ago (+1/-0)
Haha. I barely have the energy for it, honestly. I'm also 99% of the way to abandoning Christianity. I won't say what for. But the idea that Protestants are responsible for these values is a joke. The water started bubbling in Renaissance Italy. I mean, consider Erasmus for God's sake. He was a Catholic. He recognized Lutheran theology eliminated any meaningful free will, and you don't get the kind of humanism that was characteristic of so-called American values without absolute free will.
Erasmus was opposed to the Reformation. But even as a Catholic he was supporting greater and greater religious tolerance and ecumenism within the Church.
Christianity has a theological Achilles heel, a very serious one, when it comes to political nationalism. Ya know, when they decided that a national revelation (the Jewish one) would be opened up wide to any and every barbarian group they could find, and that Jesus wanted to establish a world church for the gentiles, well, you've already opened yourself up to all of the problems we'd see in the future.
I also dispute that the American project was first a Protestant one. Hardly. I consider it a Jewish project first and foremost. After the destruction of the second temple, the Jews started moving west and went all the way to Spain. Who financed Columbus to find the new world? I think America was a lifeboat that later turned into a shylock for Israel. And the entire Idea of the US has been mostly a 250-yr long fever dream. Haym Salomon.
the pope was speaking out against slavery in the 1500s and forced the spaniards to start giving rights to the enslaved latinos or whatever youd call them back then.. niggertinos
Protestants started the concept of brother wars, pitting christians against christians.
All protestant rulers embraced jew finance.
All protestant rulers looted the Catholic churches, expelled those who did not obey their "state above church" doctrine and slaughtered Catholics.
Protestantism is ripping one eye out and making sense of the world to laugh at the blind atheists and pagans, with zero regard for tradition that goes beyond a generation.
Protestantism allows secret societies because it cannot forbid individual belief, for that goes against their own values. The values change according to their whim and personal interpretation of the Holy Bible.
Worst of all, it denies sanctity, reducing all men to the same denominator where even that who sacrificed his own life to Christ with a serial rapist murderer that claims to regret his action a second before his execution.
Protestantism is almost luciferian in that it places human understanding above the mystery of God's action, always placing our current rationale as the utmost value to Christian doctrine, as a scientific dogma that cannot assert that sometimes, our flawed human nature cannot decipher that which is from God.
Pray for the protestants, because they can regain their lost eye, with enough humility to the thousand-and-half years of strife the Church of God through Peter endured. After all, sola scriptura means you also need to accept Matthew 16:18.
Protestants are blind in one eye. Orthodox Christians place fuzzy eyedrops in the same eye when they wake up. Its so much so that both churches recognize saintlyhood and miracles from one another.
Everyone makes mom jokes. Its not typical to announce she’s dead. Lots of people have dead moms but they don’t take it as an opportunity to ruin a good joke and elicit sympathy. Did she just die of covid or something? I think you must have been close to your mom. This is a beautiful new sentimental side of you that I have not seen before.
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Ending it meant less total import. Or would you rather live in 25 do 85?
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Catholic and protestant elites both indulged in slave labor which fucked over working class whites. Protestant and Catholic elites both used slave labor and coolies to produce tobacco, rum, coffee, tea, and opium to addict working class whites to pay for their estates. And they dealt with jewish slavers and userers to do it. And they waged brother wars against fellow whites for shekels. SHEKELS!
The dutch and british empires were built on addiction and usury and exploiting non-white labor instead of paying whites. Just like the catholic countries. Look at what protestant england and oliver cromwell did to ireland. They stole their land and made them live off potatoes while half the food was exported to england to fuel their industrial revolution. And we know how that ended. Protestants shipped food OUT of starving Ireland. For shekels.
Now.
There are many great achievements of the protestant countries— most of them are due to the traits inherent to GERMANICS, not protestantism. I like the idea of predestination because it demonstrates an understanding that you can’t save everyone. Some are just born to be bad. I like the plain movements like the amish for their understanding that ostentation and status seeking is an inefficient behavior and the reason shitskin countries are so corrupt. The amish were also right about decentralization of legal authority.
However the catholics had monogamy right. Divorce is just polygyny and polygyny is dysgenic and the source of most societal corruption and massive wealth disparity. Look at the muslims. The catholics were right about forcing the clergy to be poor and celibate. If you let priests marry, they eventually become an evil manipulative priestly caste like the jews.
And protestants went “back to the book” for their morality which was a more jew-centric world view. Catholics had , correctly imo, adjusted christian morality to suit white gentile society. Catholicism had a better thought out dogma which focused on how not to be a scumbag degenerate and avoid hell. Whereas the protestants decided to interpret for themselves what the bible wanted them to do, which is how the puritans eventually became the unitarians, which are about the worst most woke christianity there is. The bible tends to be, well, jewish.
We can go back and forth finding dirtbags in both the protestant or catholic categories. There are aspects of each group that are worthy and aspects that are corrupt. In general you will find more corruption in places like italy and spain but that is due to a racial difference. Also you will find more degeneracy at the very top and bottom of society and not so much in the middle. If you study these two trends you will realize that protestantisms “successes” are relatively coincidental.
Protestantism is like a collection of 50 radically different sects only united by the virtue of not being catholic anyway. How is that a recipe for success? Nigger baptists are protestant. Are they better than nigger catholics?
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Why are Lutherans such faggots?
Jews I'm sure
[ + ] HowDoYouDoFellowNiggers
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Fuck off with your white guilt. You're not going to heaven for proclaiming your love for Africans. Fucking gay dude.
Post this shit in v/ImNotRacist so the cringe is categorized and on full display
https://www.voat.xyz/viewpost?postid=631d21fcebf81
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but on to your claim, i don't know any Catholic who engages in idol worship. not sure where syncretism comes in, but it would seem that protestants are more guilty of that than Catholics, with the proliferation of "denominations". how many denominations are there in the US alone? THOUSANDS? which one is right? which one is wrong? was Calvin correct? or was it Luther? or John Knox? Maybe William Tyndale or Joseph Smith? or how about Charles Taze Russel? You want to talk about syncretism, than maybe look in the protestant realm for that.
[ + ] Love240
[ - ] Love240 -1 points 2.8 yearsSep 14, 2022 00:11:46 ago (+0/-1)
http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/catholicsyncretism.html
Here are just a few sentences from this break-down;
The Roman Catholic Church has been using the methodology of syncretism by including the gods of the nations since it's beginning.
The early church of the Third Century which became the Catholic Church began by including pagan beliefs into the doctrines of that movement. They began to include Greek ideas into their theology early on.
Augustine also said he learned the "invisible things" from the Greeks.
Here are some ways in which the Catholic Church syncretized elements from other religions, particularly from Babylon and Egypt.
The symbol of the Church of Rome became the woman with a cross in her left hand, and a cup in her right. It was said that "the whole world is her seat."
Back to me:
Even today, they practice Virgin worship of Mary, and pass it off as 'veneration', which is still worship. Going to far as to call her "Queen of Heaven".
There is plenty of blame to go around, for the denominations and individual errant churches, however, two wrongs don't make a right. And deflecting toward others who profess Christ and have their own problems doesn't resolve the massive issue that is Catholicism's claim that it is Christian when it demonstrably goes against core tenets lined out in the New Testament, most flagrantly with it's idolatry. Catholicism is from the beginning, a tool of Satan.
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@chiro
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[ - ] CHIRO 1 point 2.8 yearsSep 9, 2022 18:51:42 ago (+1/-0)
Erasmus was opposed to the Reformation. But even as a Catholic he was supporting greater and greater religious tolerance and ecumenism within the Church.
Christianity has a theological Achilles heel, a very serious one, when it comes to political nationalism. Ya know, when they decided that a national revelation (the Jewish one) would be opened up wide to any and every barbarian group they could find, and that Jesus wanted to establish a world church for the gentiles, well, you've already opened yourself up to all of the problems we'd see in the future.
I also dispute that the American project was first a Protestant one. Hardly. I consider it a Jewish project first and foremost. After the destruction of the second temple, the Jews started moving west and went all the way to Spain. Who financed Columbus to find the new world? I think America was a lifeboat that later turned into a shylock for Israel. And the entire Idea of the US has been mostly a 250-yr long fever dream. Haym Salomon.
Anyway. @Crackinjokes
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[ + ] Razzoriel
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All protestant rulers embraced jew finance.
All protestant rulers looted the Catholic churches, expelled those who did not obey their "state above church" doctrine and slaughtered Catholics.
Protestantism is ripping one eye out and making sense of the world to laugh at the blind atheists and pagans, with zero regard for tradition that goes beyond a generation.
Protestantism allows secret societies because it cannot forbid individual belief, for that goes against their own values. The values change according to their whim and personal interpretation of the Holy Bible.
Worst of all, it denies sanctity, reducing all men to the same denominator where even that who sacrificed his own life to Christ with a serial rapist murderer that claims to regret his action a second before his execution.
Protestantism is almost luciferian in that it places human understanding above the mystery of God's action, always placing our current rationale as the utmost value to Christian doctrine, as a scientific dogma that cannot assert that sometimes, our flawed human nature cannot decipher that which is from God.
Pray for the protestants, because they can regain their lost eye, with enough humility to the thousand-and-half years of strife the Church of God through Peter endured. After all, sola scriptura means you also need to accept Matthew 16:18.
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Fuck off
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And white
So youre a necrophiliac
Got it
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Theyre enemies of america
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