It's doubtful we could defend our three aircraft carriers in the strait of Hormuz from Iran missiles and would likely lose at least one. That would literally change the perception of power throughout the world when people know their vulnerable. It's the bluff you kind of never want to see called the old illusion of projection of power only works if you think they're impenetrable.
Iran's show of force against the iron dome has shown aircraft carriers are now ancient technology.
In any future long distance war it's long distance missiles that will rule the skies and the battlefield. Even jet fighters almost don't matter.
Israel says they rule the skies over Iran but what I ran is showing is that's old thinking and it no longer matters. They can pop up and fire five or 10 or 20 missiles in 5 minutes from hiding places it doesn't matter if Israel thinks they own Iran skies because I ran can inflict heavy damage on Israel without its guys. It doesn't need aircraft.
And if one of Iran's missiles was able to take out one of the US carriers around the strait of Hormuz then all the carriers in the world going to different ports around the world to threaten other countries would no longer matter because the race to develop similar weapons by every single small country in the world would happen so quickly that they would no longer be threatened by aircraft carriers.
The biggest mistake Trump could make is to put those aircraft carriers in danger because only by them not being in danger is the illusion of projection of power still maintained. Once one is lost the illusion of America's ability to project power is suddenly gone.
[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 13 hoursJun 18, 2025 20:12:34 ago (+1/-0)
Unless you want a war with Iran for Israel and Israel doesn't give a fuck about how the world views America. AND, you have an aircraft carrier with 2 A4W reactors that needs an expensive decommissioning.
Any loss of projected power gets restored by the "shock and awe" campaign that fills the two weeks following Iran getting the blame. It doesn't matter that we will never actually win the war. We've never won the war. At least not in the last 75 years.
Iran wouldn't hit a carrier with a missile because they know we'd immediately go to war with them.
Now ask yourself this question.
Would America, if ordered by israel, sink one of our own ships in a ball of hell fire killing thousands of American sailors just so they could blame it on Iran? You know the answer to that one.
IF the Iranian missiles can be tracked by radar, then they can be taken down via multiple weapons platforms. Multiple missiles and drones were shot down via F-16s, and F-35s when Iran launched that huge 700+ drone/missile attack.
[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 11 hoursJun 18, 2025 21:46:02 ago (+1/-0)*
So, none. Got it. And you're betting that Israel doesn't have one either, right? Gifted by no one. Cause it only takes one, aimed at the USS Nimitz, to justify US boots on the ground, regieme change in Iran, and 5-10 years, $5-10 Trillion, and 20,000 American lives lost to accomplish Israel's intended goals.
[ + ] glooper
[ - ] glooper 0 points 11 hoursJun 18, 2025 22:14:21 ago (+0/-0)
Those are old 3 gen missiles now, but even if they have 1/4 of those as well as whatever they have procured in the last 20 years...well...
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 13 hoursJun 18, 2025 20:12:34 ago (+1/-0)
Any loss of projected power gets restored by the "shock and awe" campaign that fills the two weeks following Iran getting the blame. It doesn't matter that we will never actually win the war. We've never won the war. At least not in the last 75 years.
[ + ] Sleazy
[ - ] Sleazy 1 point 12 hoursJun 18, 2025 20:58:58 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] Puller_of_Noses
[ - ] Puller_of_Noses 1 point 9 hoursJun 19, 2025 00:10:33 ago (+1/-0)
Now ask yourself this question.
Would America, if ordered by israel, sink one of our own ships in a ball of hell fire killing thousands of American sailors just so they could blame it on Iran? You know the answer to that one.
[ + ] KosherHiveKicker
[ - ] KosherHiveKicker 3 points 13 hoursJun 18, 2025 20:00:47 ago (+3/-0)
IF the Iranian missiles can be tracked by radar, then they can be taken down via multiple weapons platforms. Multiple missiles and drones were shot down via F-16s, and F-35s when Iran launched that huge 700+ drone/missile attack.
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 13 hoursJun 18, 2025 20:15:48 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] KosherHiveKicker
[ - ] KosherHiveKicker 1 point 12 hoursJun 18, 2025 21:09:34 ago (+1/-0)
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 11 hoursJun 18, 2025 21:46:51 ago (+1/-0)*
[ + ] KosherHiveKicker
[ - ] KosherHiveKicker 0 points 27 minutesJun 19, 2025 08:56:24 ago (+0/-0)
You know exactly where to fire, and just need to fire into the "pipe".
[ + ] Master_Foo
[ - ] Master_Foo 1 point 12 hoursJun 18, 2025 21:10:11 ago (+2/-1)
Hint, they had one.
Gifted from Russia.
And Iran already blew it's load.
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 1 point 11 hoursJun 18, 2025 21:46:02 ago (+1/-0)*
[ + ] Master_Foo
[ - ] Master_Foo 0 points 11 hoursJun 18, 2025 21:51:18 ago (+0/-0)
Oh, wait. You chose Jesus. The biggest Jew-skank who ever skanked.
The correct answer is "crucify the Jews AND the Iranians".
[ + ] FreeinTX
[ - ] FreeinTX 0 points 11 hoursJun 18, 2025 21:56:23 ago (+0/-0)
[ + ] Crackinjokes
[ - ] Crackinjokes [op] 0 points 2 hoursJun 19, 2025 06:33:26 ago (+0/-0)
And no they weren't gifted.
Iran's been making missiles for ten years knowing this scenario would happen.