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LOL! Even iron dome rockets are sick of the heebs

submitted by big_fat_dangus to owned 1.5 yearsNov 6, 2023 18:04:55 ago (+30/-1)     (files.catbox.moe)

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[ - ] jigganiggaboo 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 6, 2023 21:14:15 ago (+0/-0)

EverytimeI hear a jew cry about the holocaust I always think of the iron dome alarm you always hear in the videos. Not really sure why

[ - ] Scyber 1 point 1.5 yearsNov 6, 2023 20:07:32 ago (+1/-0)*

Ironic dome.

[ - ] Belfuro 1 point 1.5 yearsNov 6, 2023 20:57:50 ago (+1/-0)

Us tax dollars paid for the iron dome

[ - ] _Obrez 1 point 1.5 yearsNov 6, 2023 23:32:13 ago (+3/-2)

Iron dome isn't a rocket system. It's a chain gun on a computer actuated gimble with lasers rangefinders in a grid with a computer plotting incoming projectile trajectories and firing an 1100rpm+ burst of 7.62 NATO to intercept probable trajectories. That's why it sounds vaguely like an A2 warthog when it fires. Iron dome sound like velcro being ripped but if you could hear it from 6 miles away

This was just rocket artillery.

[ - ] BulletStopper -1 points 1.5 yearsNov 7, 2023 06:15:56 ago (+1/-2)*

Ahem. Look at what just 3 seconds of looking could have found for you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Dome
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-20385306
https://www.usatoday.com/story/graphics/2023/10/10/iron-dome-israel-how-it-works-mapped/71116961007/
https://www.ajc.org/news/5-things-you-need-to-know-about-israels-iron-dome-defense-system

And if you were thinking of the C-RAM, it's this:
https://asc.army.mil/web/portfolio-item/ms-c-ram_lpws/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter_rocket,_artillery,_and_mortar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdVUXkxpYOU
https://interestingengineering.com/innovation/c-ram-an-advanced-automated-point-defense-gatling-gun

20mm, NOT 7.26Nato. Vulcan, NOT a chaingun. (Had one located right oustide our compound in Afghanistan, just on the other side of the hesco wall from my hooch. Fucker would go off every time the hajjis threw a 107 or 122 at us.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M61_Vulcan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_gun

Other than all of that, look at the bright side. You did spell the articles, "a", and, "an", correctly. So there is that...

[ - ] _Obrez -1 points 1.5 yearsNov 7, 2023 12:22:38 ago (+0/-1)

I watched the OG promo videos they released and the first systems weren't 20mm vulcan, nor are most of the systems they have 20mm vulcan I've seen them fired in video and heard the rapport also a fullscale vulcan is overkill for most projectiles, I bet the big vulcan variants are only in a few important locations while the 7.62 NATO are probably being mass manufactured so they can be kept at kabutzes on their front lines so to speak.

[ - ] BulletStopper -1 points 1.5 yearsNov 7, 2023 13:58:09 ago (+0/-1)*

I've seen them fired in video

That's adorable.

And my unit visited the GE factory in Vermont where they made them back in 1984. We got the full briefing. Did you know that they have an antique original brass-pedestal US Navy Gatling gun on display right there as you walk in the office at the test range at Camp Ethan Allen?

While the very first design of "Project Vulcan" back in 1946 was in 0.60-inch (15 mm) caliber, that caliber was quickly found to be insufficient to the task, was quickly replaced, and was never accepted for service.

The system that was first accepted for service in 1959 as the 20mm T171 Vulcan (later redesignated the M61).
After feeding problems with its linked ammunition, it was redesigned with a linkless ammunition feed system and became the M61A1, which subsequently became the standard cannon armament of U.S. fighters, starting with the F-104 Starfighter.

All the other subsequent calibers and uses, such as:
GAU-12 Equalizer – General Electric, 25 mm caliber
GAU-13 – General Electric, 30 mm caliber
GAU-19 – General Electric, 12.7x99 mm caliber
GAU-22 – General Dynamics, 25 mm caliber, 4-barrel version of the GAU-12 mounted internally in the F-35A and in external gun pods on the F-35B and F-35C
GAU-8 Avenger – General Electric, 30 mm caliber
M134 Minigun – 7.62 mm cannon
M163 VADS – self-propelled version of the M61A1 on an M113 armored personnel carrier

...all came later, and NONE of those were ever used in an ADA capacity (unless you want to count one failed attempt back in 1980 by the 9th Infantry Division at Ft. Lewis as part of the "High Technology Test Bed", to use M134s mounted on the back of Jeeps, towing a trailer full of ammo. Spoiler Alert: It never worked and they shit-canned the whole idea.)

An interesting side-note was that there were ADA units deployed to Vietnam with their M163 M113-mounted Vulcans, but they were used for ground defense in convoy operations. You could flatten a lot of jungle with a 20mm at 4,000 rounds per minute, and Mr. Charles would suddenly discover a renewed interest in going back to his hut that night.

The CIWS was a US Navy derivative that was used for close in air defence, and the land-based C-RAM, in both mobile and static applications, was a derivative of the CIWS. All using the M61A1 20mm Vulcan and none other.

And I have also heard the Dillon 7.62x51mm M134D minigun. Very close up as a matter of fact. Literally right in front of me. On multiple occasions. Close enough for me to touch, in fact.

I used one in combat in Afghanistan.

I have heard and seen the 20mm M61A1 cannon on the C-RAM fire from about 100 feet away, engaging incoming 107mm and 122mm rockets being fired at us, and had A-10's fire their 30mm GAU-8 cannon across my unit's front at taliban about 200 meters out at our front.

But, you've seen them fired on video. So there is that to consider.

As strange as this may seem to you, in the face of easily accessed and verifiable facts, I somehow continue to find your assertions of , "I bet...", and, "...probably...", to be somewhat less than entirely convincing.

But, all of that aside, your original statement is still in error. The "Iron Dome" system currently used by israel is a missile based system. Period.

Note: Downvoting the facts don't make them any less true.

[ - ] s23erdctfvyg -1 points 1.5 yearsNov 8, 2023 16:16:47 ago (+0/-1)

... I would like to point out that using alts to upvote your own content is against the site rules. I know it's your alts as everyone knows about israels missile C-RAM system, and most of everyone here laughs at them for it.

[ - ] _Obrez 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 9, 2023 10:54:02 ago (+0/-0)

I don't have alts, seems to me the guy with a faggy alphanumeric nonsense name is probably an alt.

Feel free to report it though, the admin can probably see, it's pretty easy to figure out I'm not alting.

What I'm curious about is why there are so many glow in the dark faggots trying to conflate a relatively modern rocket artillery system with iron dome, iron dome is basically an xbox kinect strapped to a gyroscope mounted chain-gun pointed at the sky over palestinian territory.

[ - ] s23erdctfvyg 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 9, 2023 18:57:55 ago (+0/-0)

Are you jewish?
I don't have alts, seems to me the guy with a faggy alphanumeric nonsense name is probably an alt.
Names are pointless, but identification is useful for detecting malicious groups and users. So I always use random letters and numbers no matter which site I'm on. A quick look at my profile will confirm that I'm not an alt.

Feel free to report it though, the admin can probably see, it's pretty easy to figure out I'm not alting.
I've told you what the rules are, if I see you doing it again I will.

What I'm curious about is why there are so many glow in the dark faggots trying to conflate a relatively modern rocket artillery system with iron dome, iron dome is basically an xbox kinect strapped to a gyroscope mounted chain-gun pointed at the sky over palestinian territory.
It's not an rocket artillery system, it's a retarded rendition of C-RAM using missile interceptors.
This is why I asked if you are jewish. It takes ten seconds to look up to confirm what we've been saying with video proof.
The bizarre denial combined with the video above showing its failure leads me to believe you are working on behalf of israeli online intelligence. When videos like this show that not only is the iron dome not as successful as the israelis claim, but also probably responsible for many of the "rocket" attacks on israel, you have a knee jerk reaction. You know you need discredit the video, as that is your job, but you don't have a lie that they made for you, so you go to the first thing you can think of, which stupidly is deny the system even exists.

There are other possibilities that don't require you to be working for or with the jews, but aren't possible based on the content you've posted within this thread.

Now go ahead and call me an idiot/sperg/autist/etc so I know I'm right on the money.

[ - ] _Obrez 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 9, 2023 21:50:05 ago (+0/-0)

Just report me now, you're playing some sort of game, admins can tell from a look at my comment history I'm not using socks, smurfs or alts, if I were using sock puppets I wouldn't have so many wall posts with no upvotes.

Haven't clicked one of your links, I saw iron dome's roll out and press releases and saw the dumps on /pol/, you aren't gonna convince me it's a missile system.

[ - ] s23erdctfvyg 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 9, 2023 23:36:44 ago (+0/-0)

I didn't post any links, that was bullet stopper.

I saw iron dome's roll out and press releases and saw the dumps on /pol/, you aren't gonna convince me it's a missile system.
While the jews do lie for no other reason other than for their own amusement. I don't see any particular reason to assume that is the case here. Especially with how much they try to prop the system up with overwhelming media support.

[ - ] Deplorablepoetry 2 points 1.5 yearsNov 6, 2023 20:03:41 ago (+2/-0)

Kike relies on iron dome to protect themselves from threats well known

Sabre toting Muslim or white man with his drone, both have full intention to obliterate jews in their home

Wherever they tend to roam, always pandering to a throne, the jew has now found itself entirely alone

Atone was an option but not anymore, stones have been thrown, the jew shall pay for evermore

[ - ] NuckFiggers 4 points 1.5 yearsNov 6, 2023 20:26:10 ago (+4/-0)

US taxpayers pay for every one of those and each one is ninety thousand, a good year's salary

[ - ] HonkyMcNiggerSpic 5 points 1.5 yearsNov 6, 2023 18:46:35 ago (+5/-0)

too bad it didn't wipe out 6 gorillion lazy ass kike trash.

[ - ] s23erdctfvyg 5 points 1.5 yearsNov 6, 2023 19:28:57 ago (+5/-0)

That's why missile ciws/cram are retarded. Sure they can adjust mid flight to ensure a hit, but they're slower than projectiles or lasers which makes the adjustment borderline useless. Likewise the adjustments have to be automated, given it's looking for a heat or radar signature, if the initial lock-on failed it's going to find some target, and that target might just be what you're trying to defend. Furthermore missiles are most likely to have erratic flight patterns due to defects.

Bad targeting and malfunctions can of course be fixed by ensuring the missile will not fly below a certain altitude, and will detonate or disarm (depends on the explosive used) if it hits that altitude or is unable to reach said altitude, but jews are fucking retarded.

As far as I'm aware, only Israel uses rockets for C-RAM, and this video clearly illustrates why. Every other nation uses explosive projectiles fired at a high rate of speed, with the exception of experimental energy weapons i.e. lasers/microwaves/etc. The reason for this is you can predict where projectiles will land in the event they fail to detonate, thereby eliminating your own casualties.

[ - ] BulletStopper 1 point 1.5 yearsNov 7, 2023 06:28:49 ago (+1/-0)

Each Tamir missile costs about $40,000 to $50,000.

Was thinking that, if you can find a way to spoof the missile's optical portion of the guidance system, it might be possible to guide them into the ground in just the manner you saw.

[ - ] s23erdctfvyg 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 7, 2023 16:30:48 ago (+0/-0)

After looking it up, it's using a Electro-optical sensor. Which means they aren't saying which form of detection it's using other than "light".
It's probably infrared detection, as that would make the most sense when firing at hot targets like rockets or mortars. So a mortar with a timed delayed fuse and a flare as a payload should completely shut down the iron dome.

[ - ] BulletStopper 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 8, 2023 00:50:06 ago (+0/-0)*

The Tamir missile's onboard electro-optical sensor is a hybrid, IR/UV-shadow system that provides the final guidance course correction steering data to steer the missile to a PMP (point of maximum proximity) to ensure the best target effects for it's proximity-fuzed HE-Frag warhead.

Because of it's velocity, the warhead's fragmentation pattern isn't globular, as a static explosion would be, but resembles more of a conical "shotgun" pattern thrown toward it's target. That means that in order to be most effective, the missile must try to manuever to a point in space in front of it's target.

If it detonates close, but even a fraction of a second too late, this blast pattern can miss the target entirely. (Reference the Patriot missiles performance against the Scuds during Gulf War 1., Because of a sofware timing glitch, the early intercepts were detonating after they had already passed their intended targets.)

IR guidance systems have come a long way since the 1950's. They haven't been "tail-chasers" for a long time now. They steer towards a pre-predicted kill-point based on the target's calculated trajectory.

Another common misconception is that modern guided missiles rocket motors continue to burn throughout their engagement, allowing them to execute all sorts of 180-360 degree manuevers to seek their target. The missile's boost phase only lasts about 10 seconds, then it is as ballistic as any bullet, having only the energy budget that it has acquired during that boost phase to spend trying to hit the target.

Another commonly held misunderstanding is that IR guidance sytems will simply home on the hottest source in front of them. This is also no longer true. The software is tuned and updatable to target sources only falling within the actual thermal parameters of a valid target.

Like the bears porridge in the story of Goldilocks, if it's too hot, or too cold, it will be ignored. The thermal signature of a rocket or mortar will not match that of a flare, and the flare would be ignored.

Likewise, If you were looking at a pair of identical twins, visually alike in every way, but one of them casts a shadow, and the other one doesn't you would immediately know that some sort of fuckery was afoot. In the same way, if the IR signature doesn't match the UV-shadow silhouette, it will be ignored.

The strategy that is currently being pursued by Hamas is both simple and valid. Target saturation of the defense.

If the enemy has a fixed number of launchers and $50,000 missiles and reload rate, and you can churn out an almost unlimited number of Qassam rockets at about $20 a pop?

Quantity has a quality all it's own. And there is a certain elegance in simplicity.

[ - ] s23erdctfvyg 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 8, 2023 04:38:03 ago (+0/-0)

Thanks for the info, although this reveals something amusing.

Another commonly held misunderstanding is that IR guidance sytems will simply home on the hottest source in front of them. This is also no longer true. The software is tuned and updatable to target sources only falling within the actual thermal parameters of a valid target.
In other words, stick a secondary flare on a rocket so that the rocket falls outside the detection range.

As for the video, given the missile was still in its burn phase, this was more than likely a mechanical failure, which can be resolved by simply having the missile detonate the moment it turns 90 degrees towards the ground.

[ - ] BulletStopper 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 8, 2023 05:06:42 ago (+0/-0)

In other words, stick a secondary flare on a rocket so that the rocket falls outside the detection range.

Detection is NOT the problem. If the seeker can see the incoming projectile, it has already been detected. The difficulty lies in convincing a multilayered system that it's not a valid target. That is harder.

The interceptor missile will simply compare the IR image with the UV-shadow image, and the radar guidance data that it's still being fed from the ground. Not so easy, huh?

There are a lot of very smart people who have been designing and building these things for a very long time now.

[ - ] s23erdctfvyg 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 8, 2023 16:01:39 ago (+0/-0)

The difficulty lies in convincing a multilayered system that it's not a valid target.
That's what I meant, I just used the wrong words.

The interceptor missile will simply compare the IR image with the UV-shadow image, and the radar guidance data that it's still being fed from the ground. Not so easy, huh?
Not really. Construct all rockets the same and for pure flares add cheaper fillers that have similar heat absorption to the explosives used in HE Frag warheads. 20% of the rockets are pure flare, 20% are secondary flare with a HE Frag warhead, and 60% are pure HE Frag warhead
It's now an issue of firing at inexpensive flare rockets as they may have explosives, or ignoring them and ignoring the potential they have explosives.

This results in either the israelis having an even worse cost efficiency as flares are cheaper than the high explosives that have to be smuggled in, or getting hit by rockets.

It's also possible to mix in a small amount of pure kinetic rockets that lack a flare or warhead. They won't do much, but they can be a distraction that doesn't waste HE material, in a similar fashion to the flares.

There are a lot of very smart people who have been designing and building these things for a very long time now.
I mean, clearly not as they forgot a safety fuse. A sharp 90 degree turn (especially towards the ground) should always result in an immediate detonation, defusing of the warhead, or by ejecting the booster explosive so the main charge doesn't detonate on impact. It all depends on the explosive system used.

[ - ] BulletStopper 1 point 1.5 yearsNov 9, 2023 00:49:28 ago (+1/-0)

It's now an issue of firing at inexpensive flare rockets as they may have explosives, or ignoring them and ignoring the potential they have explosives.

It doesn't matter. You're suggesting a solution for a question that no one is asking.

As previously stated, you keep it simple and just flood the zone with lots of cheap $20 HE rockets and drain the supply of expensive $50,000 dollar missiles.

Then it's just a matter of time and sustainability. There comes a day when you are still shooting cheap rockets and there are no more gold-plated missiles left to intercept them with.

[ - ] s23erdctfvyg 1 point 1.5 yearsNov 9, 2023 01:51:28 ago (+1/-0)

Yea, this is also true.

[ - ] CoronaHoax 6 points 1.5 yearsNov 6, 2023 20:21:34 ago (+6/-0)

Literally a country of free loaders.

[ - ] dosvydanya_freedomz 2 points 1.5 yearsNov 6, 2023 20:51:55 ago (+2/-0)

Literally a country of free loaders.

the parasite wont leave its host until its fully dead

[ - ] Master_Foo 9 points 1.5 yearsNov 6, 2023 18:16:34 ago (+9/-0)

That rocket was a troon and 41%ed himself.

[ - ] big_fat_dangus [op] 3 points 1.5 yearsNov 6, 2023 18:19:22 ago (+3/-0)

Let's ask @the_old_ones he's the resident tranny aficionado.

[ - ] UncleDoug 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 7, 2023 04:02:15 ago (+0/-0)

He's a bit salty about that.

[ - ] dosvydanya_freedomz 0 points 1.5 yearsNov 6, 2023 20:50:44 ago (+0/-0)

That rocket was a troon and 41%ed himself.

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