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It is a scam. I am 76 yo and have had my teeth cleaned the same way for most of my life. There was no differentiation between above and below the gum line. The hygienist just cleaned as needed. About 10 years ago dentists discovered they could separate the cleanings and charge more for "deep cle

submitted by anon to AnonTalk 1.4 yearsNov 29, 2023 18:30:44 ago (+23/-1)     (AnonTalk)

It is a scam. I am 76 yo and have had my teeth cleaned the same way for most of my life. There was no differentiation between above and below the gum line. The hygienist just cleaned as needed. About 10 years ago dentists discovered they could separate the cleanings and charge more for "deep cleaning" Here is a letter from a registered dental hygenist to DentistryIQ a RDH Journal. I had to copy the letter because they won't let me post a link.


Dear RDH eVillage:

I have been a dental hygienist for 25 years. I truly love what I do, have not gotten burnt out, and am a young-looking 48-year-old. I live in a town where there is a community college with a hygiene program that graduates students yearly, so the competition is fierce as far as jobs are concerned and jobs are far and few between.

I would like to know what is happening to dentistry these days? I know that, since I have been out of school, many advancements and changes have been made. But it seems all of the offices where I have worked at lately are unethical and all they care about is making money and not about the patients' true needs.

My main concern is that this 4941 root plane and scale code (RPS) is truly being overused and overcharged. I can't begin to tell you how many times a patient is sent to my chair with a diagnosis of RPS without being probed. I start probing and may get a few 4's and the patient is diagnosed as four quads of RPS at $200 a quad. Or bone loss is seen on the films and nine out of 10 times it is due to the fact that bone loss is due to grinding and/or clenching, or they have a history of perio disease that is now being maintained in a healthy state. Therefore, there is usually nothing to scale.

I won't do a procedure that I truly feel in my heart is not needed. For one, I can lose my license, and, second, I truly am an ethical, honest person. If I take this to the doctor, they say I am not complying and I must do what they say. This puts me in an uncomfortable position, and I usually end up getting fired over the new graduates who will comply.

I am not against RPS if it is truly needed. But I feel a lot of times the patient needs a gross debridement first and then a fine scale and polish — and they are usually fine. There is no need for anesthetic and to charge so much even when a slight bit of subcalculus (radiographic or not) is present. And what is wrong with just charging one quad of scaling instead of four quads, if there are eight teeth or less involved in the whole mouth?

I just feel that if a person is being charged $200 a quad, there better be some major sub calc and bone loss involved. You cannot RPS without roots. Also, I have been told if a patient has had RPS, they need to be on a perio maintenance code forever. I feel most RPS are misdiagnosed anyway. After all is said and done, they usually have a disease-free mouth and I put them back on a regular prophy 1110 and was told this cannot be done. Meanwhile, they are getting charged so much more for a perio prophy when I am doing nothing more than a 1110.

I currently work one day a week in an office that caters mainly to mentally challenged patients in group homes. If you want to talk RPS, all of them need it. They barely get a toothbrush in their mouth. But unfortunately, because of limited state funding, I must do the best job I can for these patients. Not all dentists and hygienists could deal with these patients on a daily basis, but I wish some of them could experience what I do to truly see what a true RPS is instead of trying to rip off normal patients each day.

As you can tell by now, I am truly fed up and disgusted with how dentistry is being done these days. Everything seems to be based on production, production, production. I know dentists are out to make a profit, but base it on the patients' true needs, not on the needs of your pocketbook.

I was brought up being told that honesty is the best policy and to live by the golden rule — to treat people the way you want to be treated. If more dentists followed this rule, I guess I would have a full-time dream job by now, but my hopes just get diminished.
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[ - ] TheViciousMrPim 5 points 1.4 yearsNov 29, 2023 18:39:38 ago (+5/-0)

Don't brush too hard, it's bad for the enamel. Meanwhile ignore me using a sharp steal hook.

[ - ] ruck_feddit 1 point 1.4 yearsNov 29, 2023 20:27:42 ago (+2/-1)

Steel is softer than your teeth. I'm talking softer on the Mohs scale where talc is a 1 and diamond is a 10. That hook isn't going to scratch your teeth.

Toothpaste is an abrasive polish. You can find carbonates in the ingredient list. Yes, beach sand. This is why brushing too hard for too long is a bad idea. You'll wear down your enamel via wet sanding.

[ - ] anon 4121596 2 points 1.4 yearsNov 29, 2023 21:12:24 ago (+2/-0)

I brush twice daily and do 15 min oil pulls at least 4X a week.
Haven't seen a dentist in over 25yrs

[ - ] anon 3644027 0 points 1.4 yearsNov 29, 2023 23:45:06 ago (+0/-0)

Does that oil pull shit work?

[ - ] MichaelStewart 1 point 1.4 yearsNov 30, 2023 01:04:57 ago (+1/-0)

Oil pulling is the way

[ - ] anon 1156167 2 points 1.4 yearsNov 29, 2023 19:59:04 ago (+2/-0)

I haven't had my teeth cleaned in over 25 years.
About a year ago, I went to a dentist to have a broken tooth repaired.
The hygienist looked around and told me a cleaning was unnecessary, but optional.
I passed the poke test with flying colors.
I told her and the dentist that I rinse with hydrogen peroxide every day.
She said,"don't tell anyone, you'll put us out of business."
Rinse your mouth with 3% hydrogen peroxide every day. It kills the bacteria that cause decay and bad breath.
Bacteria create an acidic environment that dissolves your teeth.
No bacteria, no cavities.
Been doing it for 30-40 years. No issues.
Oh, and don't consume carbonated beverages or sugar. Sugar feeds the bacteria. No beer.
The acid in soda or beer will gradually dissolve your teeth.
Your teeth test 5 on the Moh's Hardness Scale. That's harder than iron.
If you weren't concerned about the soft tissue in your mouth, you could brush with a wire brush.
If you decide to try peroxide, be aware that it might hurt like hell in the beginning. That means it's working. After the infections are cleared, there will be no pain.

[ - ] bobdole9 1 point 1.4 yearsNov 29, 2023 20:13:26 ago (+1/-0)

How much do you use per rinse?

[ - ] ruck_feddit 1 point 1.4 yearsNov 29, 2023 20:29:52 ago (+1/-0)

I'm not him, but the same amount you'd use of scope etc. Couple tablespoons. You can water it down a bit at first while you get used to it.

[ - ] anon 4062536 1 point 1.4 yearsNov 29, 2023 20:35:07 ago (+1/-0)*

Scope mouthwash is nasty af

[ - ] anon 1589631 1 point 1.4 yearsNov 29, 2023 21:44:01 ago (+1/-0)

I don't know if they took the alcohol out of those mouthwashes, but some years ago they had studies connecting mouth cancer to mouthwash.

But then studies and research are about as scientific as madame chah chah's tea leaf readings.

[ - ] ruck_feddit 1 point 1.4 yearsNov 30, 2023 00:47:18 ago (+1/-0)

A study definitely showed people who regularly used mouthwash were more likely to get mouth cancer than people who didn't use mouthwash. I don't think it was saying mouthwash does or doesn't cause cancer. People who regularly use ash trays are more likely to get cancer, but not because of the ash trays.

[ - ] anon 3449050 1 point 1.4 yearsNov 30, 2023 07:47:29 ago (+1/-0)

And they are like 300% more likely to get diabetes.. Mouthwash has some funk to it that we def have not identified.

[ - ] anon 1491011 0 points 1.4 yearsNov 30, 2023 09:44:39 ago (+0/-0)

I maintain it has more to do with the lifestyle choices of people who tend to regularly use mouthwash. It's probably not giving you diabetes, come on.

[ - ] anon 1491011 0 points 1.4 yearsNov 30, 2023 00:40:51 ago (+0/-0)

Ok

[ - ] anon 1156167 1 point 1.4 yearsNov 29, 2023 22:24:01 ago (+1/-0)

I just take a little sip out of the bottle. You don't need much, an it will get foamy while it's doing its job. 30 seconds of swishing it around and spit it out. Then I brush.

[ - ] deleted 0 points 1.4 yearsNov 29, 2023 22:25:22 ago (+0/-0)

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[ - ] anon 3775039 0 points 1.4 yearsNov 29, 2023 22:46:27 ago (+0/-0)

No beer

I'd rather have dentures

[ - ] anon 3092911 2 points 1.4 yearsNov 29, 2023 19:37:51 ago (+2/-0)

This is spot on. They tried to tell me I had bad gum recession and needed all this deep scale cleaning which would cost hundreds. I went home in tears all worried and then started researching and got a clue. This incident combined with several other dental nightmares have caused me to lose all trust in the industry. Sadly I now only go in when I have pain.

[ - ] anon 4062536 3 points 1.4 yearsNov 29, 2023 20:36:56 ago (+3/-0)

You can strengthen your gums with dilgent brush, floss, and waterpik on a nightly basis. I was really surprised at what the waterpik did to my gums. Felt stronger to the touch. Worth a try if anyone else has gum issues. Staying diligent with it is the hardest part. And get a quality toothpaste like Davids or Toms. Unless you like taking in flouride...

[ - ] anon 3597538 [op] 0 points 1.4 yearsNov 30, 2023 08:12:10 ago (+0/-0)

What setting pressure do you use yours on?

[ - ] anon 4062536 0 points 1.4 yearsDec 4, 2023 03:18:17 ago (+0/-0)

You have to start low, enough to tolerate it. Then work your way up a little each day. Then get to a point where you are comfortable with decent water pressure. Level 2-3 to start, 4-5 is OK to use after a while.

[ - ] anon 3597538 [op] 0 points 1.4 yearsNov 29, 2023 20:14:17 ago (+0/-0)

I went home in tears all worried and then started researching and got a clue.

I'm sorry you through that, it sounds horrifying. What was the research that helped you?

[ - ] anon 3092911 1 point 1.4 yearsNov 29, 2023 20:22:10 ago (+1/-0)

Basically just found out it’s a scam to make extra money. It’s normal for gums to recede as you age.

[ - ] anon 4000977 1 point 1.4 yearsNov 29, 2023 22:38:07 ago (+1/-0)

I rinse and brush with Listerine every day and only use toothpaste 1-2 times a month to really scrub my teeth. I do really deep rinses to reach the back of my teeth & continue rinsing with purified water until there's no gunk in my mouth. Probably a good 3-5mins every day.

[ - ] BoraxTheFungarian 1 point 1.4 yearsNov 29, 2023 22:27:52 ago (+1/-0)

Thanks for reminding me that I have appointments to cancel. Bunch of grifters.

[ - ] anon 3597538 [op] 0 points 1.4 yearsNov 29, 2023 18:31:22 ago (+0/-0)