no. sounds like it could be done when younger because more hands on deck sounds like a good deal and you have the energy for it but after you're older? Now you're just carrying all that dead weight around. Doesnt sound so great.
Only if they each had a separate house, all on the same property, but far enough apart that you can't hear or see anything from the other houses. And if it was well understood and normal for women to be considered property. And the divorce/family court system would have to not be a thing. And we'd have to go back to pre-1913 taxation levels. And I want slaves, and machine guns. Also tigers. Gunna need several big apex cats to guard my bitches.
Based. I as well voted “no”. I’ve got a wife, she is great. I consider myself lucky and there is no way I’m rolling the dice again. Welcome back. Hope all is going well in your world, fren.
Polygyny can never “work” unless you are prepared to accept societal dynamics similar to muslims and gorillas. Polygyny selects males for traits like violence, theft, rape, deception. The math of polygyny can never work out unless you are okay with the majority of your males living as slaves or serfs who will never have the economic opportunity to reproduce, or you eliminate a large percentage of of your males through war. Monogamy is an absolute requirement for an efficient well balanced society. All polygynous societies have massive wealth and reproductive disparity among males. No polygynous societies are known for work ethic. That is the domain of mongamous societies.
Polygyny promotes prostitution too. Prostitution is used by elites to control the peasant males who are too poor to afford even a single wife, because the elites are hoarding all the females.
would it still not be the right of those Ukrainian women to say no to those foreigners and want to repopulate their country with their own people?
If we have 10 Ukrainian women married to every ukrainian man to repopulate Ukraine, who will provide the labor to raise these children? Who will be running Ukraine, growing its food, etc.? Women?
It would be Ukrainians running Ukraine. Is there something wrong with that?
If you reduce the male populatin by 90% you are going to have a similar drop in the GDP.
Polygynous cohabitation at least lessens the cost of material support by consolidating.
Who is going to build these houses to accomodate 11 adults and their 22 children? Who is going to defend Ukraine from invasion? Who’s going to built roads, fix cars, keep the power grid running? Such a scenario would create a total economic collapse. There are things that men do that cannot be replaced by women. There are no instances of female run economies that are above neo-lithic levels of sophistication.
There are lots of examples of male populations being wiped out. They are replaced by invading males. Women do not find it feasible to perform male and female roles simultaneously. Why should they when they can just marry a russian? I can mow my own lawn and change my own oil but I have to hire men for all kinds of things. Who would I hire? A woman? You are dreaming if you think Ukraine could be anything like normal for 25 years or that it could go back to normal as a new generation of males have no older men to train them. Functional “white” economies require monogamous males to run them. Countries with high polygyny and high death rates among males (they go hand in hand) look like afghanistan. But even in those places the murder rate/war mortality is only like 5 or 10 percent.
And it's interesting that polygyny is a kind of reproductive freedom for women. Chad paying child support for the three Karens he knocked up is pretty close to polygyny in the sense of material support
It is. Wealthy guys like Trump and Mel have a string of these trophy wives. Each of these wives represent a working class man who was prevented from reproducing. See, alot of guys on this site will work their whole lives and never marry. That is slavery. They are supporting a society which favors jewish “chads” and other legal scammers who make alot of money and produce nothing. Death of meritocracy. Meritocracy and egalitarianism can only exist under monogamy.
Does wealth disparity cause polygyny or does polygyny cause wealth disparity? Its hard to say. But polygyny mathmatically requires male slaves to support “chads” and their harems. That is because said chads do not become wealthy by producing 10x the average worker output. Chads acquire harems through warlording (historically) and rent seeking behaviors. You cannot build a successful economy on rent seeking behaviors. Look up the term. The only way to afford more than one wife (practically speaking ) is through rent seeking behavior. The only way to become a billionaire is through rent seeking behavior. The only reason a woman would choose to share a man with 3 other women is if he makes more than 3 average workers put together. Rent seeking behavior is the only way to do this. It is a form of theft from productive workers to unproductive individuals. Its why we are in this shit show—compensation has been divorced from productivity.
THE.MATH.DOESN’T.WORK. I must have made a thousand comments like this. You guys always say women have no grasp of math, but you just don’t get it. If you have a society of 100 men and 100 women, which males are you going to tell they can never have sex in their lives? Which males will you condemn to work their entire life for some other man to reproduce? What would motivate these incels to continue to participate economically and not start fucking people over? It’s a bad deal! Why do you think the math works out differently when the population is 100,000,0000? Ask your mormon buddy why these polygamous mormon groups have to run off the majority of their teenage boys, who then have to be assimilated into our relatively monogamous society? And all those groups survive off welfare subsidized by incels slaves from the larger society. They are not economically sustainable. Your guy just want mormons to continue to live as parasites off the more functional monogamist host society.
Its slavery. No one fares worse then the average man in polygyny. Women are reduced to chattel, but at least they have the opportunity to reproduce. The highly variable mortality and reproductive success of the male is exacerbated by polygyny. Work ethic is never promoted in such an environment. Social trust and fair play are never promoted. Polygyny is the cause of all war and the cause of most crime and corruption.
I can slice this argument a dozen ways. If you examine polygyny from an evolutionary perspective, you see that it promotes high violence between males and low paternal investment in offspring. In this model, males try to kill off or subjugate as many other males as possible in their territory so they can impregnate as many females as possible. Its a waste of male potential. In monogamous species, males evolve to be co-parents and spent most of their energy taking care of a small number of offspring. Its the quantity vs quality schools of fatherhood: you are either selecting for males good at killing and mass impregnation or you are breeding for dads that have useful jobs and take care of kids.
Polygyny is highly dysgentic— the more polygyny a society tolerates, the worse it will be. All the worst countries in Europe are countries with higher levels of polygyny in their past. Albania?Hello? Colder climates have higher rates of monogamy because polygamy is just not sustainable in places with long winters. Monogamy is why white dads are better than black dads. Its the quality over quantity program. You think the dysgenics of polygyny cant be felt in a handful of genrations? You are wrong. Mormon populations are full of perverts like Warren Jeffs and that “16 and counting” guy that molested his sisters.
I haven’t even explained why polygyny leads to child brides. All highly polygynous societies have high marriage age disparities between disgusting old men and pubescent/pre-pubescent women. All. A scarcity of available females causes the male population normalize younger and younger girls as brides. And these are all true rape cultures. When you understand the economic and evolutionary dynamics of polygyny, when you understand the math, you will understand why all polygynous societies end up looking like Afghanistan. And they are all race mixers too. They have to be. You are creating societies with artificial scarcities of available females and then you are rewarding the most sexually aggressive males with extremely high rates of reproductive success and punishing cooperative “plodders” and good dads with zero success. Why is the middle east a shit hole? The dysgenics of polygyny.
The whole "Tyrone is violent because he doesn't know his father" is exactly what would be addressed by polygynous cohabitation (in contrast to the Karens that are shopping the gene pool).
No, it wouldnt. Tyrone is the result of high rates of polygamy. That is a slightly different model which is also dysgenic and also leads to high violence among males and crappy dads. To be elucidated on another occassion perhaps.
But polygyny is not about more freedom for women— that is nonsense. If it were, you would be suggesting women could take multiple husbands. Polygyny is only about freedom for a tiny group of criminal elite males who hoard women. The casualty is an economically prosperous, meritocratic, egalitarian high-trust society. Women will choose to have their own husband if he can make a living wage. Men will choose to limit themselves to one woman when they realize it is the only alternative to perpetual war and slavery and corruption.
We limit our “freedom” to behave dysgenically in order to have the most freedom possible, freedom from tyranny, and poverty and life in a fair, meritocratic society. Polygynists, single moms, bankers and government workers are all destroying that society. Interestingly, eugenic policies like monogamy tend to coincide with traditional european “christian” morals. These policies have worked, not because Jesus likes them, but because they select for desireable traits through evolution.
meh its going to hurt one. women are hypergamists if they have to compete for your affection eventually the one that gets less will look elsewhere. although the lesser will keep the primary so goddam tight, loyal, and affectionate it will be great.
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Edit: I corrected a typo, I mispelled developed as "deceloped". Oy vey.
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Plus your offspring would only be partially related.
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Having sex with more than one person in a calendar year is unsanitary. And emotionally confusing. It’s why africa is such a mess,
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Polygyny promotes prostitution too. Prostitution is used by elites to control the peasant males who are too poor to afford even a single wife, because the elites are hoarding all the females.
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If we have 10 Ukrainian women married to every ukrainian man to repopulate Ukraine, who will provide the labor to raise these children? Who will be running Ukraine, growing its food, etc.? Women?
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If you reduce the male populatin by 90% you are going to have a similar drop in the GDP.
Who is going to build these houses to accomodate 11 adults and their 22 children? Who is going to defend Ukraine from invasion? Who’s going to built roads, fix cars, keep the power grid running? Such a scenario would create a total economic collapse. There are things that men do that cannot be replaced by women. There are no instances of female run economies that are above neo-lithic levels of sophistication.
There are lots of examples of male populations being wiped out. They are replaced by invading males. Women do not find it feasible to perform male and female roles simultaneously. Why should they when they can just marry a russian? I can mow my own lawn and change my own oil but I have to hire men for all kinds of things. Who would I hire? A woman? You are dreaming if you think Ukraine could be anything like normal for 25 years or that it could go back to normal as a new generation of males have no older men to train them. Functional “white” economies require monogamous males to run them. Countries with high polygyny and high death rates among males (they go hand in hand) look like afghanistan. But even in those places the murder rate/war mortality is only like 5 or 10 percent.
It is. Wealthy guys like Trump and Mel have a string of these trophy wives. Each of these wives represent a working class man who was prevented from reproducing. See, alot of guys on this site will work their whole lives and never marry. That is slavery. They are supporting a society which favors jewish “chads” and other legal scammers who make alot of money and produce nothing. Death of meritocracy. Meritocracy and egalitarianism can only exist under monogamy.
Does wealth disparity cause polygyny or does polygyny cause wealth disparity? Its hard to say. But polygyny mathmatically requires male slaves to support “chads” and their harems. That is because said chads do not become wealthy by producing 10x the average worker output. Chads acquire harems through warlording (historically) and rent seeking behaviors. You cannot build a successful economy on rent seeking behaviors. Look up the term. The only way to afford more than one wife (practically speaking ) is through rent seeking behavior. The only way to become a billionaire is through rent seeking behavior. The only reason a woman would choose to share a man with 3 other women is if he makes more than 3 average workers put together. Rent seeking behavior is the only way to do this. It is a form of theft from productive workers to unproductive individuals. Its why we are in this shit show—compensation has been divorced from productivity.
THE.MATH.DOESN’T.WORK. I must have made a thousand comments like this. You guys always say women have no grasp of math, but you just don’t get it. If you have a society of 100 men and 100 women, which males are you going to tell they can never have sex in their lives? Which males will you condemn to work their entire life for some other man to reproduce? What would motivate these incels to continue to participate economically and not start fucking people over? It’s a bad deal! Why do you think the math works out differently when the population is 100,000,0000? Ask your mormon buddy why these polygamous mormon groups have to run off the majority of their teenage boys, who then have to be assimilated into our relatively monogamous society? And all those groups survive off welfare subsidized by incels slaves from the larger society. They are not economically sustainable. Your guy just want mormons to continue to live as parasites off the more functional monogamist host society.
Its slavery. No one fares worse then the average man in polygyny. Women are reduced to chattel, but at least they have the opportunity to reproduce. The highly variable mortality and reproductive success of the male is exacerbated by polygyny. Work ethic is never promoted in such an environment. Social trust and fair play are never promoted. Polygyny is the cause of all war and the cause of most crime and corruption.
I can slice this argument a dozen ways. If you examine polygyny from an evolutionary perspective, you see that it promotes high violence between males and low paternal investment in offspring. In this model, males try to kill off or subjugate as many other males as possible in their territory so they can impregnate as many females as possible. Its a waste of male potential. In monogamous species, males evolve to be co-parents and spent most of their energy taking care of a small number of offspring. Its the quantity vs quality schools of fatherhood: you are either selecting for males good at killing and mass impregnation or you are breeding for dads that have useful jobs and take care of kids.
Polygyny is highly dysgentic— the more polygyny a society tolerates, the worse it will be. All the worst countries in Europe are countries with higher levels of polygyny in their past. Albania?Hello? Colder climates have higher rates of monogamy because polygamy is just not sustainable in places with long winters. Monogamy is why white dads are better than black dads. Its the quality over quantity program. You think the dysgenics of polygyny cant be felt in a handful of genrations? You are wrong. Mormon populations are full of perverts like Warren Jeffs and that “16 and counting” guy that molested his sisters.
I haven’t even explained why polygyny leads to child brides. All highly polygynous societies have high marriage age disparities between disgusting old men and pubescent/pre-pubescent women. All. A scarcity of available females causes the male population normalize younger and younger girls as brides. And these are all true rape cultures. When you understand the economic and evolutionary dynamics of polygyny, when you understand the math, you will understand why all polygynous societies end up looking like Afghanistan. And they are all race mixers too. They have to be. You are creating societies with artificial scarcities of available females and then you are rewarding the most sexually aggressive males with extremely high rates of reproductive success and punishing cooperative “plodders” and good dads with zero success. Why is the middle east a shit hole? The dysgenics of polygyny.
No, it wouldnt. Tyrone is the result of high rates of polygamy. That is a slightly different model which is also dysgenic and also leads to high violence among males and crappy dads. To be elucidated on another occassion perhaps.
But polygyny is not about more freedom for women— that is nonsense. If it were, you would be suggesting women could take multiple husbands. Polygyny is only about freedom for a tiny group of criminal elite males who hoard women. The casualty is an economically prosperous, meritocratic, egalitarian high-trust society. Women will choose to have their own husband if he can make a living wage. Men will choose to limit themselves to one woman when they realize it is the only alternative to perpetual war and slavery and corruption.
We limit our “freedom” to behave dysgenically in order to have the most freedom possible, freedom from tyranny, and poverty and life in a fair, meritocratic society. Polygynists, single moms, bankers and government workers are all destroying that society. Interestingly, eugenic policies like monogamy tend to coincide with traditional european “christian” morals. These policies have worked, not because Jesus likes them, but because they select for desireable traits through evolution.
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