There is a myth that Al-Andalusia in Islamic Spain was a golden age where tolerance, multiculturalism, high culture, and affluence flourished. Nothing could be further from the truth. Christians were second class citizens in their own land, jews had privileges Christians did not, and Muslims owned and controlled the land until they were expelled. That is what jews want for Spain, and stupid Spanish leftists are going to let it happen.
- Al-Andalus was progressive by the time's standards, which of course doesn't mean much today. - Christians made up the majority of the population (most didn't even see a single Muslim in their lives) and were left alone as long as they paid Jizya - The status of Jews was complicated just like everywhere else in Europe, sometimes they had slight privileges, sometimes they were discriminated and of course often purged like in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1066_Granada_massacre
Honestly Spain has a lot more to fear from Latino immigrants and collapsing birthrate (1.06 which is the lowest in Europe) than a renewed Moorish invasion.
You confirmed but severely downplayed what I just said, except it wasn't in ANY way progressive. Life was hell for Christians in Islamic Spain. The Jizya was burdensome, Christians were treated like subhuman garbage, and they weren't allowed to construct new churches or repair existing ones. If it was so "progressive", why did Spanish Christians expel muslims, and then later jews? Because they were oppressive parasites. Fuck off with your revisionism.
Honestly Spain has a lot more to fear from Latino immigrants and collapsing birthrate (1.06 which is the lowest in Europe) than a renewed Moorish invasion.
yup what you say its true. the muslim often made alliances with jews because they think that they are monotheists. too bad that they dont read the kabbalah which says that God is a void and that 10 emanations from him called the sephiroth control the universe with metatron (an "angel" oversees this emanations) not only that. according to jews God has a consort called "shekinah" which is, according to them the female part of God.
while in islam "allah" has no partners. idiots
btw, muslims revere jesus as a prophet and their quran says he is even the word of God and yet the jews dont believe in any of those things. then you see the spectacle that a jewess was the one that killed their islamic prophet by slowly poisoning him for almost a month. dude didnt saw that coming and supposedly was a prophet.
Tbh it's hard to know everything about the Jewish religion as it's so convoluted. I doubt early Muslims knew much about their twisted beliefs, hell even today it remains an enigma to all but the most dogged conspiracy theorists.
It's a meme that a Jew killed Muhammad btw, a far-fetched theory made by joining multiple weak hadiths. He had a natural death at an advanced age.
Look at the confidence of this ignoramus! The historians' consensus is that it was remarkably tolerant for its age, which is part of the reason why you hear about this famous state. And why wouldn't it be anyway? It was largely a small Muslim elite ruling over a vast Christian population. It made sense to leave them alone except when extracting tax from them (Christians paid small Jizya while Muslims paid Zakat). Like i said Christians barely interacted with Muslims and for the most part showed no discontent, you can show very few open rebellions by the native population. This is not me defending Muslim invasions in Europe (nor vice versa) but i think Al-Andalus had way more to adore than criticize. Eh, i didn't finish a voluminous book on the history of Al-Andalus just to be lectured about my own history by an American. Only on Voat, ladies and gentlemen!
Most books on the subject were written by either jews or muslims or were in some other way anti-Christian. Oh, and your own history? You have some fucking gall. You admit Spain was a majority White Christian region, and they have their own version of history, and being the oppressed population, they have some definite ideas of why the didn't want to live under islamic rule. If they were so happy, why did they eventually expel the foreign invader?
I read "The history of Al-Andalus" by Ziya Pasha, an old Ottoman historian. I know that you didn't read the book which you just linked though. Also funny how your book was authored by an anti-Islam guy but somehow I'm the biased one.
Al-Andalus was both a Muslim and European history, is it too hard to grasp this? Nor did i say they were happy, just that it was nowhere as bad you claim it to be. Were the Portuguese happy under Spanish rule? No, but they never made a drama out of it like how you do.
Dumb faggot, stop picking fights just because you can. You are like feral dogs barking at everything. "I will smear or exaggerate everything related to Muslims because i hate the fact immigrants have flooded our countries!". Die in your rage. I'm out.
Why are you on this board? The people here are White nationalists and many are Christians. You don't have anything in common with anyone here.
And yes, I'm heavily biased against islam because it's a barbaric religion. I'm not looking for tolerance and understanding. Your fanatical religion conquered a White Christian region and forcibly imposed their religion on the people. I despise islam and muslims. And I fucking hate you. Go away.
However it highlights what cretins today's leftists are - they believe every race, religion, sexuality and creed can live happily together, that the problem is White people.
The problem is White people because they let this shit happen and continue to let it happen. It's no different than blaming the boomers. Regardless, this shit isn't going to go away — and it will only get worse — unless Whites start doing something to reverse the trend.
Like a broken clock, muzzies are right about two things; women and faggots.
Funnier still is the fact this kebab shop owners are not muzzies as in arabs, they are pakis or afghans. Making this hilarity extra rich since most afghans child defiling sodomites
Why? I’m old enough to remember when these disease spreaders used to get the shit knocked out of them on the piers in Manhattan like it was no big deal.
[ + ] Lost_In_The_Thinking
[ - ] Lost_In_The_Thinking 9 points 3 daysApr 27, 2025 08:30:09 ago (+9/-0)
[ + ] Eliack
[ - ] Eliack -4 points 3 daysApr 27, 2025 09:27:22 ago (+1/-5)
- Christians made up the majority of the population (most didn't even see a single Muslim in their lives) and were left alone as long as they paid Jizya
- The status of Jews was complicated just like everywhere else in Europe, sometimes they had slight privileges, sometimes they were discriminated and of course often purged like in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1066_Granada_massacre
Honestly Spain has a lot more to fear from Latino immigrants and collapsing birthrate (1.06 which is the lowest in Europe) than a renewed Moorish invasion.
[ + ] Lost_In_The_Thinking
[ - ] Lost_In_The_Thinking 4 points 3 daysApr 27, 2025 10:29:45 ago (+4/-0)
That is a lie. Fuck off, muslim.
[ + ] dosvydanya_freedomz
[ - ] dosvydanya_freedomz 4 points 3 daysApr 27, 2025 10:38:02 ago (+4/-0)
while in islam "allah" has no partners. idiots
btw, muslims revere jesus as a prophet and their quran says he is even the word of God and yet the jews dont believe in any of those things. then you see the spectacle that a jewess was the one that killed their islamic prophet by slowly poisoning him for almost a month. dude didnt saw that coming and supposedly was a prophet.
[ + ] Eliack
[ - ] Eliack -3 points 3 daysApr 27, 2025 11:12:58 ago (+0/-3)
It's a meme that a Jew killed Muhammad btw, a far-fetched theory made by joining multiple weak hadiths. He had a natural death at an advanced age.
[ + ] Love240
[ - ] Love240 1 point 3 daysApr 27, 2025 16:14:14 ago (+1/-0)
Your satanic lies don't work here.
[ + ] dassar
[ - ] dassar 1 point 3 daysApr 27, 2025 16:23:19 ago (+1/-0)
Piss forever be upon him.
[ + ] Eliack
[ - ] Eliack -2 points 3 daysApr 27, 2025 11:05:02 ago (+0/-2)
Eh, i didn't finish a voluminous book on the history of Al-Andalus just to be lectured about my own history by an American. Only on Voat, ladies and gentlemen!
[ + ] Lost_In_The_Thinking
[ - ] Lost_In_The_Thinking 3 points 3 daysApr 27, 2025 12:12:44 ago (+3/-0)
Which book? I bet it wasn't this one, "The Myth of the Andalusian Paradise: Muslims, Christians, and Jews Under Islamic Rule in Medieval Spain".
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1610170954/?bestFormat=true&k=myth%20of%20andalusian%20paradise&ref_=nb_sb_ss_w_scx-ent-pd-bk-d_de_k0_1_12&crid=36U4QAW88UZSK&sprefix=myth%20of%20anda
Most books on the subject were written by either jews or muslims or were in some other way anti-Christian. Oh, and your own history? You have some fucking gall. You admit Spain was a majority White Christian region, and they have their own version of history, and being the oppressed population, they have some definite ideas of why the didn't want to live under islamic rule. If they were so happy, why did they eventually expel the foreign invader?
So, again, fuck off lying muslim infidel.
[ + ] Eliack
[ - ] Eliack -3 points 3 daysApr 27, 2025 12:53:00 ago (+0/-3)
Al-Andalus was both a Muslim and European history, is it too hard to grasp this? Nor did i say they were happy, just that it was nowhere as bad you claim it to be. Were the Portuguese happy under Spanish rule? No, but they never made a drama out of it like how you do.
Dumb faggot, stop picking fights just because you can. You are like feral dogs barking at everything. "I will smear or exaggerate everything related to Muslims because i hate the fact immigrants have flooded our countries!". Die in your rage. I'm out.
[ + ] Lost_In_The_Thinking
[ - ] Lost_In_The_Thinking 5 points 3 daysApr 27, 2025 13:02:28 ago (+5/-0)
And yes, I'm heavily biased against islam because it's a barbaric religion. I'm not looking for tolerance and understanding. Your fanatical religion conquered a White Christian region and forcibly imposed their religion on the people. I despise islam and muslims. And I fucking hate you. Go away.
[ + ] Eliack
[ - ] Eliack 8 points 3 daysApr 27, 2025 07:57:27 ago (+11/-3)
[ + ] dulcima
[ - ] dulcima [op] 12 points 3 daysApr 27, 2025 09:14:33 ago (+12/-0)
However it highlights what cretins today's leftists are - they believe every race, religion, sexuality and creed can live happily together, that the problem is White people.
[ + ] Consensus_Reality
[ - ] Consensus_Reality 2 points 3 daysApr 27, 2025 11:24:12 ago (+2/-0)
The problem is White people because they let this shit happen and continue to let it happen. It's no different than blaming the boomers. Regardless, this shit isn't going to go away — and it will only get worse — unless Whites start doing something to reverse the trend.
DO SOMETHING!
[ + ] GetFuckedCunt
[ - ] GetFuckedCunt 1 point 3 daysApr 27, 2025 16:08:32 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] RMGoetbbels
[ - ] RMGoetbbels 2 points 3 daysApr 27, 2025 10:41:18 ago (+2/-0)
DISAPPOINTED.
[ + ] Ragnar
[ - ] Ragnar 2 points 3 daysApr 27, 2025 10:36:22 ago (+3/-1)
Funnier still is the fact this kebab shop owners are not muzzies as in arabs, they are pakis or afghans. Making this hilarity extra rich since most afghans child defiling sodomites
[ + ] Love240
[ - ] Love240 1 point 3 daysApr 27, 2025 16:10:57 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] GetFuckedCunt
[ - ] GetFuckedCunt 1 point 3 daysApr 27, 2025 16:09:58 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] dosvydanya_freedomz
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[ + ] Sector2
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[ + ] Lost_In_The_Thinking
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