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Oils and lard

submitted by Razzoriel to Epicurious 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 16:44:57 ago (+13/-1)     (Epicurious)

Here's a quick tier list for newcomers, from worst to best.

E - Soybean oil
D - Linseed oil
C - Other seed oils
B - Coconut, avocado oil♤
A - Olive oil
S - Animal tallow

♤ - Avocado oil is very commonly counterfeited and has a different nutritional profile than coconut. Its not better nor worse than coconut, but you'll have to take care with who you buy your stuff from.


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[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 16:57:11 ago (+0/-0)

I don’t get it.

[ - ] Razzoriel [op] 0 points 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 17:07:39 ago (+0/-0)

Use the best cooking element for your needs. Dont buy seed oils.

[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 17:39:38 ago (+0/-0)

But what are the letters for? Did you just arbitrarily assign letters to these oils? Does your native alphabet start with E? Im just baffled. I looked up tier S fats — I got a bunch of links about tigers.

[ - ] Razzoriel [op] 0 points 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 17:49:39 ago (+0/-0)

[ - ] PostWallHelena 2 points 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 18:00:32 ago (+2/-0)

Ok its an academic grading system but I never saw S used. Thanks.

[ - ] bobdole9 1 point 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 19:32:25 ago (+1/-0)

I never saw S used

Glad I wasn't the only one.

[ - ] Razzoriel [op] 2 points 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 21:16:41 ago (+2/-0)

I didn't even add the SS, SSS, SSS+ and XS tiers that japs also use sometimes.

[ - ] Master_Foo 0 points 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 18:39:21 ago (+0/-0)

"This butter is good, but I'm watching my carbs!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9eI9Jz2ifI

[ - ] NaturalSelectionistWorker 0 points 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 21:26:23 ago (+0/-0)

Why is olive oil better than coconut oil?

[ - ] Razzoriel [op] 0 points 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 21:51:50 ago (+0/-0)

More stable, AKA oxidizes slower over time when stored. Also has better digestability and blends better with protein. Coconut oil can be described as not good, but not terrible, as it oxidizes slower than seed oils and has more saturated fat, but will require chemical stabilizers to not go bad, something olive oil does not need, or only a small fraction.

[ - ] Steelerfish 0 points 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 22:12:19 ago (+0/-0)

MCT oil…

Stop using goyslop

[ - ] Razzoriel [op] 0 points 7 monthsSep 15, 2024 07:35:25 ago (+0/-0)

Palm and coconut oil.

[ - ] TheBigGuyFromQueens 0 points 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 22:38:57 ago (+0/-0)

I USE COCONUT OIL B4 I PUT ON MY DURAG TO GET WAVES

[ - ] Ragnar 0 points 7 monthsSep 15, 2024 00:15:11 ago (+0/-0)

You may wanna research olive oil more

[ - ] Razzoriel [op] 0 points 7 monthsSep 15, 2024 07:34:52 ago (+0/-0)

Here's my thoughts on olive oil: the worst olive oil will not flush your intestines and cause inflammation by its huge amount of insaturated fat and make you a zombie by having to fight the side effects of it. That's seed oils for you. Coconut and avocado do the same thing, but are more stable, hence they do not inflammate you as much. Olive oil is the most stable commercial cooking oil today, even the counterfeit shit. It only does not beat tallow because tallow is good for you, and olive oil at worst will not wreck your digestive system.

[ - ] Ragnar 0 points 7 monthsSep 16, 2024 12:51:32 ago (+0/-0)

I’m not sure where you are getting your information from, mate, but it’s incorrect.

The fact that olive oil is mostly mufa and pufa, and coconut oil is mostly sfa makes olive oil less stable by default. That’s just a chemical fact.

From cooking perspective itself, the smoking point of olive oil is much lower than coconut oil and tallow and even avocado oil. Any olive oil they sell for sautéing and frying is cut with other oils, often soybean.

So in comparison coconut oil (and palm oil) wins for both stability on shelf and high temperatures. However, coconut oil does have some histamines which some people react to. I also hate the smell.

This is not to mention that tallow obviously wipes the floor with all other fats and oils.

There’s a burgeoning body of evidence that mufa in olive oil is especially fattening. You have to dig up research on Spain and Italy vs France. Spain and Italy used to cook with only lard but now they cook primarily with olive oil, whereaa France has always been big on butter. In various studies, France comes out the best in terms of various diseases. Unfortunately, more recently France has also started using seed and olive oils.

In conclusion, you can have your extra virgin olive oil raw and cold occasionally. You must cook with tallow or alternatively coconut/palm oil

[ - ] Razzoriel [op] 0 points 7 monthsSep 16, 2024 12:53:43 ago (+0/-0)

Thank you for agreeing with the tier positions.

[ - ] Ragnar 0 points 7 monthsSep 16, 2024 13:17:34 ago (+0/-0)

A and B should be switched

[ - ] Razzoriel [op] 0 points 7 monthsSep 16, 2024 14:52:09 ago (+0/-0)*

The primary health problems with seed oils is extreme oxidation. Avocado oil is more succeptible to that, especially under light.

Avocado oil is also 50% more concentrated with phytosterols, which are androgenic and make you grow tits due to replacing healthy colestherol in your body that is the primary compound for testosterone synthesis.

Granted, its still less than other seed oils, so Ill keep the tiers.

Source: 2012 Comparative study of avocado oil and olive oil (Berasategi, Barriuso, Ansorena)

[ - ] Ragnar 0 points 7 monthsSep 16, 2024 15:16:40 ago (+0/-0)

I can’t disagree with you re avocado oil without more research but I am inclined to believe you. Although most avocado oil comes packaged in dark opaque bottles.
My point was olive oil ranks lower than coconut oil and palm oil when it comes to cooking with it.

[ - ] Razzoriel [op] 0 points 7 monthsSep 16, 2024 15:25:23 ago (+0/-0)

There are great studies comparing them all and its amazing just how well olive oil performs. Mediterranean cuisine uses it a lot for a reason, despite also having reasonable access to tallow. Also check saturated fats; avocado oil has unsaturated fat as its main component, whole coconut oil is mostly saturated.

[ - ] Ragnar 0 points 7 monthsSep 16, 2024 16:04:04 ago (+0/-0)

I don’t understand where the confusion is stemming from. I’m not defending avocado oil. I don’t even put it in the same category as coconut oil. All I’m saying is coconut oil as being mostly sfa is more stable for cooking than olive oil.

Re medis using olive oil, traditionally they mostly used it for salads and dips. The past century has seen them using it for cooking more and more. If you look at the countries that use olive oil the most, it’s Spain and Italy and some North Africa. These countries are easily beaten by France for doing better in all diseases and longevity. France has never used oil in cooking until recently.
Personally, on my travels I noticed Italians and Spanish age badly and get fat and slow. The French look lean and sharp in their 80s. Milanese are an exception to Italy as they age similarly to the French. They also eat very similarly to the French. And guess what fat they eat? Butter, lard, not olive oil.

There’s a succinct video by Brad Marshall on this topic you can look up

[ - ] Razzoriel [op] 0 points 7 monthsSep 16, 2024 16:27:19 ago (+0/-0)

Thanks, ill take a look. I think we are on the same page.
Continue thread

[ - ] PostWallHelena 1 point 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 17:03:50 ago (+2/-1)

You know what makes me laugh?

RAPEseed oil.

No wonder they renamed it canola.

Everytime I see RAPEseed I fall apart.

Whadya farm, mister?

I grow RAPEseed

Damn. Id stay away from that guys fields.

[ - ] Razzoriel [op] 2 points 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 17:05:56 ago (+2/-0)

WELCOME TO THE RAPEFIELDS MOTHERFUCKER as a warcry would put a shitton of fear into enemies

[ - ] Razzoriel [op] 1 point 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 17:09:35 ago (+1/-0)

Why the hell didnt the English world did not adopt the Iberian translation ("Sunspin seeds")? The flower does indeed look like a huge sun.

[ - ] Thought_Criminal 1 point 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 18:13:52 ago (+1/-0)

Avacado oil?

[ - ] Razzoriel [op] 0 points 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 18:22:40 ago (+0/-0)

Added.

[ - ] letsgetit 1 point 7 monthsSep 15, 2024 01:04:38 ago (+1/-0)

Olive oils are not created equal.

If you want the best. Look for Extra Virgin in a dark glass bottle and preferably one that is harvested recently. It will have more polyphenols. Also the vineyard matters look for a company that tests for polyphenol count.

[ - ] dass 1 point 7 monthsSep 15, 2024 05:13:27 ago (+1/-0)

And cold pressed.

[ - ] iSnark 2 points 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 16:46:18 ago (+2/-0)

Hey, Where would we see those codes for the various Oils & Fats? (The E,D,C,B,A,S)

[ - ] Gowithit 8 points 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 16:48:01 ago (+8/-0)

Economical
'dustrial
Cancer
Bah
Alright
Superior

[ - ] PostWallHelena 3 points 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 16:58:29 ago (+4/-1)

Lol! ‘dustrial.

[ - ] JudyStroyer 1 point 7 monthsSep 15, 2024 07:38:23 ago (+1/-0)

Super high quality trolling.

[ - ] iSnark 0 points 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 16:50:59 ago (+0/-0)

Is this really a thing, or are you blowing smoke? Source?

[ - ] Gowithit 3 points 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 16:55:09 ago (+3/-0)

I have no idea what the actual codes are. But it makes the most sense.

[ - ] Razzoriel [op] 0 points 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 16:52:21 ago (+0/-0)

You bookmark this and consult it when purchasing. You are welcome.

[ - ] iSnark 1 point 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 16:57:33 ago (+1/-0)

Thank you for posting it, What would I consult when purchasing? Are these codes posted anywhere specific where I can find them? I just need to know where in the real world to find them.

[ - ] Razzoriel [op] 1 point 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 17:06:34 ago (+1/-0)

Its a tier list. Worst is E-tier, best is S-tier

[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 17:07:07 ago (+1/-1)

Its like a brain teaser or a murder mystery. He cant just tell us. That would ruin the fun.

[ - ] iSnark 1 point 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 17:33:58 ago (+1/-0)

I've always thought that Upgoat/VOAT was an online escape room... Any hints on how to get to freedom? ;-)

[ - ] PostWallHelena -1 points 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 17:41:03 ago (+0/-1)

THERE IS NO SANCTUARY.

[ - ] iSnark 0 points 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 17:42:19 ago (+0/-0)

Story of my life... ;-)

[ - ] Razzoriel [op] -1 points 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 17:11:13 ago (+0/-1)

I could have used my native tier standards as a score from 0 to 10, but instead I used the E to S tier more common with 'merica. Muricans still dont get it. No wonder that shithole is getting destroyed by papercuts.

[ - ] PostWallHelena 0 points 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 17:34:55 ago (+0/-0)

I dont get it if you refuse to provide any context for this post. Is this some sort of industrial code on the labeling? We dont know because your were too spergy to bother giving us the basic information about your list.

One thing you can say about us ‘Muricans.....we’re not in your fucking head! Why don’t you through us a bone, autist.

[ - ] Anus_Expander 2 points 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 17:00:14 ago (+2/-0)

I only use goose grease

[ - ] lord_nougat 2 points 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 17:53:35 ago (+2/-0)

"Oils and Lard" sound like a cool band name.

[ - ] germ22 2 points 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 18:14:10 ago (+2/-0)

If you go to the grocery store and look for soy bean oil, you will have a difficult time finding it by looking at the front label alone. You need to look at the ingredient list of "vegetable oil" to find 100% soy bean oil.
Why do they feel the need to hide soy bean oil like that?

[ - ] Zyklonbeekeeper 2 points 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 18:46:30 ago (+2/-0)

Frying potatoes in butter...2 parts butter 2 parts extra virgin olive oil, slice your taters thin (thickness of your blade), don't burn the oil, sprinkle salt, black pepper and paprika and fry until brown...THE BEST

[ - ] Portmanure 3 points 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 17:00:19 ago (+3/-0)

S gets my vote!

[ - ] Kozel 10 points 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 17:12:45 ago (+10/-0)

butter

[ - ] Razzoriel [op] 3 points 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 17:28:12 ago (+3/-0)

I dont think you can fry potatoes in butter. Its a different thing, but if its to put everything together, yes its S tier, just like margarine is F tier.

[ - ] Lurkathon9000 3 points 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 17:45:02 ago (+3/-0)

You're right, butter would burn. You can fry with ghee. I'd place ghee and butter in S tier.

[ - ] Ragnar 1 point 7 monthsSep 15, 2024 00:14:47 ago (+1/-0)

Ghee stinks

[ - ] Razzoriel [op] 0 points 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 18:28:51 ago (+0/-0)

Ghee does not have protein. Its a huge downer, but being lighter, it has its upsides in certain recipes.

[ - ] Kozel 1 point 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 18:32:45 ago (+1/-0)

you can fry potato in air fryer with no fats

[ - ] Belfuro 4 points 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 20:57:17 ago (+4/-0)

I air fry potatoes with fat.

Just a heads up, brain degenerative diseases are caused by lack of animal fats.

Check out surge in these diseases

[ - ] Kozel 1 point 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 22:05:22 ago (+1/-0)

thats why i eat butter like ice cream

[ - ] Gowithit 2 points 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 22:09:22 ago (+2/-0)

I have a theory with only anecdotal proof to back it up. Girls who eat a lot of butter grow up to have larger busts. Same with men?

[ - ] letsgetit 3 points 7 monthsSep 15, 2024 01:06:39 ago (+3/-0)

Strangely enough I can confirm this with 2 girls. Both have overly large busts

[ - ] Peleg 2 points 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 22:43:51 ago (+2/-0)

So you're saying @Kozel gots some big titties. Okay.

[ - ] Gowithit 1 point 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 22:47:15 ago (+1/-0)

he should probably post...for science.

[ - ] GreatSatan 3 points 7 monthsSep 15, 2024 03:48:40 ago (+3/-0)

reddit is down the hall and to the left

[ - ] Razzoriel [op] 2 points 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 18:47:15 ago (+2/-0)

Why would you, though? I get the practicity aspect of it, but fats are healthy.

[ - ] Kozel 2 points 7 monthsSep 14, 2024 20:37:24 ago (+2/-0)

set it and forget it i can eat a stick of butter if i need more fats

[ - ] GreatSatan 0 points 7 monthsSep 15, 2024 03:47:55 ago (+0/-0)

Ghee