I married a dumb cunt. It's 100% my fault. This happened because I didn't have many prospects. If there's any value to this, let this be a warning to you. We've seen how one act of despair ends up making this far worse and unfixable later on, like that endlessly long post from that woman that married a drunkard to have kids. She's fucked and so am I.
I have a kid and one on the way. I am fucked, no way out. She's a disorganized slob. The red flags were there along the way but I didn't know any better. I didn't have a lot of choices or experience. I didn't have to do this. If I could go back I would and tell myself just wait a little longer you'll find someone worth your while.
I had another kid because my son needs a sibling. I was an only child and my parents left me and that was very hard. Still is.
Because of this woman I have given up on everything. Work hard, for fucking what? The house is a constant mess from the shit she leaves behind. She never vacuums the house, doesn't pick up after herself, leaves dirty dishes everywhere. She expects me to pick up after her because "she's busy". I ask her, do you expect me to wipe your ass for you, too? Then she starts yelling at me. I spend most of my day trying to find work and working on the house. I fix everything around here. We bought this house top dollar at the height of this recent bubble because we were having a kid and didn't want to rent anymore. It was her idea, too. I kept insisting to move away from this expensive area, to get fuck out of this crazy shitlib state. Of course she opposed me then because she didn't follow politics at all but STILL HAD AN OPINION, now she wants to leave, too. Well fucking how, you dumb bitch??? We blew our savings on this place now we are STUCK. I am glad you finally wised up in some regard but it's TOO LATE.
The house needed work. It still needs work, I am fixing old rot that was left. I can't even list the number of things that I have fixed around here. It would have cost tens and tens of thousands of dollars to fix all this shit. I am fighting the yard, trying to keep on top of all the shit that grows. I want to cut some stuff down to make it easier to maintain, but she doesn't want me to. Note that she never goes out to pluck weeds, or cut the grass or anything. She just tells me what I can and can't do from her fucking high tower. She has ZERO understanding about the amount of work that it takes.
I am so sick of this shit. I feel like I want to go out for a pack of cigarettes and never come back. According to a lot of people I would be a scumbag if I did that. Instead I am expected to be here, a slave to this dumb situation. I am only here for the kids. I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't do drugs. I play a few games here and there to forget about my shit life. Surely if I didn't spent 2 hours a day playing, I would have time for a full time job, travel and still do all the work outside the house and inside, picking up after her included, and have time to spend with my son? Right. Two hours will magically transform in 8-9, right?
She's so fucking dumb, I now tell it to her face. She comes down for a snack, takes shit out of the fridge, then being the forgetful dumb shit that she is, remembers she has a meeting, so she runs off. She comes back, finding out that she doesn't actually have a meeting, and at that point I notice there is shit on the counter that is supposed to be in the fridge. I am like, WTF, why is this out? So I ask her. Then she starts flipping her shit and starts yelling at me for "putting her down". Note that at this point all I said was "why is this out? Did you take it? -Yes. Ok, why didn't you put it back before you left?" Then she starts yelling how she has no time for this and that and insinuates that I am supposed to go around looking for shit she left out, picking up after her, like I am some kind of fucking servant. She didn't pick up after herself when I was working full time EITHER and I still had the house to take care of. She keeps holding that over my head how I don't have a job. Soon enough I will find work, but she will change NOTHING and less shit will get done, because WE'VE ALREADY BEEN THERE. She once left an apple core THREE FUCKING DAYS on the counter until we got fruit flies. We had a fight over than when I eventually snapped and confronted her about it.
A few days ago she left the milk out 2 hours. It was ruined, then she puts it back in the fridge, to serve later to our son. WTF man, how fucking dumb is she? Do I ask her to go around outside and pick up the tools after I am done? I don't know what to do anymore, I think I have to abandon working on the house entirely, find a job and move out. Let her deal with whatever the fuck comes after that. I wasn't born to be this bitch's assistant. I feel really bad for my son, what kind of fucked up ways will he learn from this bitch.
Marriage is dumb, women are stupid. If you're gonna get married just be aware ALL THE SHIT that you DON'T LIKE in them will NEVER CHANGE. And eventually your GOODWILL will RUN OUT and all will be left are the PROBLEMS that you IGNORED. Better to be alone than chained to a hag. If you're single right now THANK YOURSELF and know that I WISH I WAS YOU!
I am buying an RV and sticking a bike on the back. She's on thin ice, every shit fight she starts another limb on the hangman gets drawn. When it finishes I am leaving this bitch and she can FIGURE IT ALL OUT. Fuck this house, fuck all the money that is lost, I just want the rest my life back! I OWE HER NOTHING!
[ + ] paul_neri
[ - ] paul_neri 0 points 8 monthsOct 15, 2024 19:16:23 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Gowithit
[ - ] Gowithit 0 points 8 monthsOct 15, 2024 19:18:10 ago (+0/-0)
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[ - ] paul_neri 0 points 8 monthsOct 16, 2024 01:27:16 ago (+0/-0)
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[ - ] paul_neri 0 points 8 monthsOct 16, 2024 01:28:37 ago (+0/-0)
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[ + ]anon
[ - ] anon 3293713 12 points 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 19:25:03 ago (+12/-0)
"We bought this house top dollar at the height of this recent bubble because we were having a kid and didn't want to rent anymore. It was her idea, too. I kept insisting to move away from this expensive area, to get fuck out of this crazy shitlib state. Of course she opposed me then because she didn't follow politics at all but STILL HAD AN OPINION, now she wants to leave, too."
You are not a strong leader. You're not any kind of leader. You deferred to your woman instead of you two deciding on a path ahead together and now you put your family's financial security and future at stake.
All the problems you listed are because you don't lead the household. Stop complaining and buck up.
[ + ] Cunt
[ - ] Cunt 1 point 10 monthsJul 25, 2024 11:02:39 ago (+1/-0)
525 fewer words then your post so š
[ + ] Sector2
[ - ] Sector2 0 points 10 monthsAug 5, 2024 16:10:35 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 10 monthsAug 14, 2024 12:32:52 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ]anon
[ - ] anon 3558917 5 points 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 18:03:32 ago (+6/-1)
[ + ] AugustineOfHippo2
[ - ] AugustineOfHippo2 5 points 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 17:24:21 ago (+5/-0)
Make a plan about what needs to be done, both for the house and for the relationship. Calmly let her know the plan, and follow through. You need to be the adult here, control your emotions and don't get involved in any fights.
Take her on a date, and keep it nice and fun. Either you turn this around or your kids will suffer.
[ + ] anon
[ - ] anon 9130345 [op] 1 point 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 17:28:30 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] AugustineOfHippo2
[ - ] AugustineOfHippo2 5 points 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 18:01:37 ago (+5/-0)
[ + ] anon
[ - ] anon 1823254 4 points 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 17:30:13 ago (+4/-0)
[ + ] anon
[ - ] anon 9130345 [op] 1 point 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 17:37:42 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] anon
[ - ] anon 1823254 4 points 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 21:01:09 ago (+4/-0)
#1 keep your emotions under control at all times. Be firm about things but don;t let her see you worry or be weak ever. Anger should be visible to her virtually never.
Also get back to a full time job asap.
Pray for guidance. Talk to God. Ask for His help.
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[ - ] deleted -1 points 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 19:56:53 ago (+0/-1)
[ + ] bobdole9
[ - ] bobdole9 3 points 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 19:02:12 ago (+3/-0)
It will continue to suck. Figuring a way to seperate yourself from the house and her more frequently will help. I do not know how else to motivate her other than to talk down and that her like the dumb teenager she acts like.
Is she pregnant right now, and if so, how far along? This is important...hormonal women are even dumber than normal. Pregnancy brain is real.
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[ - ] deleted 3 points 10 monthsJul 24, 2024 14:45:51 ago (+3/-0)
[ + ] bobdole9
[ - ] bobdole9 3 points 10 monthsJul 24, 2024 14:57:26 ago (+3/-0)
[ + ] Deleted
[ - ] deleted 3 points 10 monthsJul 24, 2024 15:14:43 ago (+3/-0)
[ + ] bobdole9
[ - ] bobdole9 3 points 10 monthsJul 24, 2024 18:50:13 ago (+3/-0)
I wish there was a way to ping OP...this is likely the answer.
[ + ] anon
[ - ] anon 6777640 2 points 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 17:41:34 ago (+2/-0)
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[ - ] deleted 0 points 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 17:28:48 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ]anon
[ - ] anon 2276999 4 points 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 23:43:49 ago (+4/-0)
I won't pull punches, the next few years are gonna suck for you. They do for all new parents. My advice, you need to learn to just say fuck it. Piles of laundry, fuck it. Dishes, fuck it. Toys a mess, fuck it. Theres never enough time to do everything that needs done. These years will suck, but they'll also fly by. So learn how to say whatever fuck it to lots of bull shit and focus on your kids as much as possible.
If you're here hopefully you already know don't Vax, don't circumcise, and home school if possible.
As far as arguing with the wife goes, most people here are right. You're wasting your time with words. Women don't respond to words. And especially don't insult her for fuck sakes. You're a family, insulting her is insulting your own family! If you don't have nothing nice to say don't say nothing. And don't be afraid to not say anything. You don't need to fill all your time together with conversation, learn to be comfortable just sitting quietly.
Your kids need their family. You can do this. It's hard for everyone and you're not alone. Do the best you can everyday and eventually it'll get better.
And congrats on kid #2.
[ + ]anon
[ - ] anon 5137987 5 points 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 16:51:27 ago (+6/-1)*
Try to fix this, but do not depend upon her to do so.
She may have ADHD, so then it is not on purpose.
If you are insulting her and she has ADHD it's not useful and productive.
With memory, there is registration, retention, and recall as well as recall-triggers
Being unable to focus fucks up registration of important information.
Look into time management and see if you get more of what you want done.
[ + ] PotatoWhisperer2
[ - ] PotatoWhisperer2 3 points 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 16:58:53 ago (+3/-0)
Fuck you.
No, seriously fuck you.
I have no-shit ADHD, not the bullshit self-diagnosed bullshit that somehow became a fad in the last couple of decades.
It is not an excuse to be a lazy fat stupid cunty slob. That shit is aaaaall on her.
[ + ] anon
[ - ] anon 5137987 2 points 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 17:15:07 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] PotatoWhisperer2
[ - ] PotatoWhisperer2 2 points 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 18:15:49 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] bobdole9
[ - ] bobdole9 3 points 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 19:30:18 ago (+3/-0)
OP casually glances over wife is pregnant. Pregnancy brain explains a lot.
[ + ] anon
[ - ] anon 1147620 2 points 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 19:59:41 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] anon
[ - ] anon 1475492 1 point 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 18:18:13 ago (+1/-0)
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[ - ] anon 2394456 0 points 10 monthsJul 24, 2024 03:51:47 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] anon
[ - ] anon 9130345 [op] 1 point 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 17:00:22 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] anon
[ - ] anon 5137987 3 points 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 17:04:36 ago (+3/-0)*
Being unable to focus and defensive is different.
If a person just had trouble focusing that can be fixed
It's not your fault if she cannot focus, but if she cannot focus, it'll be hard as hell for her to figure that out.
If she cannot focus she cannot register a memory.
Imagine you need to bring your phone with you to a room to brush your teeth. And cannot focus. You put your phone down someplace get to the room and forget why you came.
Then you leave and see someone left out their phone - it's a mess so you complain.
Now imagine all the information you take in all day, it's scattered and disorganized, and people are pissed off with you.
A pencil and notepad can get around being unable to focus, maybe buy a nice small one for her, one she likes
Another bit is memory triggers.
People can have information in memory but not access it at the correct time. To get around that check the notes periodically.
[ + ] anon
[ - ] anon 1069630 3 points 10 monthsJul 24, 2024 04:49:43 ago (+3/-0)
You have two children right now, one is your wife. You're about to have three.
Learn to take charge, that does not mean 'being mean' or yelling at her.
It means doing what needs to be done and realizing there may indeed be no thanks for it.
And it definitely does not mean acting like a door mat for her to step on.
Don't argue, do.
Sometimes messes are okay, learn to live with a little more discomfort than you are used to.
You do not want your first mistake to raise your two children into becoming just like her.
Take charge and prevent your children from becoming ruined.
I wish you the best, and hope you can find it in you to become the man they need.
[ + ] FuckShitJesus
[ - ] FuckShitJesus 4 points 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 16:49:28 ago (+4/-0)
You're doing a bad job managing.
[ + ] anon
[ - ] anon 9130345 [op] 0 points 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 16:54:11 ago (+1/-1)
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[ - ] deleted 4 points 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 20:06:01 ago (+4/-0)
[ + ] anon
[ - ] anon 6777640 2 points 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 17:08:58 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] Tallest_Skil
[ - ] Tallest_Skil 4 points 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 16:46:01 ago (+4/-0)
Did you pay for the property? If so, cut whatever you want to cut and tell her to plant what she wants if she wants it so much.
If youāre the sole breadwinner, you have a divorce case that ends with you getting full custody and the house so your children arenāt poisoned as they grow.
[ + ] anon
[ - ] anon 9130345 [op] 0 points 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 16:52:43 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ]anon
[ - ] anon 1147620 3 points 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 20:11:54 ago (+3/-0)
You need to get the control that you never had from the start.
Live as if she is invisible. Get a big bucket or box of some kind and put EVERYTHING she leaves out in it, and constantly do that. All of her messes. When she says anything just tell her she has no respect, you have none for her either. It's like training a dog. Be consistent because she won't change. If she's no longer a person to you, and her opinion is irrelevant, it's easier to disengage your own emotions and have a better time of it.
Make it clear her words mean nothing.
[ + ] PotatoWhisperer2
[ - ] PotatoWhisperer2 3 points 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 17:16:20 ago (+3/-0)
You can build a pretty bitchin' solar system on the top of one of those. Keep yourself cool/heated with all the entertainment and comforts of home.
I hear ya on that. Mine is 90+ years old and I'll still be working on it the day I die. I've made headway on it, as it no longer takes me 5+ hours to mow, only 2 stints of 1.5hrs over two days. Less trees to take care of, keep up on the shit that's always trying to grow through the fence, and so on. Even starting to make some minor upgrades. But it takes a shitload of work.
That being said, there may be some things you can do to change things at home. Sit her down for a talk, remove things from the home that are issues, like extra plates, shitty food, too many cloths, etc. Minimize things to the point that there simply isn't an option to have dirty dishes or too many dirty cloths.
Don't give her money, do the shopping yourself, and only have a small amount of good foods that you have to cook yourself available, and make her cook it. Make the changes you want to the house, you're the one doing it all. She can have a say in doing the 4 dishes or the small amount of dirty laundry, and maybe the cooking once she loses the weight.
You need to stop listening to her and take charge. Maybe you can save it, maybe you can't. Be prepared for either, talk to a lawyer, and for god's sake don't tell her about it. There are write-ups out there about how to prepare from a man's perspective. Don't use google, try yandex.
Women hate hate hate when a man isn't paying attention to her and only her when he's not earning her money. If she bitches about games, she'll bitch about sportsball, racing, working out, running, biking, sailing, whatever.
Last note, take care to take any actions outside of the heat of the moment. Do not prepare or do things when emotional. Do it in the pure cold logic a man is capable of.
Good luck faggot.
[ + ] anon
[ - ] anon 1823254 7 points 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 17:32:55 ago (+7/-0)
This is the absolute key. Women don't communicate in good faith. They use words to achieve their desired results. You can't reason with them. You have to just start arranging things how they need to be. This dude is giving you good advice.
[ + ] anon
[ - ] anon 9130345 [op] 0 points 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 17:23:36 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ]anon
[ - ] anon 4080998 1 point 10 monthsJul 24, 2024 14:39:57 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] dass
[ - ] dass 1 point 10 monthsJul 24, 2024 04:00:58 ago (+1/-0)*
No real advice except put yourselves in a position to clear your debt if possible, for if / when the marriage truly falls on it's face. Or lead her by the hair into her 'Wanting to ' become a better wife and mother, but she'll need an actual honest reason for that change and you leading by example is a key factor.
Otherwise continue to Work on a providing a good environment for your kids and be in a position for full custody - if she is as you suggest - who do you honestly think would be a more productive parent for the wellbeing and welfare of the children ?.
I would rather be dead broke, poor and happy, than financially struggling, constantly pissed off, mad and depressed. So presumably, would the children.
Good luck.
Give us a write up in 6 months.
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[ - ] deleted 0 points 10 monthsJul 24, 2024 15:25:09 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ]anon
[ - ] anon 2943441 1 point 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 20:33:26 ago (+1/-0)
Walking out destroys kids. How old are the kids?
Who is the breadwinner?
Also, she is probably fucking around already.
You are fucked.
[ + ]anon
[ - ] anon 2864759 1 point 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 17:46:15 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] anon
[ - ] anon 9130345 [op] 0 points 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 17:48:59 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] anon
[ - ] anon 6777640 3 points 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 17:57:35 ago (+3/-0)
[ + ] anon
[ - ] anon 2864759 2 points 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 17:54:15 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] anon
[ - ] anon 9130345 [op] 0 points 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 17:57:40 ago (+1/-1)
[ + ]anon
[ - ] anon 2397169 1 point 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 17:15:51 ago (+2/-1)
[ + ] anon
[ - ] anon 9130345 [op] 1 point 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 17:18:34 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] anon
[ - ] anon 2397169 3 points 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 17:26:38 ago (+4/-1)
Oh, did you have to touch your brakes to merge? THAT MOTHERFUCKER I WILL END HER.
Less coffee. Oolong tea is the way. No booze. Maybe some weed.
Of course she is dumb, she married you.
[ + ] anon
[ - ] anon 6777640 2 points 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 18:51:04 ago (+2/-0)
Dosnt sound bad. And there are times I would love to kick back and smoke weed with the husband but he is/was an addict and if I give an inch that will be it. He'll start again. I tried it once and he went back full force.
[ + ] anon
[ - ] anon 9130345 [op] 1 point 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 17:32:56 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] anon
[ - ] anon 2397169 1 point 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 18:38:38 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] anon
[ - ] anon 9130345 [op] 0 points 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 18:42:45 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] anon
[ - ] anon 2397169 2 points 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 18:45:54 ago (+2/-0)
[ + ] anon
[ - ] anon 2397169 1 point 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 19:03:11 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] PostWallHelena
[ - ] PostWallHelena 1 point 10 monthsAug 14, 2024 14:09:56 ago (+1/-0)
I have low energy and trouble staying on top of my āto doā lists. I have always been that way. Caffeine does not help that problem in any long term way. I still struggle to get things done but I am at least as energetic if not more so than when I used caffeine. The clear benefits are that I wake up feeling good and not needing a fix and I do not OD on caffeine and act like a wound up bitch. Honestly my moods are much more even ā less āMr. Hydeā if you get my drift.
Switch to half caf and then decaf, limit the number of cups you have in a day until you are down to 1 and then go to zero. Youāll feel really tired for a month, then you will be free of it. You can do it, absolutely, and you will feel better and more in controlā less spikey and moody and emotiaonally raw. Saner. That was my experience. Itās hard : caffeine is a ferocious addiction and it is absolutely a psychoactive drug. I was a drinker and a smoker and this was as hard to quit as those were. But if I can do it, anybody can. After all, Im just a stupid female who thinks with her ovaries!
I just read your post (yes, Im late to the party, what do you want? Im a woman) and I really feel sorry for your situation. I felt like there were a few opportunities I had to āsettleā and I passed them by. Now Im alone. Grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. Its a tough world out there and it would be good to have a partner. I feel like ultimately we all have to do some settling in this life, especially if you want to have a family, or even friends. You can make this about males vs. females. But I dont think it really is. She is not perfect. You are not perfect. Its hard to live with imperfect people.
Lots of people on here gave you reasonable advice. I think at this point you feel so contemptuous toward your wife that you cant see the situation clearly. I get that and I have been there.
IMO this is a partnership that is breaking down because the roles and responsibilities of the partners are not clear. You feel disrespected by her messiness. You pay her back with contempt. Its not a solution.
While Im not a fan of psychologists, I do think you might benefit from limited councilling. You need a third party willing to help you draw up a plan or agreement that allocates a set of responsibilities to you and to her. It could be a minister or a football referee. But there should be someone who is unbiased and who is helping to keep you both accountable to the agreement. She will be more amenable to staying tidy when her sloppiness is being reported, and she will see the benefit of tidiness when you keep up your side of the agreement. Try a few sessions.
Realize that you are in a mental rut and ājust like the caffeine situationā you are unable to see the solutions available to you. My guess is that your wife is not terribly stupid, just a bit thoughtless, but the situation seems much worse because you are depressed. She may be depressed too. Try to resist the need to catastrophize (āItās all pointless!!ā) and take rational steps to solve discrete problems. If the biggest problem is her sloppiness, that is something that can definitely be improved on! Make sure to approach the issue in a calm and constructive way. A councillor will help.
I really hope you can make it work and keep your family together. Good luck.
[ + ] Sector2
[ - ] Sector2 0 points 10 monthsAug 5, 2024 16:27:27 ago (+0/-0)
Quit feeding your addiction and become a healthy person instead. Exercise, eat healthy food regularly, and sleep at night. But don't do this until you're ready to lose the drama and misery.
@PostWallHelena
[ + ]anon
[ - ] anon 6777640 1 point 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 17:05:59 ago (+1/-0)
hahaha we're all fucked. its ok.
start throwing things away. if theres not a spot for them throw them away.Do you have "off hours"? I understand you're working on the house but if you dont have off hours its like being at work 24/7 which would explain your breaking down.
oh plus pregnancy brain. You're dealing with pregnancy brain with the forgetfullness. Must not be far along if she hasnt started nesting yet.
[ + ] anon
[ - ] anon 9130345 [op] -1 points 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 17:09:00 ago (+0/-1)
[ + ]anon
[ - ] anon 2365263 -1 points 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 21:51:05 ago (+0/-1)
You're fucking mental as fuck.
FUCK YOU!
[ + ]anon
[ - ] anon 3129154 -1 points 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 16:52:42 ago (+0/-1)
[ + ] anon
[ - ] anon 9130345 [op] 1 point 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 16:55:38 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] anon
[ - ] anon 1823254 1 point 10 monthsJul 23, 2024 17:34:36 ago (+1/-0)