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Retard globohomos believe that the Earth and the Moon's gravity are competing over the same matter, but for some reason think the matter exists under a different condition for the Earth?

submitted by McNasty to SPACEisFAKEandGAY 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 15:11:34 ago (+9/-8)     (SPACEisFAKEandGAY)

The Flaws in Heliocentric Claims: Gravity, Atmosphere, and Lunar Tides

https://files.catbox.moe/lkcyvy.png

The heliocentric model, which posits that the Earth revolves around the Sun and the Moon orbits the Earth, is deeply ingrained in modern scientific thought. However, this model contains several inconsistencies and contradictions, especially when examining the behavior of our atmosphere and the influence of gravitational forces. By exploring these contradictions, we can expose the weaknesses in heliocentric claims regarding the atmosphere and the Moon's effect on tides.

The Atmosphere and the Vacuum of Space

One of the most glaring issues with the heliocentric model is the explanation of how our pressurized atmosphere can exist next to the near-perfect vacuum of space. According to the second law of thermodynamics, gases should naturally move from areas of higher pressure to lower pressure until equilibrium is reached. In this case, the high-pressure atmosphere should expand into the vacuum of space, yet this does not happen.

Proponents of the heliocentric model argue that gravity prevents this expansion. They claim that gravity, even at its weakest point on the edge of the atmosphere, is sufficient to keep the gases from dissipating into space. However, this explanation is fraught with problems. Gravity's pull weakens with distance, and at the edge of the atmosphere, it is significantly weaker than at the Earth's surface. The notion that this feeble gravitational pull can counteract the natural tendency of gases to expand into a vacuum is highly questionable.

The Moon and Tides

The explanation for tides in the heliocentric model further complicates the picture. It is claimed that the Moon's gravity is strong enough to cause high and low tides on Earth. This implies that the Moon's gravitational pull can influence the Earth's oceans, which are under the strongest influence of Earth's gravity. If the Moon can exert such a force on the Earth's oceans, then logically, the Moon's gravity should have an even stronger effect as we move upwards from the Earth's surface towards the Moon.

At higher altitudes, the Earth's gravitational pull weakens, while the Moon's influence would ostensibly become stronger. Therefore, at the edge of the atmosphere facing the Moon, both the Earth's and the Moon's gravitational forces should be competing for the same matter. This competition is further complicated by the presence of the vacuum of space, which would naturally draw the atmospheric gases outward.

Competing Gravitational Forces

If the Moon's gravity can pull on the water at the Earth's surface, where Earth's gravity is strongest, it stands to reason that this pull would be even more pronounced at higher altitudes, where Earth's gravity is weaker. Consequently, the gases in the atmosphere at the edge facing the Moon should be caught in a tug-of-war between the Earth's and the Moon's gravitational forces. The vacuum of space would add another layer of complexity, as it would exert a force causing the gases to expand outward.

This situation leads to a paradox: if gravity is indeed responsible for holding the atmosphere in place, then the Moon's gravitational pull should disrupt this balance, particularly at the edge of the atmosphere. The competing forces of Earth's gravity, the Moon's gravity, and the vacuum of space create a scenario that the heliocentric model fails to adequately explain.

Conclusion

The heliocentric claims that gravity can hold the atmosphere in place and that the Moon causes tides on Earth are fraught with inconsistencies. The second law of thermodynamics dictates that gases should expand into a vacuum, yet we are told gravity prevents this, even at its weakest point. Furthermore, if the Moon's gravity can cause tides on Earth, it should also significantly affect the atmosphere, particularly at higher altitudes where Earth's gravitational pull weakens. The heliocentric model's inability to reconcile these competing forces and natural laws highlights its flaws and calls into question its validity. By examining these inconsistencies, we can see that the explanations provided by the heliocentric model are not only implausible but also contradictory.


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[ - ] FreeinTX 5 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 15:49:14 ago (+6/-1)

https://files.catbox.moe/0gq5y5.jpg

Proof that the earth cannot possibly be flat.

https://www.voat.xyz/viewpost?postid=66a63ecd27027

Only if we deform the flat earth until it is a globe we can get all distances right.

ONLY IF ... all distances right

Our earth isn't pressurized.
G=M1M2/d^2

Conclusion - You're a disingenuous fucking nigger.

[ - ] UncleDoug 1 point 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 18:55:26 ago (+1/-0)

Our earth isn't pressurized.

I've already told these mongoloids that in a post yesterday. These flattard freaks think we live in a see through basketball because they have nigger brain.

[ - ] big_fat_dangus 0 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 15:56:55 ago (+2/-2)

Lol, McRetard annihilated once again. Keep up the good work.

[ - ] McNasty [op] -1 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 15:59:28 ago (+3/-4)

Lol. You're an idiot dude. Nobody's deforming the flat Earth. The flat Earth is the original map retard. It is deformed into a globe.

[ - ] big_fat_dangus 3 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 16:03:59 ago (+4/-1)

Oh sure bud. And a giant pink unicorn in the sky is playing a green piano, which is why baby seals are born with their paws on backwards.

[ - ] McNasty [op] 0 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 16:08:05 ago (+3/-3)

Whatever dude.

[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 22:46:11 ago (+1/-0)

https://files.catbox.moe/atwc9a.jpg

Australia doesn't lol like this.

However,

Only if we deform the flat earth until it is a globe we can get all distances right.

And you can't produce a "map" of shit. Maps have scales. You have no maps. You have imaginary drawings. Nothing more.

[ - ] McNasty [op] -1 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 23:03:18 ago (+0/-1)

Lol. All globes are created using the flat Earth map retard.

[ - ] Love240 -1 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 16:06:23 ago (+2/-3)

Our earth isn't pressurized.

What is the average air pressure at sea level?
What is the average air pressure at aircraft cruising altitudes?
Is this consistent with your claim that the earth isn't pressurized?

I await your answers (you disingenuous nigger™).

[ - ] big_fat_dangus 3 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 18:44:13 ago (+4/-1)

These are all things you could look up if you weren't a baby bird with it's craw open, begging others to feed you, like a bitch. Whether you actually have the capacity to understand, though, is another story, and one which your history doesn't look optimistically on.

[ - ] Love240 -1 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 18:50:00 ago (+1/-2)

These are all things you could look up

You are missing the point. I know the answers.
The point is that the answers prove that the earth indeed has a pressurized atmos.
Which proves that his statement;

Our earth isn't pressurized.

Is factually wrong.

if you weren't a baby bird with it's craw open, begging others to feed you, like a bitch. Whether you actually have the capacity to understand, though, is another story, and one which your history doesn't look optimistically on.

Not an argument. I accept your concession of defeat.

[ - ] big_fat_dangus 3 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 18:53:34 ago (+3/-0)

Claims to know answers, but can't state what they are.

You are reduced to a county fair huckster, and a second act at that.

[ - ] Love240 -1 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 19:06:28 ago (+0/-1)

Claims to know answers, but can't state what they are.

We get it, you don't understand the conversation.

Don't worry, if I was talking to you I would use smaller words.

[ - ] big_fat_dangus 2 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 19:23:41 ago (+2/-0)

The standard reddit "no u".

Pathetic, even for you.

[ - ] Love240 -2 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 22:34:48 ago (+0/-2)

Predictable response from you, the scorner.

[ - ] big_fat_dangus 2 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 22:53:59 ago (+2/-0)

You should whine about it some more, fag.

[ - ] FreeinTX 2 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 19:54:50 ago (+2/-0)*

Standard Pressure at sea level is 29.92 " of Hg.

And, just like you fucking admitted, is caused by the weight of the atoms weighing down upon the surface.

Pressure = density (times) gravitational constant (times) height of the substances above you.

This shit ain't hard, fag. And, yes, it EXACTLY matches the models that show this.
https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/air-pressure-at-altitude

Oh, don't forget,

Proof that the earth cannot possibly be flat.

https://www.voat.xyz/viewpost?postid=66a63ecd27027

Only if we deform the flat earth until it is a globe we can get all distances right.

ONLY IF ... all distances right

[ - ] Love240 -2 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 20:24:46 ago (+0/-2)

Pressure = density (times) gravitational constant (times) height of the substances above you.

Which is again begging the question, as the 'gravitational constant' is nowhere near constant, as it has been shown to fluctuate at the exact same spot day over day. (look into it, it really does fluctuate)

This shit ain't hard, fag.

It is apparently, ad hominem.

And, yes, it EXACTLY matches the models that show this.

I notice you didn't answer the second or third question which were equally as easy.

It's almost as if you don't want to admit that it is a pressurized system.

Proof that the earth cannot possibly be flat. https://www.voat.xyz/viewpost?postid=66a63ecd27027

A poor screenshot depicting what looks like Australia on a flat earth map.

That doesn't seem to prove anything other than that you are confused thinking that it does.

Only if we deform the flat earth until it is a globe we can get all distances right.

Have all options been exhausted? Is there proof of this or is this merely conjecture?

A critical view of this statement does not reveal it to be saying anything factual, merely that it is an opinion, one that desperately seeks to reify the globe model.

[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 22:36:29 ago (+1/-0)

Which is again begging the question, as the 'gravitational constant' is nowhere near constant

How much does the gravitational constant differ as a percentage from sea level to the edge of space?

Nigger, in a pressurized system, the non-instantaneous pressure in the system is the same at all points within the system.

In an open system, pressure is the result of the weight of the substances weighing down on a surface.

Why do you think people use pressure gouges?

And the globed earth model has a scale the can be and has been verified by literally thousands of people, every day, without anomaly, whereas the flat earth model that YOU said you believed was accurate, clearly isn't.



https://files.catbox.moe/atwc9a.jpg

Australia does not have this shape.

https://www.voat.xyz/viewpost?postid=66a63ecd27027

[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 22:39:58 ago (+1/-0)

I notice you didn't answer the second or third question which were equally as easy.

Here.

https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/air-pressure-at-altitude

Not hard, faggot.


[ - ] Love240 -1 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 22:41:36 ago (+0/-1)


You still haven't answered my questions.
That's a url, not an answer.
So you have refused to answer the second and most importantly the third question, while you continue to ad hom.

I accept your concession of defeat at this time. Thank you.

[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 22:48:08 ago (+1/-0)*

"Crusing altitudes" is not an altitude and pressure at sea level isn't constant, ya retarded homo. Maybe if you could figure out how to ask a question that can be answered, I'll answer it.

Put whatever altitude and sea level pressure you want into the calculator and it will give you a expected pressure at altitude.

How fucking dumb are you?

[ - ] Love240 -2 points 9 monthsJul 29, 2024 01:19:17 ago (+0/-2)

It has an answer, yet you chose to be disingenuous and not answer it.

Instead you have just exemplified the typical globe earther by exhibiting derision and insults with zero sound argumentation.

How fucking dumb are you?

I accept your concession of defeat.

[ - ] TheSimulacra -1 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 16:13:02 ago (+0/-1)

Even when you are told straight to your face you are being trolled, you still don't believe it. And here are you are feeding the trolls again.

The only person dumber than a flat earther are those still trying to prove them wrong.

[ - ] big_fat_dangus 4 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 16:23:05 ago (+4/-0)

Absolutely whack take. Bully retards at any and every opportunity.

[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 19:50:11 ago (+1/-0)*

Oh my God, you're the dumbest muther fucker on the fucking internet. Stop trying to suck my dick, you fucking queer. I don't need your protection, you utterly fucking stupid douche.

[ - ] TheSimulacra 1 point 9 monthsJul 29, 2024 16:26:11 ago (+1/-0)

Your rants are amazing, I can't help myself. When you swear like that, I imagine the little jew man insulting the trumpet player.

[ - ] FreeinTX 0 points 9 monthsJul 30, 2024 06:45:36 ago (+0/-0)

That's called "projection". It reveals more about you than me.

[ - ] TheSimulacra 0 points 9 monthsJul 31, 2024 22:12:54 ago (+0/-0)

Just like you haven't a clue what double speak is, you now obviously don't have a clue what projection is.

[ - ] TheSimulacra 0 points 9 monthsJul 31, 2024 22:14:57 ago (+0/-0)

And unfortunately for you, that little jew man has a much better vocaublary, so honestly you should take it as a compliment.

[ - ] GetFuckedCunt -1 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 16:20:32 ago (+1/-2)

The only troll here is you.

[ - ] DitchPig -2 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 16:58:11 ago (+1/-3)

Disingenuous Nigger™ strikes again!

[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 19:48:00 ago (+2/-1)

Yeah. I know why he keeps posting his bullshit, but it's clear as day that he knows the earth is a globe, but just being a disingenuous fucking nigger.

https://files.catbox.moe/0gq5y5.jpg

He should probably just stop.

[ - ] big_fat_dangus 4 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 15:57:30 ago (+5/-1)

Didn't you just post this idiotic shit yesterday?

[ - ] McNasty [op] 0 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 15:58:45 ago (+3/-3)

Yes. And all of you jewish shills said the same dumb shit so I addressed it.

You can't say that matter has different conditions for the Earth's gravity. You faggots are retarded.

[ - ] PostWallHelena 2 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 19:23:22 ago (+2/-0)

You did not answer my response. Which explained why you are wrong.

[ - ] McNasty [op] -1 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 20:31:39 ago (+0/-1)

I made a new post with additional content. What's your problem?

[ - ] PostWallHelena 2 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 20:38:03 ago (+2/-0)

You did not answer my response. If you read it carefully you would not need to make a new post with what appears to be the same problem I addressed exhaustively in the last one.

[ - ] McNasty [op] -1 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 20:39:35 ago (+0/-1)

I don't care about your questions. I let the comments speak for themselves. Let people make their own determinations about who is the jew.

[ - ] big_fat_dangus 0 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 16:02:54 ago (+1/-1)

What you're doing is called flooding. Stop doing it.

[ - ] McNasty [op] 0 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 16:03:20 ago (+2/-2)

Eat a dick

[ - ] big_fat_dangus 1 point 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 16:04:16 ago (+2/-1)

Boo hoo faggot.

[ - ] McNasty [op] 1 point 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 16:07:50 ago (+3/-2)

You're the one crying. I'm just giving you advice.

[ - ] Love240 0 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 16:06:58 ago (+2/-2)

Projection.

[ - ] big_fat_dangus 2 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 18:28:45 ago (+2/-0)

Most "look mom I'm helping" post of the year.

[ - ] Isaacjan -2 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 16:47:22 ago (+0/-2)

The fact you reply to this thread makes you the biggest retard of them all

[ - ] big_fat_dangus 1 point 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 16:48:19 ago (+2/-1)

He said, in reply to the reply. Use your brain before posting next time there champ.

[ - ] Isaacjan 0 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 17:06:20 ago (+1/-1)

You're an actual retard dude

[ - ] big_fat_dangus 2 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 18:07:38 ago (+2/-0)

Here you still are, replying in a thread that you said makes you a retard if you reply in it. Try using your brain, buddy.

[ - ] rzr97 1 point 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 17:06:12 ago (+1/-0)

Here's how you tell if it's a jew. Jews are trying to kill the white race and rather than focus on that, they focus on shit like this and Christianity.

Now, who is upvoting this retarded jew?

[ - ] McNasty [op] -1 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 20:27:21 ago (+0/-1)

Lol. You're a lying faggot kike.

[ - ] rzr97 1 point 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 20:36:09 ago (+1/-0)

Oh yeah. Let's meet and prove it. Prove you're not a fucking kike. We can video tape it you little bitch kike.

[ - ] McNasty [op] -1 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 20:37:23 ago (+0/-1)

Shut up faggot. Don't pretend you're a hard ass. You're a little pussy jew.

[ - ] rzr97 1 point 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 20:38:25 ago (+1/-0)

Ok, let's meet. I'll come to you kike.

[ - ] McNasty [op] -1 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 20:40:18 ago (+0/-1)

Lol. You remind me of my retarded cousin when we were 10 years old playing video games online. Lol. Why the fuck would I want to meet you?

[ - ] rzr97 1 point 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 20:41:44 ago (+1/-0)

You get to prove you're not a faggot, jew, pussy kike which everyone here knows you are. Of course you don't want to meet because you ARE in fact a faggot, jew, pussy kike.

[ - ] McNasty [op] -1 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 20:44:02 ago (+0/-1)

Whatever faggot. Lol. I don't fuck with 10 year olds.

[ - ] rzr97 1 point 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 20:45:35 ago (+1/-0)

Always remember your cowardice kike. Everyone else here will!

[ - ] McNasty [op] -1 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 20:46:37 ago (+0/-1)

Sure. You get triggered all the time?

[ - ] Doglegwarrior -1 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 18:40:22 ago (+0/-1)

The jew is fighting the white race with the

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basically jews where the early adopters of the MEEPAC and probably between ww1 and ww2 they figured out they could rule the world if they owned and ruled the MEEPAC... they were more right then they could have ever imagined...

The wrong side won ww2 Hitler might have been a puppet that broke free or he was always destined to lose a couple key bad decisions fucked Germany.

1. Had they went with aircraft carriers instead of battle ships that one thing might have won the war for them... I literally played axis an allies against good players. I spend no money my first round as Germany suicides my battle ships and spent every penny on aircraft carriers... i won I took brittan.

Anyways it's the fucking jews until a massive amount of people wake up to this whites are fucked.

The big problem feminism has turned almost all white women into traitors.. they won't get on board anytbing until it affects them by that time it will be well beyond over.. whites are already less then 8% of the world population yet we are still importing only black and brown and Asian people. It's so fucking insane its hard to even write it with out almost throwing up

[ - ] Love240 1 point 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 16:03:14 ago (+4/-3)

Well written.
They really do not have a satisfactory explanation for this contradiction.

Queue the ad hominems and down votes.

[ - ] PostWallHelena 3 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 19:20:46 ago (+3/-0)

I took a lot of time to explain his misapprehension of the problem 2 days ago when he posted the same issue here
https://www.upgoat.net/viewpost?postid=66a3fc67c390c

But he pussied out and failed to respond to my explanation. Feel free to read it and ask me questions about what you do not understand.

It is not well written. It is specious rhetoric— he is committing several logical fallacies.

First of all when gas escapes into space from the atmosphere (some of it does) it is because of the the gas molecule’s kinetic energy, not the moons gavitational pull. The moon doesnt have enough gravity to hold its own atmosphere let alone steal the Earth’s!

Secondly he assumes that the magnitude of the moon’s tidal forces on the ocean is higher that the magnitude of the earth’s gravity on the atmophere. Its not. They can be measured. How is Mcnasty measuring them? Oh he isnt.

Tidal forces are caused by a difference of the strength of the moon’s gravity at different points on the Earths surface, which causes the shape of the Earth (mostly its seas) to deform as it rotates (different points experience variable magnitudes of the moon’s gravity at different times of day). But the moon is not ripping away the seas of the Earth with its gravity. Thats not what high tide is. So the failure of the moon to rip away the atmosphere into space (a process not caused by gravity) does not disprove the theory of gravity or the classical physics model.

Newton and Boyle

[ - ] Love240 -2 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 20:00:22 ago (+0/-2)

It is not well written. It is specious rhetoric— he is committing several logical fallacies.

I see that you claim he is, but I do not see any examples of logical fallacies in your response.

It seems the crux of your argument relies on 'Escape velocity', which completely ignores the kinetic theory of gases, wherein there need not be any sort of escape velocity in order for gas to 'seek' equilibrium when exposed to a lower pressure area, as is demonstrated at all elevations and pressures that have been measured.

First of all when gas escapes into space from the atmosphere (some of it does) it is because of the the gas molecule’s kinetic energy, not the moons gavitational pull. The moon doesnt have enough gravity to hold its own atmosphere let alone steal the Earth’s!

And it would continue to escape at a continuous rate until pressure is equalized.
If the moon's supposed gravitational pull has no effect, then how is it claimed that it has an effect on the tide (which is at the earth's surface)?

These are contradictory to each other, and what we are specifically drawing attention to.

Tidal forces are caused by a difference of the strength of the moon’s gravity at different points on the Earths surface, which causes the shape of the Earth (mostly its seas) to deform as it rotates

The ability to affect water at the earth's surface is several magnitudes more force than simply taking the upper atmos(phere) away.

Once again, these things are entirely contradictory.

Newton and Boyle

Try Maxwell and Boltzmann.

Everything you have said is merely conjecture.

If we lose atmos(phere), and it is agreed that we do, then nothing is stopping it's continual loss.

Yet that is not what we experience.

We have experienced millennia of stable atmos(phere) (as far as we understand).

This does not jive with the globe model, as there is no mechanism beyond conjecture that 'gravity' somehow stops entire loss of the atmos(phere).

The conjecture of 'escape velocity' begs the question (an actual logical fallacy) while ignoring the ground effects that we clearly observe that directly contradict the 'gravity' argument.

[ - ] PostWallHelena 2 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 22:20:27 ago (+2/-0)

It seems the crux of your argument relies on 'Escape velocity', which completely ignores the kinetic theory of gases,

No it fits right in to the kinetic theory of gases. The kinetic energy of a gas molecule is (1/2)mv^2 where mass is the mass of the molecule ans v is its velocity. The kinetic energy (and therefor the velocity) of the gas molecule is a function of its temperature: (1/2)mv^2 =(3/2) kB *T where kB is Boltzmans constant. So you can calculate the velocity of any gas molecule with its molecular mass and its temperature. Heavier molecules will have slower velocities at the same temperature.

Because the force of Earth’s gravity on the molecule (or any object ) is GMm/r where G is the gravitational consyant and M is Earth’s mass and m is the molecule’s mass and r is the distance from the Earth’s center to the molecule in the atmosphere, the kinetic energy of the molecule must exceed the gravity (1/2)mv^2 >GMm/r and the velocity must exceed “escape velocity,” v > √(2GM/r) to leave Earth’s atmosphere (escape velocity is derived from the previous equation. ) The Earth’s escape velocity is 11.2 km/s ( the moon’s is 2.3) The speed of N2 and O2 and CO2 at typical Earth temperatures is below 11.2km/s but above 2.3, which is why the Moon has no oxygen. Hydrogen and helium molecules frequently exceed 11.2km/s at Earth temperatures which is why they escape into space and we have little of those gases in the atmosphere. Is is all consisent with kinetic theory of gasses and infact relies on it.

And it would continue to escape at a continuous rate until pressure is equalized.
The pressure is “equalized”. The force of the gas pressing “up” toward outerspace is countered by the force of Earth’s gravity pressing down upon it. The system is in eqilibrium.
If the moon's supposed gravitational pull has no effect, then how is it claimed that it has an effect on the tide (which is at the earth's surface)?

Its not zero effect, its GMm/r where M is the mass of the moon ans r is the distance to the moon the “r” is huge which means the moon’s gravity on a gas molecule in the atmosphere is negligable next to Earths gravity. The moon’s weak gravity has the same effect on the gas in the atmosphere as it does on the oceans. The atmosphere is deformed by tidal forces as well. High tide occurs in the atmosphere as well. It is the same phenomenon, but the moon does not pull either the atmosphere or the oceans out of the Earths gravity well.

You just blithely assume that because you notice an “effect” of the moon’s grav that you know what its magnitude is and that it is sufficient to remove Earths atmosphere. You are conflating different phenomena. You have measured tidal force to be “Real strong” which you have determine must be strong enough to rip away gas molecules from the outer atmosphere because you have a sense about it or something. You cant do it like that. There are equations that predict the moons tidal forces. They work.

The ability to affect water at the earth's surface is several magnitudes more force than simply taking the upper atmos(phere) away.

Proove it. You cant. I did all these equations. They are proven. Like 2 +2 =4.

Try Maxwell and Boltzmann.

Them too. They are all relevant to the discussion.

This does not jive with the globe model, as there is no mechanism beyond conjecture that 'gravity' somehow stops entire loss of the atmos(phere).

Not somehow. Theres nothing mysterious about it. Its simple mechanics. Its not conjecture. Just saying conjecture alot doesnt really proove an accusation of conjecture.

[ - ] Love240 -2 points 9 monthsJul 29, 2024 00:49:45 ago (+0/-2)

You can argue, I'll give you that
But an argument does not equal proof.

You have presented two equations, but they must be set up to try a scenario.
The equations themselves do not equal proof.

We can start at the simplest point, the surface using average kinetic energy because the distance from the surface is what is really going to be affecting the average energy.

(Go ahead and argue velocity, I dare you. When you combine the Ideal gas law with the 1st equation from the Postulates of the Kinetic Theory of Gases, you will find that quartering the temperature only halves the velocity. The O2 molecules in air at room temperature move about 50 percent faster than a jet, and H2 molecules are nearly 4x faster than that.)

Average Kinetic Energy = (3/2)(R/Na)T
g = GM/d^2 is the local gravitational acceleration (or the surface gravity, when d = r).
and
g = 9.80665 m/s2

As the molecule increases in altitude g decreases inversely according to the square of the change of d.
This means as d increases by 2 Km, g is reduced by 1/4.
Average kinetic energy loss by temperature is only linear. and at 6.5 °C (11.7 °F) per Km.
Meanwhile the linear velocity is increasing due to an increase in angular velocity as d increases.
The average velocity and the increase in radius are directly proportional.
Because the energy loss due to temperature and the energy increase due to increased radius are both directly proportional (linear), they are relatively negligible and more or less cancel each other out.
Whereas the decrease in g because of the increase in d (or r) is inversely related and parabolic, it decreases at literal exponential rate.

This translates to less 'gravitational' influence over a particle at any given distance greater than the surface and an negligible change in the particle's average kinetic energy.

Thus, distance from the center it is the defining measurement that makes all of the globe earth claims fall apart.

There is no mathematical basis for the gasses to stop diffusion into a 'near perfect vacuum'.

Proove it. You cant. I did all these equations. They are proven. Like 2 +2 =4.

You didn't 'do' any equations. You just presented the equation and made an explanation for it.

Actually looking at the factors that influence the energy of the system, we can clearly see the inverse relationship with distance is a much larger factor than the linear factor of temperature, leaving the gas molecules with more kinetic energy as they ascend, not less.

Not somehow. Theres nothing mysterious about it. Its simple mechanics. Its not conjecture. Just saying conjecture alot doesnt really proove an accusation of conjecture.

Just saying it's not conjecture doesn't make it not conjecture, either.

It is indeed conjecture.

[ - ] PostWallHelena 2 points 9 monthsJul 29, 2024 13:54:36 ago (+2/-0)

This means as d increases by 2 Km, g is reduced by 1/4.

What? Maybe Im misunderstanding you. Is that kilometers? The edge of the atmosphere is maybe 100 km above the Earth. There is hardly any atmosphere there really. Most of it is below some point a bit higher than Mt Everest. But 100km/6400km is about 1.5%. Your d^2 in the denominator is not changing all that much. Gravitiy does not drop by a 1/4 within the atmopshere. Gravity at the ISS is about .9 g which is well above the atmosphere.

As the molecule increases in altitude g decreases inversely according to the square of the change of d.

As the molecule increases in altitude the pressure drops, the temperature drops, the speed drops. Wheres the air pressure heaviest? At sea level. Which is where the gases are moving the fastest. Why should this be? How can OP’s “gases want to expand” argument explain why the air is so thin at the top of Everest? You cant do it without gravity. Gravity holds the majority of the atmosphere within a few kilometers of Earth where it is highly pressurized and, as a result, warmer. Gas is alot slower at the top of the atmosphere and gravity has only weakened by 1 or 2 percent.

There is no mathematical basis for the gasses to stop diffusion into a 'near perfect vacuum'.
they are not even diffusing evenly at the height of everest! Thats why you have you bring O2!

Meanwhile the linear velocity is increasing due to an increase in angular velocity as d increases.

Not within the frame of reference.

You didn't 'do' any equations.

Yeah I did. I did all these equations over and over again in physics classes for years. You didnt do these equations. I see alot of verbiage and little or no math. Your math doesnt work. The classical physics model works for all this stuff and I know because I took the classes and they made me do the math. Its only the people who didnt take these classes that think “things dont add up”.

[ - ] Love240 -2 points 9 monthsJul 29, 2024 14:02:00 ago (+0/-2)

I just layed out the equations and you can see by the relationships of T, V and d that the d is going to be the fastest influencing factor, which is distance from the surface of the earth.

The fact that there is still a misunderstanding means that the math must be demonstrated in order for there to be a conclusion, because you do not understand the relationships between the factors.

Yeah I did.

No you didn't, that's why I had to explain the relationships between those factors. If you had 'done the equations' we'd have a result for given altitudes with a temperature change and a velocity change.

You didn't do that.

Demonstrate the calculations and this can all be over.

I already know the relationship between the factors because I've taken math greater than geometry before, that's why I went through the explanation for you.

But since you still don't get it (and it's pretty basic), there's kind of no point in discussing it further.

[ - ] PostWallHelena 2 points 9 monthsJul 29, 2024 14:13:12 ago (+2/-0)

Think about the pressure problem. Take as long as you like. You and OP should be able to articulate why pressure drops as altitude increases. The kinetic energy of gas goes way down at the top of the atmosphere, much faster than gravity.

[ - ] Love240 -2 points 9 monthsJul 29, 2024 16:08:27 ago (+0/-2)

Think about the pressure problem.

You too; Pressurized atmos(phere) directly next to a 'near perfect vacuum'.

Take as long as you like.

Back at ya, toots.

[ - ] GodDoesNotExist 0 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 22:00:07 ago (+0/-0)

The moon does not pull on the water, it pulls on the earth which changes shape and then the water moves because of that change.

Go back to school and get buttfucked by a lgbtq teacher.

[ - ] McNasty [op] 0 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 22:08:40 ago (+1/-1)

The moon does not pull on the water, it pulls on the earth which changes shape and then the water moves because of that change.

I'm trying to argue with heliocentrism. Let's see what heliocentrism has to say about the moon causing ocean tides.

Let's hear the ridiculous shit NASA says.

https://science.nasa.gov/moon/tides/

As distant as the Moon may seem, its gravitational pull on Earth plays a huge role in the formation of tides.

So does the moon have a gravitational effect on the Earth or not?

[ - ] MrPancake 0 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 17:54:22 ago (+1/-1)

I have always wondered how gravity can keep the atmosphere from venting into the vacuum. I wonder if it has less to do with (the artist formally known as gravity) and rather our magnetic field interacting with the suns output. Essentially compressing the gas under the solar current. The universe seems more electric than gravitational. Also; don't forget to start a family and get chickens.

[ - ] McNasty [op] -1 points 9 monthsJul 28, 2024 20:28:02 ago (+0/-1)

If I'm being genuine with you, it has to do with the flat Earth.