Is it possible to survive the atomic war by living away from big cities? Will they bomb only big cities, or also small towns far away? Will the radiation spread to small towns, or will they be safe from radiation?
Do you think they are even remotely the same thing?
A "nuclear power plant" is essentially a steam turbine.
The slow fissile reaction creates heat, which boils water, which drives a turbine generator. That slow fissile reaction CANNOT EXPLODE. Certainly cannot chain reaction anything. It just gets hot.
The "explosion" at a failed nuclear power plant is from steam pressure buildup. It has nothing to do with nuclear anything, the explosion. The same thing would happen to an earthquake damaged coal fired steam turbine.
For the sane, a nuclear power plant and fission bomb both use the same source of energy: fission. The reactor just controls the rate and stability rather than going for maximum and destroying everything within range.
As expected. You don't need maximum number of fissions in a short time, refinement is expensive, and they don't want nuclear fuel to be something requiring extreme security because it's weapons-grade material.
I lived in San Diego for nearly 10 years before FUKUSHIMA. I never saw a single chemtrail (or contrail for that matter).
The very next day after fukushima... I saw them everywhere, skies that had always been clear, were now full of this. The first ones I saw were so dense, I literally thought they might be missiles firing. They were unlike any thing I had ever seen and I am quite worldly.
Now, they are a bit smaller, but commonplace. Prior to that day,it was just some shit I'd barely heard about. my theory is something went down in that scenario that we were not made aware of.
So a couple of things the most of the weapons designed today are designed in such a way that they will produce the least radiation possible. So if you survive the initial blast and firestorm and you're not directly downwind my guess is that the radiation would not be as much of a problem however that's with air bursts. For example Hiroshima and Nagasaki were my weapons that were exploded high in the air above the cities and that was specifically done so it would not pull up a lot of dirt and material from the ground which is how radiation is spread. That's why Hiroshima Nagasaki or octopod today. However if people start using nuclear bunker busters then they're going to drive deep in the ground and if they explode in such a way that they raised plumes of dirt then that would cause more long-term radiation to be spread over large areas so I guess you really can't know.
I am not one of these people that believe that it be widespread chaos after such a exchange in terms of the people. But that depends on where you live. If you live in Chicago well that's a crazy black infested place where they'll kill you now and it's going to be worse after total breakdown of society but if you live in a mostly white area what you'll see is the same kind of cooperation that happens after natural disasters volunteerism people coming together making sure each other get fed and help an old people. You know in Western North Carolina after the hurricane disaster we've seen people come from West Virginia and all around they're rebuilding the roads there doing all this stuff and we've seen that happen time and time again in white areas. So you want to be in white rural areas after something like that because the cooperation will be the best.
Airburst is done to achieve a wider diameter of destruction. The shockwave travels farther when the warhead is detonated at altitude.
Nuclear bunker busters are another matter and most of the radioactive material would be contained below ground. They penetrate hundreds of feet below ground before detonating and are relatively low yield warheads. Cleanup would be a bitch but they are in no way comparable to dirty nukes.
An atomic war won't play out the way you think it will.
A few nukes will explode. Very little fallout, but they'll claim there is a lot.
Then the government will take control of all food production. Plants, grains, livestock, dairy. All of it falls under government control because the land, water, rain, and air is contaminated. And only the government can say it's safe. All farm land and equipment is seized because it's contaminated. The only food production allowed to take place is done by government controlled collective farms. Anyone trying to grow, sell, or even eat their own food is arrested and poisoned in prison, and their death is blamed on radiation.
Travel restrictions. If you travel at a time, or through a place they don't want you to, your vehicle is seized (because it's irradiated) and you're imprisoned for spreading radiation. They'll poison and murder you in jail and they'll say you died of radiation.
A town has a bunch of people who think the wrong way - They'll claim the wind or rain irradiated the town, and they lose all of their property. They murder whoever they want to, but they'll blame radiation.
They'll seize whatever property they want. Murder individuals, groups, or entire cities, and blame it on radiation. They can force an entire city to get radiation treatment. Use that excuse to murder as many people as they want. And then repopulate the city because they say it's now safe.
People will live in constant fear of invisible radiation. At any time the wind blows, or the rain falls, the government can show up and take everything you own, murder you and your family, and blame it on the invisible radiation.
Most modern Nukes are not like the old nukes that everyone thinks about(like the 50's fusion and fission bombs) They work much differently today, then warheads of yesteryear.
Todays nukes are Gamma enhanced Neutron Bombs. (US, Israel, Russia, China, India) Pac and N korea MAY also have these weapons. Its a toss up whether Iran has them. We know now that Iran does in fact have working Atom bombs, thanks to last weeks test.
These bombs have a smaller traditional blast effect, but put out huge amounts of short term radiation that kills all living animals in the blast radious, but does not cause much actual structural damage at all. The bad radiation goes to half life in about 18 months with these weapons. The cities do not get destroyed and you can move right back into them in about 24-36 months (It's the whole point of these type of weapons, so you can reclaim the cities)
Long story short. IF you can survive the first year or so, pretty good chanced you can survive the radiation left over after wards.
The collapse of society, though, is another question all together.
Fun fact: The Russkies and Chinese no longer need to even use these type of weapons. The hypersonics can hit with up to 2 megatons of kinetic force, making a warhead moot at that point. They also both have the conventional Thermobaric warheads that can generate up too at least .50- .75-ish megatones (as we've seen repeatedly used in the Ukraine)
Thats the dirty secret of the elite's who think they can survive in their bunkers.... They actually can wait it out 18 months...
Russia has built Subway systems that are designed to be fallout shelters and they have recently revitalized those. North Korea was completely bombed to nothing by the USA during the Korean War so that's why they have some of the deepest subway stations in the world they're specifically built as bomb shelters. We really don't have that kind of thing in the US although there may be a few remaining ones left over from the 50s and 60s.
They will bomb military targets, not just cities. Bases, silos, etc. Get some iodine tablets just in case. They hand those out to people that live near nuclear reactors in case they melt down.
It's very unlikely that nuclear weapons will be employed as WW3 escalates. Targets will likely be first struck by supersonic missile systems designed to penetrate hardened facilities like server farms or other telecomm hubs and infrastructure. Orbital satellites are also more ideal prime targets than cities.
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[ + ] BulletStopper
[ - ] BulletStopper 3 points 7 monthsOct 31, 2024 09:48:51 ago (+3/-0)*
(And nobody outside of a 1950's movie calls it "atomic war". It's "nuke-u-lar war". George Bush junior taught us that.)
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I wouldn't worry about it, bro.
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[ + ] DitchPig
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A "nuclear power plant" is essentially a steam turbine.
The slow fissile reaction creates heat, which boils water, which drives a turbine generator. That slow fissile reaction CANNOT EXPLODE. Certainly cannot chain reaction anything. It just gets hot.
The "explosion" at a failed nuclear power plant is from steam pressure buildup. It has nothing to do with nuclear anything, the explosion. The same thing would happen to an earthquake damaged coal fired steam turbine.
[ + ] Prairie
[ - ] Prairie -1 points 7 monthsOct 31, 2024 15:57:53 ago (+0/-1)
There's another connection between the two.
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Full fucking retard.
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[ + ] DitchPig
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Can i please see the mathematics on that.
"...maximum number of fissions in a short time....hurrrrrrr"
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Higher octane fission!
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[ + ] puremadness
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I never saw a single chemtrail (or contrail for that matter).
The very next day after fukushima...
I saw them everywhere, skies that had always been clear, were now full of this.
The first ones I saw were so dense, I literally thought they might be missiles firing.
They were unlike any thing I had ever seen and I am quite worldly.
Now, they are a bit smaller, but commonplace.
Prior to that day,it was just some shit I'd barely heard about.
my theory is something went down in that scenario that we were not made aware of.
[ + ] Crackinjokes
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I am not one of these people that believe that it be widespread chaos after such a exchange in terms of the people. But that depends on where you live. If you live in Chicago well that's a crazy black infested place where they'll kill you now and it's going to be worse after total breakdown of society but if you live in a mostly white area what you'll see is the same kind of cooperation that happens after natural disasters volunteerism people coming together making sure each other get fed and help an old people. You know in Western North Carolina after the hurricane disaster we've seen people come from West Virginia and all around they're rebuilding the roads there doing all this stuff and we've seen that happen time and time again in white areas. So you want to be in white rural areas after something like that because the cooperation will be the best.
[ + ] Spaceman84
[ - ] Spaceman84 0 points 7 monthsOct 31, 2024 18:28:35 ago (+0/-0)
Nuclear bunker busters are another matter and most of the radioactive material would be contained below ground. They penetrate hundreds of feet below ground before detonating and are relatively low yield warheads. Cleanup would be a bitch but they are in no way comparable to dirty nukes.
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[ + ] NoSalvation
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and Farmland too.
Evaporating is the best option
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https://www.greatvaluevacations.com/travel-inspiration/how-switzerland-is-better-prepared-for-the-apocalypse-than-you
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A few nukes will explode. Very little fallout, but they'll claim there is a lot.
Then the government will take control of all food production. Plants, grains, livestock, dairy. All of it falls under government control because the land, water, rain, and air is contaminated. And only the government can say it's safe.
All farm land and equipment is seized because it's contaminated.
The only food production allowed to take place is done by government controlled collective farms.
Anyone trying to grow, sell, or even eat their own food is arrested and poisoned in prison, and their death is blamed on radiation.
Travel restrictions.
If you travel at a time, or through a place they don't want you to, your vehicle is seized (because it's irradiated) and you're imprisoned for spreading radiation. They'll poison and murder you in jail and they'll say you died of radiation.
A town has a bunch of people who think the wrong way - They'll claim the wind or rain irradiated the town, and they lose all of their property. They murder whoever they want to, but they'll blame radiation.
They'll seize whatever property they want. Murder individuals, groups, or entire cities, and blame it on radiation.
They can force an entire city to get radiation treatment. Use that excuse to murder as many people as they want. And then repopulate the city because they say it's now safe.
People will live in constant fear of invisible radiation. At any time the wind blows, or the rain falls, the government can show up and take everything you own, murder you and your family, and blame it on the invisible radiation.
[ + ] glooper
[ - ] glooper 0 points 7 monthsOct 31, 2024 11:49:21 ago (+0/-0)*
Todays nukes are Gamma enhanced Neutron Bombs. (US, Israel, Russia, China, India) Pac and N korea MAY also have these weapons. Its a toss up whether Iran has them. We know now that Iran does in fact have working Atom bombs, thanks to last weeks test.
These bombs have a smaller traditional blast effect, but put out huge amounts of short term radiation that kills all living animals in the blast radious, but does not cause much actual structural damage at all. The bad radiation goes to half life in about 18 months with these weapons. The cities do not get destroyed and you can move right back into them in about 24-36 months (It's the whole point of these type of weapons, so you can reclaim the cities)
Long story short. IF you can survive the first year or so, pretty good chanced you can survive the radiation left over after wards.
The collapse of society, though, is another question all together.
Fun fact: The Russkies and Chinese no longer need to even use these type of weapons. The hypersonics can hit with up to 2 megatons of kinetic force, making a warhead moot at that point. They also both have the conventional Thermobaric warheads that can generate up too at least .50- .75-ish megatones (as we've seen repeatedly used in the Ukraine)
Thats the dirty secret of the elite's who think they can survive in their bunkers.... They actually can wait it out 18 months...
[ + ] TheBigGuyFromQueens
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Get some iodine tablets just in case. They hand those out to people that live near nuclear reactors in case they melt down.
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