The key text is https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths
The author expounds a narrow version of his point, just for subcultures, but it applies to science too. Science in 1900 was gentleman amateur sort of thing. Geeky chaps who wanted to know what was true. But things were already changing. There was money to be made. Chemistry and dyes were big in 1900. Engineering and steel making were getting scientific and profitable. Edison was trying mass produce science at Menlo Park based off money from electricity.
Ordinary people, Members Of the Public = MOPs, notice and get enthusiastic. But there is such a lot of money to be made. Eventually the sociopaths kill the scientists and wear them as skin suits.
So the wikipedia article is of historical interest, capturing the moment when the general public have noticed science and are getting all enthusiastic. But without any sense of the social dynamics. From the social point of view, science is made up of geeky truth-seekers and truth-tellers, because they don't have any power. Give them real power, come back in thirty years time, and ... Whoops! that didn't age well.
Also the wikipedia article focuses on Howard Scott and his particular vision. Fair enough, he founded the movement and gave it some life. But
> Technocracy advocates contended that price system-based forms of government and economy are structurally incapable of effective action, and promoted a society headed by technical experts, which they argued would be more rational and productive.
> At the core of Scott's vision was "an energy theory of value".
that is a particularly retarded version of "lets put engineers and scientists in charge." No wonder it failed.
Turkey has a say because they are a member of NATO.
If I were Swedish, I would try to annoy Turkey, so that they would block Sweden from joining NATO. Later, when the USA tricks NATO into going to war with Russia, the Swedes can stay out of it, saying "we are not members!"
> The fatigue limit or endurance limit is the stress level below which an infinite number of loading cycles can be applied to a material without causing fatigue failure.[1] Some metals such as ferrous alloys and titanium alloys have a distinct limit, whereas others such as aluminium and copper do not and will eventually fail even from small stress amplitudes.
From [wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatigue_limit) but it still might be true :-)
TIL why titanium is a popular choice for building submarines.
Perhaps the essay agrees with Dali's first point, that links cynicism and naivety. But what of Dali's second point? In the essay, cynics play the game of seriousness in order to hide base motives, not madness. And the danger arises from thinking that every-one is like them; discern their base motives and you can strike a deal. Perhaps Dali means something very different?
Are they? The Britbong regime blocks RT so I cannot see the article with the ex-Russian claiming that the Britbong regime blocks RT. Probably just more of Putin's lies.
Depression often involves low mood and disordered thought. A depressed person may think "I'm terrible, I should kill myself", and then fail to get out of bed because they don't see the point.
A more extreme case might involve thinking "Every-thing is terrible, I should kill every-body" coupled with hiding under the bed clothes sobbing.
SSRIs often help with both the low mood and the disordered thinking. Less often, the disordered thinking persists but the drugs cure the "too depressed to act on it".
The core hypothesis is that SSRIs sometimes treat only half of the depression, the good half that stops the person acting on the disordered thoughts. A rival hypothesis is that the SSRIs sometimes create those disordered thoughts, adding them to a simple case of "low mood, give up and do nothing" depression. Both hypotheses should be investigated.
My conspiracy theory is that the Flat Earth stuff is a psyop. The goal is to get us to approve of censorship. Initially just Flat Earth nonsense, but once the precedent is set, it can expand ...
I kept on reading and found a take I hadn't seen before
> I have a quote from Edward Gibbon's Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire that I'd like to leave here:
> In the various states of society, armies are recruited from very different motives. Barbarians are urged by the love of war; the citizens of a free republic may be prompted by a principle of duty; the subjects, or at least the nobles, of a monarchy, are animated by a sentiment of honor; but the timid and luxurious inhabitants of a declining empire must be allured into the service by the hopes of profit, or compelled by the dread of punishment.
The fundamental problem is that nobody is smart enough to sit down and write a manifesto. You need to publish your first draft, get feed back, read responses and counter-manifestos, engage with critics, re-write it, team up, divide it into sections, have team members fall out, split up, start over,...
You might counter that Muhammad wrote a successful manifesto all by himself. Yes, it went viral. No, it was crap. Optimise for virality and you end up with something virulent.
I thought:that cannot be right, [Queen Anne](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne,_Queen_of_Great_Britain) was long ago (1702 to 1714)
Queen Anne style architecture should [look like this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Anne_style_architecture), a dignified, small scale, predecessor to Georgian.
Yet I'm wrong. Time marches on, its eldritch tentacles tearing at Man's sanity to produce [New World Queen Anne Revival architecture](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Queen_Anne_Revival_architecture)
Even under dictatorship and fascism, every-one grows old and dies, so you need a good succession rule. Try [The Rotating Triple Crown](http://alan.sdf-eu.org/rotating-triple-crown.html)
An additional link https://bankunderground.co.uk/2017/08/08/your-country-needs-funds-the-extraordinary-story-of-britains-early-efforts-to-finance-the-first-world-war/
"No one" co-ordinates with "them" and "them" is qualified by "overthrow". It is warning you that no one in the current ruling elite is going to give you the education you need to overthrow the current ruling elite.
I'm warning you that the mass media are owned by the ruling elite. There are (I hope) people out there trying to give you the education you need to overthrow the ruling elite, but the mass media won't mention them. I have to go looking. You have to go looking.
Education is tricky. One idea is that politicians get to write special short manifestos that voters have to learn in order to be permitted to vote. Maybe 600 words in total for all the parties. Each party gets to contribute words in proportion to their share of the vote.
Politicians would love this. They get to cram their manifestos down the throats of voters. Politicians get to say "we are the party of equality and fairness and we will cut taxes on ordinary working people." Voters have to learn that shit. Some of them believe it. It helps the politician win the election. It helps the politician win the *first* election.
The *second* election however,... Ordinary voters were forced to commit the politicians' manifestos to memory. At the next election they can still remember some of it, which promises were kept, which where broken. Whoops! Politicians loved it first time around, now it is a millstone around their necks.
The proposal filters out voters who have gone senile (cannot memorize the manifesto). And it filters out the voters who aren't all that interested, learning the manifestos is enough work to act as a small deterrent.
You should trust exactly one expert: Philip E Tetlock. He is an academic and wrote the book "Expert Political Judgment How Good Is It? How Can We Know?"
> They don’t care about abstract Western ideals of “democracy.” In fact, they do not even grasp these concepts.
Suppose that the article is wrong about that. Does that change the argument?
Taiwanese can look at democracy in America to see what it means in practice. There is an over-extended suffrage. This leads to momentum voting. A momentum voter votes for the same party that his father did and his father before him. It is like supporting a football team, and great for those who control the party; they have a vote block.
Over-extended suffrage also leads to low information voters, voting the way that the mass media tell them too. Indeed, rich people buy up the mass media, precisely to exploit this source of political power.
A Taiwanese policy wonk, dreaming of democracy as the path to implement his high brow policies can look at America to see whether that will work. He sees that in an American style democracy he is ruled indirectly by the rich, issuing orders to the media who manipulate their voters by the stories that they fail to cover. He also sees the momentum voters, who have no interest in his high brow policies.
So a Taiwanese policy wonk who does care about abstract Western ideals of "democracy" can observe their failure. He sees that there is nothing worth fighting for, because he grasps both the concepts and their impracticality.
My browser is out of date and I have a lot of trouble with websites not loading, so I was happy that this one did load, and I didn't expect any trouble sharing the link.
I cannot find any link button, either on the page, or on my browser, to extract the video, sorry.
Being "against" is a trick for creating the illusion of agreement. Mr B condemns Mr A as insane, and Mr C, Mr D, and Mr E agree. Mr A gets booted out. Mr B gets put in charge.
Now Mr B cannot hide behind being "against". He has to reveal what he is "for". Then Mr C says he is nuts, Mr D says he is crazy, and Mr E says he is mad. The illusion of agreement is broken; it was only ever a trick.
Your argument was stronger back in Galileo's day. Back then they didn't know about the diffraction limit. They thought that stars appeared as blobs in their telescopes because they were actually imaging the disks of the stars. Since they "could see the disk" they could make a guess at the distance and calculate that the parallax ought to visible.
Only later would they realize that the stars were point sources as far as their telescopes could tell, and the stars could easily be too far away to see any parallax.
happytoes 2 points 2.0 years ago
Thnak you. This is the first link that worked on my computer.
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happytoes 0 points 2.0 years ago
The key text is https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths
The author expounds a narrow version of his point, just for subcultures, but it applies to science too. Science in 1900 was gentleman amateur sort of thing. Geeky chaps who wanted to know what was true. But things were already changing. There was money to be made. Chemistry and dyes were big in 1900. Engineering and steel making were getting scientific and profitable. Edison was trying mass produce science at Menlo Park based off money from electricity.
Ordinary people, Members Of the Public = MOPs, notice and get enthusiastic. But there is such a lot of money to be made. Eventually the sociopaths kill the scientists and wear them as skin suits.
So the wikipedia article is of historical interest, capturing the moment when the general public have noticed science and are getting all enthusiastic. But without any sense of the social dynamics. From the social point of view, science is made up of geeky truth-seekers and truth-tellers, because they don't have any power. Give them real power, come back in thirty years time, and ... Whoops! that didn't age well.
Also the wikipedia article focuses on Howard Scott and his particular vision. Fair enough, he founded the movement and gave it some life. But
> Technocracy advocates contended that price system-based forms of government and economy are structurally incapable of effective action, and promoted a society headed by technical experts, which they argued would be more rational and productive.
> At the core of Scott's vision was "an energy theory of value".
that is a particularly retarded version of "lets put engineers and scientists in charge." No wonder it failed.
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happytoes 3 points 2.0 years ago
Turkey has a say because they are a member of NATO.
If I were Swedish, I would try to annoy Turkey, so that they would block Sweden from joining NATO. Later, when the USA tricks NATO into going to war with Russia, the Swedes can stay out of it, saying "we are not members!"
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happytoes 0 points 2.0 years ago
> The fatigue limit or endurance limit is the stress level below which an infinite number of loading cycles can be applied to a material without causing fatigue failure.[1] Some metals such as ferrous alloys and titanium alloys have a distinct limit, whereas others such as aluminium and copper do not and will eventually fail even from small stress amplitudes.
From [wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatigue_limit) but it still might be true :-)
TIL why titanium is a popular choice for building submarines.
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happytoes 0 points 2.0 years ago
This reminds me of the essay *Cynicism is dangerously naive*
http://web.archive.org/web/20160312031131/http://www.cawtech.freeserve.co.uk/cynicism.2.html
Perhaps the essay agrees with Dali's first point, that links cynicism and naivety. But what of Dali's second point? In the essay, cynics play the game of seriousness in order to hide base motives, not madness. And the danger arises from thinking that every-one is like them; discern their base motives and you can strike a deal. Perhaps Dali means something very different?
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happytoes 1 point 2 years ago
Even the Asian figure is disturbingly high. Marriage really is being abolished in America.
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happytoes 2 points 2 years ago
That is a really good story. Near future science fiction, responding to the latest technological developments. Excellent!
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happytoes 0 points 2 years ago
Are they? The Britbong regime blocks RT so I cannot see the article with the ex-Russian claiming that the Britbong regime blocks RT. Probably just more of Putin's lies.
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happytoes 3 points 2 years ago
To flesh out the hypothesis:
Depression often involves low mood and disordered thought. A depressed person may think "I'm terrible, I should kill myself", and then fail to get out of bed because they don't see the point.
A more extreme case might involve thinking "Every-thing is terrible, I should kill every-body" coupled with hiding under the bed clothes sobbing.
SSRIs often help with both the low mood and the disordered thinking. Less often, the disordered thinking persists but the drugs cure the "too depressed to act on it".
The core hypothesis is that SSRIs sometimes treat only half of the depression, the good half that stops the person acting on the disordered thoughts. A rival hypothesis is that the SSRIs sometimes create those disordered thoughts, adding them to a simple case of "low mood, give up and do nothing" depression. Both hypotheses should be investigated.
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happytoes 0 points 2.2 years ago
My conspiracy theory is that the Flat Earth stuff is a psyop. The goal is to get us to approve of censorship. Initially just Flat Earth nonsense, but once the precedent is set, it can expand ...
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happytoes 6 points 2.2 years ago
I kept on reading and found a take I hadn't seen before
> I have a quote from Edward Gibbon's Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire that I'd like to leave here:
> In the various states of society, armies are recruited from very different motives. Barbarians are urged by the love of war; the citizens of a free republic may be prompted by a principle of duty; the subjects, or at least the nobles, of a monarchy, are animated by a sentiment of honor; but the timid and luxurious inhabitants of a declining empire must be allured into the service by the hopes of profit, or compelled by the dread of punishment.
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happytoes -2 points 2.2 years ago
The fundamental problem is that nobody is smart enough to sit down and write a manifesto. You need to publish your first draft, get feed back, read responses and counter-manifestos, engage with critics, re-write it, team up, divide it into sections, have team members fall out, split up, start over,...
You might counter that Muhammad wrote a successful manifesto all by himself. Yes, it went viral. No, it was crap. Optimise for virality and you end up with something virulent.
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happytoes 1 point 2.2 years ago
An English translation of Nordau's book is available on Project Gutenberg
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/51161/51161-h/51161-h.htm
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happytoes 1 point 2.2 years ago
I thought:that cannot be right, [Queen Anne](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne,_Queen_of_Great_Britain) was long ago (1702 to 1714)
Queen Anne style architecture should [look like this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Anne_style_architecture), a dignified, small scale, predecessor to Georgian.
Yet I'm wrong. Time marches on, its eldritch tentacles tearing at Man's sanity to produce [New World Queen Anne Revival architecture](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Queen_Anne_Revival_architecture)
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happytoes 4 points 2.3 years ago
Even under dictatorship and fascism, every-one grows old and dies, so you need a good succession rule. Try [The Rotating Triple Crown](http://alan.sdf-eu.org/rotating-triple-crown.html)
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happytoes 2 points 2.3 years ago
An additional link https://bankunderground.co.uk/2017/08/08/your-country-needs-funds-the-extraordinary-story-of-britains-early-efforts-to-finance-the-first-world-war/
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happytoes 0 points 2.3 years ago
"No one" co-ordinates with "them" and "them" is qualified by "overthrow". It is warning you that no one in the current ruling elite is going to give you the education you need to overthrow the current ruling elite.
I'm warning you that the mass media are owned by the ruling elite. There are (I hope) people out there trying to give you the education you need to overthrow the ruling elite, but the mass media won't mention them. I have to go looking. You have to go looking.
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happytoes 0 points 2.3 years ago
Education is tricky. One idea is that politicians get to write special short manifestos that voters have to learn in order to be permitted to vote. Maybe 600 words in total for all the parties. Each party gets to contribute words in proportion to their share of the vote.
Politicians would love this. They get to cram their manifestos down the throats of voters. Politicians get to say "we are the party of equality and fairness and we will cut taxes on ordinary working people." Voters have to learn that shit. Some of them believe it. It helps the politician win the election. It helps the politician win the *first* election.
The *second* election however,... Ordinary voters were forced to commit the politicians' manifestos to memory. At the next election they can still remember some of it, which promises were kept, which where broken. Whoops! Politicians loved it first time around, now it is a millstone around their necks.
The proposal filters out voters who have gone senile (cannot memorize the manifesto). And it filters out the voters who aren't all that interested, learning the manifestos is enough work to act as a small deterrent.
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happytoes 0 points 2.3 years ago
You should trust exactly one expert: Philip E Tetlock. He is an academic and wrote the book "Expert Political Judgment How Good Is It? How Can We Know?"
https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691178288/expert-political-judgment
Princeton University is pretty embarrassed by what Tetlock found and buries it in the last sentence of the above link
> the book explores what constitutes good judgment in predicting future events and looks at why experts are often wrong in their forecasts.
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happytoes 0 points 2.3 years ago
> They don’t care about abstract Western ideals of “democracy.” In fact, they do not even grasp these concepts.
Suppose that the article is wrong about that. Does that change the argument?
Taiwanese can look at democracy in America to see what it means in practice. There is an over-extended suffrage. This leads to momentum voting. A momentum voter votes for the same party that his father did and his father before him. It is like supporting a football team, and great for those who control the party; they have a vote block.
Over-extended suffrage also leads to low information voters, voting the way that the mass media tell them too. Indeed, rich people buy up the mass media, precisely to exploit this source of political power.
A Taiwanese policy wonk, dreaming of democracy as the path to implement his high brow policies can look at America to see whether that will work. He sees that in an American style democracy he is ruled indirectly by the rich, issuing orders to the media who manipulate their voters by the stories that they fail to cover. He also sees the momentum voters, who have no interest in his high brow policies.
So a Taiwanese policy wonk who does care about abstract Western ideals of "democracy" can observe their failure. He sees that there is nothing worth fighting for, because he grasps both the concepts and their impracticality.
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happytoes 0 points 2.3 years ago*
That is a big collection. I looked at Dijkstra's Shortest Path
https://www.cs.usfca.edu/~galles/visualization/Dijkstra.html
I would have had no idea what was going on if I hadn't watched the video first!
The 8-Queens animation is cool https://www.cs.usfca.edu/~galles/visualization/RecQueens.html
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happytoes 0 points 2.4 years ago
My browser is out of date and I have a lot of trouble with websites not loading, so I was happy that this one did load, and I didn't expect any trouble sharing the link.
I cannot find any link button, either on the page, or on my browser, to extract the video, sorry.
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happytoes 1 point 2.4 years ago
It is quite common to start an essay with a joke to introduce the topic. The dog should think of it as being co-opted into a team effort.
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happytoes 0 points 2.4 years ago
Being "against" is a trick for creating the illusion of agreement. Mr B condemns Mr A as insane, and Mr C, Mr D, and Mr E agree. Mr A gets booted out. Mr B gets put in charge.
Now Mr B cannot hide behind being "against". He has to reveal what he is "for". Then Mr C says he is nuts, Mr D says he is crazy, and Mr E says he is mad. The illusion of agreement is broken; it was only ever a trick.
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happytoes 3 points 2.4 years ago
Your argument was stronger back in Galileo's day. Back then they didn't know about the diffraction limit. They thought that stars appeared as blobs in their telescopes because they were actually imaging the disks of the stars. Since they "could see the disk" they could make a guess at the distance and calculate that the parallax ought to visible.
Only later would they realize that the stars were point sources as far as their telescopes could tell, and the stars could easily be too far away to see any parallax.
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