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Not to mention, if true, the Germans wouldn't have left any survivors.

The rivers nearby were tested for ash, and the soil was tested for bone fragments that were supposedly crushed. Nothing was found.

There is no evidence that the incinerators were used for anything but lice ridden clothing/ bedsheets and the zyklon was used for its manufactured purpose, fumigation of lice.

Typhus was a huge problem in Eastern Europe at the time and meticulous preparations were made to contain and prevent it. Most deaths in these camps were from typhus, and later starvation as air superiority was maintained by the "allies"

The 4 main historians that were front and center and had all the Intel make almost no mention at all of a holocaust. Like 16,000 pages over 4 books

The German code was broken they were being listened too for over 2 years thousands of hours of taped recordings not one slip up or mention of death camps.

The math is were it really starts for most people it just doesn't add up and is not possible and while fighting a 2 front war for your people and nations survival none of it adds up

I find talking about the allies motivations for fabricating a holocaust and pointing out how convenient it is to be more persuasive.

Try to hit the following points:
- Prior to the war the Allies were aware of the Soviets engaging in mass murder and other atrocities. Cheka, Holodomor, etc.
- Germany invaded Poland over a border dispute. At the same time USSR invaded over a naked land grab. Allies joined USSR and went to war with Germany.
- During the war the Germans were universally considered to be conducting themselves with the utmost honor. There were almost no reports of abuse of civilians or prisoners. Nearly all such reports came from the Russian front.
- Meanwhile the allies were engaging in war crimes. Katyn, Stalin's torch man order, scorched earth and the intentional targeting of civilians with weapons of mass destruction in Dresden, Nagasaki, etc. Had the allies lost they would have been convicted of war crimes.
- In order to even up to par, much less justify their behavior, the allies needed to discover at the Germans has murdered of millions of innocent civilians. Which they conveniently did, but only in the USSR occupied areas where international observers were not allowed to go.

Every time I've gone through this with someone, they've pointed out that if the holocaust didn't happen the allies would have had to invent it.

How about even if the holocaust did happen (which it didn't), the world is still crying over only 6 million dead vs the 20-25 million white people who died in the same war. How about we have a media in the US calling white people supremacists if they don't cry for Jews, and they forget that it was white people from the US who saved their fucking asses to begin with, and lost a lot more numbers in the process. The entire jew sympathy myth is exactly that, a fucking myth, boosted by jew created media and jew created movies to invoke sympathy. Every country Jews appear, you get Usory interest rates and schemes to undermine the entire government. It goes back past Julius Caesar himself getting backstabbed by a fucking Jewish senate, to eventually lead into the Justinean empire where the khazarians installed Justinean and he spends his entire rule shoveling all of Romes loot and Romes church artificacts to the khazarians to be melted down and stolen. History keeps repeating, no sympathy for the devil.

They weren't kicked out of 109 countries across thousands of years by accident.

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Interesting. AND there were similar claims in the areas the Allies took over (that they were death camps killing off jews wholesale for no reason). All were investigated, all were looked at, all were confirmed to be false -the places were simply where jews were locked up.

Yes, jews died in those work camps as the german infrastructure was destroyed by the allies and food became scarce and typhus spread to camp inmates. But we are left to believe that Germany transported the condemned Jews past all of the other work camps all of the way to Poland despite needing rail service for military and other critical war issues. That the otherwise efficient as hell Germans were too stupid to set up a "death camp" closer to where the transportees were or simply put a bullet or an icepick into the back of their heads. That story doesn't make any sense.

Ash? Guy, if the Germans had crematoriums with that degree of efficiency with coal during the mid-1930's to mid-1940's we'd never have had to develop nuclear power. Further, we'd have found pits filled with charred human hearts.

Every city in the world at the time had slaughterhouses right on the rail lines. It makes little sense to transport millions of people from cities, alive, to new encampments to kill them when you've got facilities specifically designed and engineered to effect quick death of cattle.

However, I propose we dismiss applying the holocaust to the Jewish internment camps and apply it to the entirety of the second world war itself. Nearly a hundred million people globally died as a result of the conflict. If that doesn't define a holocaust, nothing will.

I do not think this is a good angle to use as an argument. It can be countered by arguing the German high brass knew they wanted it done, but they had to conceal it from the German masses, whom many would lose loyalty. This was even used in some jew movie where the German high command made it clear in a meeting that Hitler has no knowledge of the extermination while using the "nudge nudge, wink wink" tactic for the audience. The implication being that the National Socialists would be disgraced even in the eyes of the German people if it came to light, because they knew what they were doing was so Evil (tm).